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#681 - trigondarkthree (04/22/2013) [-]
This is simple: One is given to and used by children. One is only used by radically pro gun adults.
#687 to #681 - fordun (04/22/2013) [-]
Or ya know. Law abiding citizens with friends and families they want to protect.
User avatar #697 to #687 - PhuckingPhreak (04/22/2013) [-]
or you know those same law abiding citizens who enjoy to not have thier hobby ****** with
#720 to #697 - fordun (04/22/2013) [-]
Or you know. The same police that found the Boston Bomber. With child killing 30 round mags. Genocide performing barrel shrouds. Grandma life ending folding stocks and opitcal sights.
#703 to #697 - trigondarkthree (04/22/2013) [-]
Now I don't have a very detailed knowledge of guns, but you seem to. I apologize if anything I said sounded ignorant, but exactly what hobby requires a gun like that?
#732 to #703 - justakewldewd (04/22/2013) [-]
Mostly shooting at targets and hunting. Nothing much else.

I'm not much of a gun guy (though if you put a good rifle in my hands I'm not a bad shot within fifty yards) but getting rid of a model of gun seems odd. You can kill unarmed civilians just as easily with a scoped .22 as with a 5.56 (maybe slightly easier with the higher calibers depending on the skill of the shooter) so banning the guns themselves seems strange to me.

Where you need to look at is ammunition and the components needed for making said ammunition, along with ammo containers and methods of quickly loading. Guns don't kill people, loaded guns kill people.
#940 to #732 - trigondarkthree (04/22/2013) [-]
**trigondarkthree agrees**
#731 to #703 - fordun (04/22/2013) [-]
Well then im sorry if what i said was ignorant. Most of those that are against guns are less friendly.

As for hobbys? Hunting, Anything out doors where dangerous 4 legged aggressors might be. Sport shooting like timed shooting, distance shooter, or trap shooting. Military Training simulation.
#941 to #731 - trigondarkthree (04/22/2013) [-]
It's just, I mean. Do you really need a gun like that for deer humting? It looks to me like a semiautomatic.
#1305 to #941 - fordun (04/22/2013) [-]
Deer can be both game and pests. In some parts of the country they walk into neighboring towns and cause trouble. They jump in front of cars. Pick through peoples trash. They cause trouble.

As do feral pigs (Destroy Crops) as well as bears and coyotes.. The population occasionally needs culling to keep it in check. AR-15s with 30 round magazines are great for that. Specifically boar and coyotes.

Coyotes and Feral Pigs often travel in groups. Bear are strong and have been known to take several rounds before falling to the ground sometimes.

My uncle has a camera set up in his hunting area that takes pictures of wildlife that walk buy. He has deer feeders set up. Last time i was there (several years ago) he had a mama bear and her cubs scaring off all the deer.

So naturally since he pays for the property he felt the need to stop this. I don't know what he did but he did say he would half to bring down the bears. And when hunting in general its your life on the line.

The land isn't strictly used for hunting either. They ride ATVs and go fishing. Whenever he is there he makes sure someone has a gun on them in a group of people.

They have seen bear and feral dogs. Feral dogs can be a big safety hazard. As you can imagine they can be just as dangerous as any other big dog.

Poachers can possibly be a problem. In some parts of the country poachers run out with Semi Automatic Silenced .22 rifles because they are small, cheap, easy to use, and quiet. And some of these poachers can be aggressive.

As well as some people that live next to the Mexican border sometimes run into illegal immigrants.

Guns don't have to be used just for hunting. Like i said any manner of outdoors activity like hiking that takes place off the beaten path (Outside of reservations and parks) such as camping, fishing, survival camping, sometimes geocaching, off roading.

All have a use and sometimes a need for a gun to protect themselves against 2 or 4 legged aggressors.
#1307 to #1305 - trigondarkthree (04/23/2013) [-]
Ok in that case it makes perfect sense to own a gun such as that. Maybe I just can't shake the image of guys going into the wilderness and shooting 10 deer for fun. What if they only legalize guns like that in lightly populated areas?
#1313 to #1307 - fordun (04/23/2013) [-]
Well then we get into the area of gun control were it wouldn't matter what we passed because at that point it doesn't effect anything.

If you left these semi automatic rifles with those in rural areas then criminals would just go over to those areas and purchase these rifles. Not to mention these areas do have schools as well. Some places wild life routinely walks on to the school campus.

At my own middle school we saw several turkeys. This is in the New England suburbs by the way. And Deer have been known to maul people to death. They can actually be quite dangerous.

Newtown was a fairly rural area as well. Not to mention shortly after Sandy Hook a man in china killed 22 people with a simple kitchen knife. The Boston Bombings were done with homemade pressure cooker bombs.

In my opinion i would rather be shot then blown up by an IED. Its cleaner. Less chance i lose my legs. If i get shot in the head i would die before i felt the pain. Sad thing to think about.

I mean the Geneva convention bans certain weapons for the use of war. Knifes in WW1 uses triangular blades that left a unclean cut, biological and chemical weapons are banned, exploding bullets are banned. These are banned because they offer painful and inhumane ways to die. Luckily governments and military organizations are usually a lot better at following bans then singular criminals are.

Anti personal mines are banned but they are still being used heavily in the middle east by terrorist groups. These groups have a lot more similarities to street thugs and act like such.

Now "Assault Rifles" are only used in about 1% of gun violence. These mass shootings are the exception to the rule. More people die everyday from cheap 9mm Kel-Tec brand handguns. But we can't ban those or the poor will not be able to afford adequate defense.

What it comes down to is if a ban isn't going to hurt the criminals. It will hurt the civilians.
#1325 to #1313 - trigondarkthree (04/24/2013) [-]
Ok, what about universal background checks?
#1326 to #1325 - fordun (04/24/2013) [-]
We already do that. Thanks to the 1994 Brady Bill which requires all states do at least a quick search for criminal and violent activity on said persons record. Mental Illness is a different story that i am not fully educated on. I will only say that Adam Lanza who shot up Sandy Hook would not have been stopped by further background checks. He stole his guns. And a lot of the "crazies" out there are crazy but have no record of mental illness.

My father knew someone back in the 80s who stole shotguns right out of a sporting goods store. Slung the gun over his shoulder and walked out of the store like he owned it. He did this several times and was not questioned each time.

He also knew a group of people who stole one of there mothers cars (Also in the 80s they were older teenagers) drove it through the front of a sporting goods store (Or broke in some other way, i don't remember) loaded up the trunk with about 30 rifles and shotguns and began to drive away. They were caught driving away.

My father was mixed into the wrong crowd during his early adulthood and saw alot of gangs activity and guns change hands. None of them purchased legally. Some came in from local gun owners. But its also very likely that a lot of firearms come into the country from Mexican Cartels.

At this point i would like to commend you for being so civil. I am normally get shunned pretty quickly by anti-gunners. Whether or not you agree i am glad to see someone is at least willing to consider new information.

The problem is we already do background checks and that wouldn't stop criminals it would only make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
#1333 to #1326 - trigondarkthree (04/25/2013) [-]
However, people can still buy guns over the internet, and even from "friends" in some states. But in all else, it seems that the current system is relatively healthy.
#1334 to #1333 - fordun (04/25/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure you still need all the regular credentials when ordering online. The only actual avoidance is person to person transfer. Which will occur even if we mandated background checks across the board.
User avatar #727 to #703 - PhuckingPhreak (04/22/2013) [-]
alright what hobbies do you have?
User avatar #712 to #703 - TheMacDaddy (04/22/2013) [-]
The hobby that is shooting guns.
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