Righteous Path. Good is its own reward.. LIVE A EDDAD LIFE. INTHERE ARE GODS AND TH ARE JUST, NOT . CA RE H ow DEVO LIT THU A i' titani' mijit. icer-: l YOU BAS quote marcus aurelius outlook worldview

Righteous Path

Righteous Path. Good is its own reward.. LIVE A EDDAD LIFE. INTHERE ARE GODS AND TH ARE JUST, NOT . CA RE H ow DEVO LIT THU A i' titani' mijit. icer-: l YOU BAS

Good is its own reward.

CA RE H ow DEVO LIT THU A i' titani' mijit. icer-: l
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#3 - iamtheblackgoat (04/20/2013) [-]
I wish I was illiterate.

- Nero
User avatar #190 to #114 - atrocitustheking (04/22/2013) [-]
Ah, I have that picture myself. Personal favorite of mine.
#92 - biggrand (04/21/2013) [-]
**biggrand rolled a random image posted in comment #59 at Has science gone too far? **

the real god
User avatar #99 to #92 - codyxvasco (04/21/2013) [-]
This picture made me choke on my own tongue.
#24 - bobebob (04/20/2013) [-]
Great now i have to go watch Gladiator again
i don't care its a god movie
User avatar #32 to #24 - Einsty (04/20/2013) [-]
Any excuse is a good excuse.
That movie is epic.
User avatar #43 to #24 - kjelli (04/21/2013) [-]
"its a god movie"

no, its the godest
User avatar #108 to #24 - studbeefpile (04/21/2013) [-]
"My name is Gluteus Maximus, are you not entertained!"
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#111 to #1 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
Might it be fair to say that to believe in a god that belief must be active. being unsure and calling yourself agnostic is passive. Since it isn't active, you don't believe, so you are an atheist.
#165 to #111 - lolibear (04/21/2013) [-]
Agnosticism isn't being "unsure". People like to use it as a way to avoid the stigma of atheism, but that's not what it means. not believing in something is not the same as atheism. Atheists BELIEVE there is no god. Theists BELIEVE there is a god. Agnostics do not BELIEVE anything. We simply accept that there is a possibility of either, *some are more probable than others of course* and trying to claim you know either is both vain, and ignorant of how learning works.
User avatar #154 to #1 - YllekNayr (04/21/2013) [-]
Being agnostic and atheistic aren't mutually exclusive.
#5 to #1 - anon (04/20/2013) [-]
every body is agnostic, some people believe they have knowledge over the existence or non existence of supernatural beings. but that just sounds silly to me.
#9 to #5 - anon (04/20/2013) [-]
I know what you mean, people who say leprechauns don't exist are silly to me.
User avatar #59 to #5 - zzforrest (04/21/2013) [-]
Actually agnosticism is stating that you are "unsure" of the existence of said supernatural being.
#170 to #59 - lolibear (04/21/2013) [-]
Agnosticism isn't being "unsure". Agnosticism is not believing in anything, neither the existence of a god, nor the absence of one. We can not know, so we don't try to claim we do. Both are possibilities, even if some are more likely than others.
User avatar #2 to #1 - atrocitustheking (04/20/2013) [-]
Perhaps, but I figured some on that board might appreciate it.
#41 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
I have one problem with this. If there are gods, and they are unjust, if you dont worship them, doesnt that pretty much mean you're ****** ?
#104 to #41 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
Pascal's Wager Mofos.
User avatar #44 to #41 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (04/21/2013) [-]
But if you worship them it would be like worshipping douchebags and assholes
Would you do that?
User avatar #46 to #44 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
True. But. But, we are talking about an all powerful being here. Wouldnt it be better to worship a such a being than to not do so and risk damnation or whatever? Its just a problem Ive always had with this quote.
User avatar #50 to #46 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (04/21/2013) [-]
I've already trouble worshipping anything
If I knew the being was unjust, I wouldn't know what would condemn me, so in theory, I would already go to hell or whatever it would be
So why keep worshipping it?
User avatar #51 to #50 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
But wouldnt completely abandoning serving said being be a guarantee of punishment? At least the other way, you might have a chance at escape.
User avatar #52 to #51 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (04/21/2013) [-]
Might have, sounds like some sucky odds
And if the being is unjust, wouldn't it be like a devil or some other kind of evil thing?
And worshipping him would only bring you to a hell-like place?
User avatar #53 to #52 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
Not necessarily. I think the post is hinting at an all powerful universe ruling being, rather than a devil or so. Unjust does not necessarily mean completely evil. And yes, they probably are sucky odds, but a slim chance would be better than none.
User avatar #55 to #53 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (04/21/2013) [-]
But with if the being is unjust, there would also be a chance of it being and evil being
User avatar #56 to #55 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
Quite likely, yes. But even an evil being could reward its followers.
#63 to #56 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
I see your thought pattern but I would like to propose a scenario for you.
There is an unjust god. The god makes contact with you and offers you two choices. Kill your entire family and everyone you know. Or don't.
Killing your family will reward you after your death. Supposedly. If the god actually manages to reward you at all.
Not killing them will result in your hands being tied to you ankles, your body twisted backwards, wrapped around a barrel, and rolled down an endless hill for eternity.
So the god says, at least.
What do you do?

This is the issue with following "unjust" Gods. Do you do what most call immoral things, simly to garner rewards after death. Or do you stick to the moral path and do good things throughout your life in the hopes that by not selecting a single path of the many gods offered to society, if there is a single god or pantheon of gods, it/they is/are truly just and will alow you passage to the supposed better of two afterlives.
If there is no god, then you will die knowing you led a good life and fade into the eternal void. And finally if there is/are unjust god/s then you can face eternal struggle knowing that as far as you are concerned, you led your life the way you saw fit.

I would personally rather be tortured for being a good person, as opposed to hoping I've picked the right path and been a "good little religious boy" according to their arbitrary standards.
User avatar #64 to #63 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
If the god offered me the two choices, and I actually had proof of there being a god, Id probably do what he said.
#65 to #64 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
And if you'd just read it in the most recent book-o-religion you'd picked up?
User avatar #66 to #65 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
Then I would, of course, take it with a grain of salt, as they say. But for the sake of this topic, we are assuming that there is a god and we can know what he wants, correct?
#67 to #66 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
Haha, no. We're talking realisitcly. If there was a real, truly known god and we knew what he wanted we would be little more than puppets on strings doing his bidding, no matter the reason in order to garner favour and win out in the end.
In the real world, you have a different religion in every direction and they all tell you to do different things. Some tell you to do immoral things. Others tell you to do moral things. Although these morals are attributed as similar to the ones we hold to this day.
To the Aztechs, it would have been immoral NOT to sacrafice, you see.
Back on track though. Is it better to wade through all of the religions, pick one, and hope that you have picked the proper one. And given most modern religions, it is a very bad idea to pick the wrong one. False idols and so on. But to pick one and follow all of the rules in hopes that by doing so you will be rewarded upon death.
Or is it better to live a good life.
If you live a good life you'd be satisfied with leaving behind. A truly just god would erward you for your virtues. And if there is no god, you will have merely rewarded youself with the satisfaction of having been a virtuous person.
As the old saying goes. "Virtue is its own reward."
User avatar #45 to #41 - marlkarxthethird (04/21/2013) [-]
But if they are unjust, even if you DO worship them, you may be ****** . That's the point. Worship them or not, they'll do what they will with you, so living your life according to their guidelines is pointless.

Better to live morally without fear of a god or gods than to follow the mad laws of an unjust god.

That's what he's saying.

Well, that's the gist of it. Frankly you could write an essay solely on interpreting this saying.
#80 to #45 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
but if you do worship such "unjust" gods and accept them into your life then why would they hold any grudge against you
let's use christianity for example, God knows we are sinners. and we are but he won't reject us if we hand over our dedication to him through loyalty.
And don't you think that'd be at least granted, given he gave his perfect son for the sins of the World?
I see it as the most noble act a father can do for his people.
User avatar #167 to #80 - marlkarxthethird (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.

The latter half of your argument seems like "You're wrong because Jesus" and I can't accept that as a plausible counter-argument.
User avatar #48 to #45 - teamrocketninja (04/21/2013) [-]
You make a very good point, but wouldnt worshiping or serving this unjust god be better than not? I mean, not doing so is pretty much guaranteed hell, so at least that way you have a chance.
User avatar #60 to #48 - marlkarxthethird (04/21/2013) [-]
That depends. Are you willing to commit atrocities in life just to gain some measure of comfort in an afterlife you don't know exists, all in the name of a god who may not honour his part of the bargain, if he is even real?

A tangent, if you'll allow me one. The Aztecs offered human sacrifices to appease their gods, but according to Christian mythology, they all would have gone to hell (though the righteous would have been saved by Christ in the harrowing, apparently). This raises a number questions: who is right? Who is wrong? Can you live according to both or all religions? If not, do you not risk divine retribution from any of the religions you choose not to follow? Assuming all religions have an afterlife (which they don't), and that all of those afterlives consist of a rewarding part and a punitive part (which they don't), by only following one religion, you risk hell in all of the others.

Marcus Aurelius' philosophy addresses this conundrum. If, rather than choosing to believe in one god or another, you choose to live a moral life, according to your good conscience, you improve your chances significantly. If there is one god or a pantheon of gods and they pass fair judgement, then you will fall in their favour with your acts. If that same god or group of gods does not judge fairly, then your actions will not have mattered in the same way, as their process of judgement may well be arbitrary. If there are no gods, then by living well you have left a good impression on those who met you and have left a better world rather than a worse one for following the ravings of some cult or behaving as a madman or a selfish prick.

In summary, it's not about having a chance. It's about living with yourself knowing that what you believe may well be false and that your deeds may not count toward some judgement toward passing into an afterlife. It's about conducting yourself in a way that a good deity would admire, as would your peers, despite your fate after death..
#61 to #60 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
Thank you for summarising my exact tghought pattern so that I did not have to type it myself. You need more thumbs, here, have mine.
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User avatar #4 - imasillyginger (04/20/2013) [-]
I've always loved this. It was the first quote I ever put on my BaceFook page and I have it on a big poster-board in my room. One thumb
#19 to #4 - bbzz ONLINE (04/20/2013) [-]
**** that person who liked, literally.
User avatar #150 - therealtjthemedic (04/21/2013) [-]
I guess that guy found out, in the end.
#156 to #150 - amadeuseap (04/21/2013) [-]
don't we all?
#159 to #156 - therealtjthemedic (04/21/2013) [-]
dayum bro.
we getting so deep we dank ass **** philosophy
User avatar #47 - fazermint (04/21/2013) [-]
Any religious person who can answer this?:

What does god win by you believing in him? Why does he need you to do that so badly that if you don't, he'll send you to hell?

Aw hell no, this bitch didn't believe in me! To hell with you!... Is god a 5-year old emotional girl?
User avatar #68 to #47 - Ruspanic (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm not religious, but I think I can answer as a Christian might.

Heaven is the domain of God, and was never intended for humans, because after the Garden of Eden fiasco it turned out humans were inherently sinful and impure, and therefore unworthy of Heaven. They would all go to Hell by default.

However, eventually God showed mercy to the humans by sending his son Jesus (a physical incarnation of himself) to Earth in order to die for the sins of us humans, i.e. to suffer the punishment intended for us. This ensured that humans were able to reach Heaven by accepting Jesus' offer to pay for our sins, the sacrifice that he made to save us.
"Choosing" not to accept the Christ as our savior means we will continue on our default path to Hell, which is evidently what we really deserve.

That is the typical Christian perspective as I understand it. Other religions will give different answers.
#71 to #68 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
I think the story of Adam and eve was created to show us our free agency how we can choose to fallow or not. To show us we are not all robots on an Assembly line. Also to show us our mortality.
User avatar #74 to #71 - Ruspanic (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm sure that the story has many morals and implications.
The concept of Original Sin is the most prominent, though - humans are inherently tainted.
User avatar #69 to #68 - trollofhalo (04/21/2013) [-]
Or, you know, he could have traveled 1990 years in the future and took Led Zeppelins idea of a stairway to heaven. But no, he want to do **** the tough way.
User avatar #72 to #47 - jokeface ONLINE (04/21/2013) [-]
He wants us to love Him. Everybody wants to be loved. Even God. And for Him, true love means believing in Him against all odds.
User avatar #126 to #72 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm not sure if I want to take that step.
Can we just be friends?
User avatar #127 to #126 - jokeface ONLINE (04/21/2013) [-]
As long as you believe in Him.
User avatar #130 to #127 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
I don't want him to assume we're in love though.
That might make it awkward when I ask Buddha to the beach.
User avatar #131 to #130 - jokeface ONLINE (04/21/2013) [-]
Jesus is okay with you asking Buddha to the beach as long as you invite Him too. He likes Buddha, but He doesn't trust you alone with him.
User avatar #78 to #47 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
according to theology, the reason we exist is so that we can spend eternity in fellowship with God.

God, however, gave us freewill and let us choose which path to take

personally, I don't think freewill can exist in combination with omniscience, so I find this paradoxical. I'm an agnostic atheist, my father is a protestant pastor, and we've had discussions about this.


User avatar #125 to #78 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
God sounds like a douche then.

I mean, you don't have a child, so that the child dedicates its life to you.
User avatar #174 to #125 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
then you're severely misunderstanding the theological stance.

God doesn't want you to dedicate you to himself, he wants to have fellowship with you and all others who acknowledge him as their creator.
User avatar #179 to #174 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
And why...(when he has given me absolutely no sign of his existence)...would he condemn me for not acknowledging him?

It's like if a girl from across the cafeteria came over and slapped you, saying "I've been checking you out from across the room for weeks! Why haven't you asked me out?"
User avatar #183 to #179 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
because we've all "sinned"

in essence, we all deserve to be in hell, because we're all assholes.
User avatar #184 to #183 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
That's a stupid way to think.
#83 to #47 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
By believing in him he gives the person a spot in his home, Heaven
And yes hell awaits those who do not repent their sins before Judgement day. God is not a 5-year old emotional girl, by the way.
User avatar #123 to #83 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
That isn't an answer to the question.
User avatar #145 to #47 - darknesincontrol (04/21/2013) [-]
Being so powerful as he is, he doesnt gain anything that he cant simply create.
Though you can argue, its was to maintain order, and to keep people from abanddon the religion. (This might be offensive for some, sorry....)
User avatar #58 to #47 - zzforrest (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm not religious but I do know that "universal salvation" a.k.a. "nobody goes to hell" is becoming popular.
User avatar #107 - madcoww (04/21/2013) [-]
I salute you. This is a powerful counter to the fear inducing Pascal's Wager.
#152 to #107 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
Woot! I'm happy to see people on FJ are familiar with Pascal's Wager.
#106 - soggytomatoe (04/21/2013) [-]
His watchful eye shall protect us from all that is evil in this world

He loves everyone and hates no one

His glorius saucy love flows through every one of us

He is you

He is me

He is The Flying Spaghetti Monster
User avatar #117 to #106 - thrashmash (04/21/2013) [-]
May his noodly appendages touch us all.
User avatar #17 - ScottP (04/20/2013) [-]
The guy looks pissed off at something in the sky
#122 to #17 - hudspud (04/21/2013) [-]
I think that's the point.....
#102 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
Marcus Orlyus
#91 - thebilliam (04/21/2013) [-]
One of my favorite quotes.  mfw the first time I read it.
One of my favorite quotes. mfw the first time I read it.
#88 - masterboll (04/21/2013) [-]
>on the atheism channel
User avatar #191 to #88 - atrocitustheking (04/22/2013) [-]
I figured that folks on the atheist channel would appreciate it.
User avatar #119 to #88 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
because it's all about being an atheist...
A good god (if there is one) will accept someone even if they are an atheist...
A bad god (if there is one) should not be worshiped anyway...
And if there is not (if there isn't one) then who gives a flying **** ?

It's all about being an atheist.
User avatar #137 to #119 - darknesincontrol (04/21/2013) [-]
i would say its more like agnostic than athiesm
User avatar #138 to #137 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
It could equally be about both.
#146 to #138 - novus (04/21/2013) [-]
Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. In fact, agnostic atheism is fairly prevalent, it's premise is basically "I'm pretty sure there is no god based on what I've seen, but I have not seen everything". However, the content displays the attributes of the agnostic side, not the atheist side, because it is unsure of the existence of god which is the definition of agnosticism.
User avatar #162 to #146 - lateday (04/21/2013) [-]
Well, technically, agnosticism is the belief that the existence of god or the divine (or anything really) can't be truly known. It is more of a epistemological standpoint than of spirituality.
User avatar #178 to #146 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm not sure the word "if" holds as much meaning as you think.
I can say "If I stabbed everyone in this room" and that does not mean I have any intention to stab everyone in the room.

So, sure, it could be agnostic...but it could also be straight atheist.
#176 to #119 - masterboll (04/21/2013) [-]
an atheist is someone who doesnt believe in god

theres usually a name given to people who understand that if there is a god then we dont know much about god

>It's all about being an atheist.

cant tell if trolling,
or just doesnt know what an atheist is
User avatar #177 to #176 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
No, an atheist can say "If there is one".

An agnostic will say "I"m not sure if there is one or not".
User avatar #180 to #177 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
Just as I can say, "If there were flying tigers, we'd be pretty ****** " but in no way be neutral on the stance of whether there are flying tigers.
User avatar #77 - disturbedfan (04/21/2013) [-]
Ok, I know this not really related to the content directly, but as a Christian I'm really curious for anyone nice enough to answer.

What do atheists think happens to peoples souls or to them in general when they die?

Being that I believe in God (loosely, by traditional Christian definition), I think that good people, regardless of religion, go to Heaven. I'm just curious and have been wondering that for a while. If someone could help me out here, it'd be nice!
User avatar #79 to #77 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
I'm an agnostic atheist, and I honestly don't believe souls, in a theological context, exist.

if "soul" refers to our consciousnesses and self-awareness, well, all of the great apes have that (gorillas, bonobos, chimps, orangutans). I think our inner self is nothing more than the product of electrochemical reactions taking place within our brains, which to me, is more beautiful than the theological answer.

when we die, I assume it's the same as falling asleep, except you never make it to the dream phase.
User avatar #90 to #79 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/21/2013) [-]
I can confirm the existance of souls. They have been my main source of nutrients these last 4000 years.
Very low-carb.
User avatar #93 to #90 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
what do they taste like?
User avatar #94 to #93 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/21/2013) [-]
Ever tasted eel? Very much like that.
User avatar #97 to #94 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
sounds dissatisfying.
User avatar #100 to #97 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/21/2013) [-]
It will increase yourlifespan, and the unholy arcane powers over life and death is also a boon.
Plus, you never get fat off it.
#103 to #100 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
I guess I'll have to try it some time

are humans the only animals with souls?
User avatar #105 to #103 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/21/2013) [-]
No, but I find human souls more filling. Dog make me feel like a blissful idiot while cat makes me feel like the laziest bastard in existance.
Besides, since you can live without one, there are plenty of souls around, and if you find any moral issues with it, join the vegitarian human soul consumers, they only eat swagfag souls.
User avatar #81 to #79 - disturbedfan (04/21/2013) [-]
So.... Eternal darkness? Sorry, just trying to clarify it for myself for I am not a very clever man....
#96 to #81 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
Yah, this seems to be the part where those with even a little belief that there is a soul seem to have a hard time grasping. It's not that athiests believe anything comes after death. They just believe death, is where life ends.
It is like a light bulb burning out. First it is there, electricity arcs through it radiating heat and light. Beautiful and majestic in it's own way. When it burns out. It stops. Everything involving that light, stops. There is nothing more than a body which is left to be disposed of. There is no "after". There is just end.
This does not take away from the majesty that is life for athiests as many of us see it as a "You get one shot, make every minute worth it's while." We do not perform virtuous acts because a text has informed us that the totality of them will be collected and we get an eternity of peace and serenity if we pass some arbitrary mark.
We do virtuous acts because virtuosity is it's own reward.
I know you asked for what an athiest thinks comes after. But I thought I would also address the soon-to-come moral side to the discussion as well.
User avatar #85 to #81 - coolcalx (04/21/2013) [-]
basically. when you're falling asleep, before you hit your REM cycle, there's a period of little consciousness. I would guess dying would be similar to that period.

I recently watched a documentary on Netflix about what happens at the moment of death. it was pretty interesting
#84 to #77 - kellogkiller (04/21/2013) [-]
I think that after you die you will feel nothing because you're dead. Your body has ceased to function and you therefore cannot think, feel or do anything other than decompose.
User avatar #86 to #77 - cantfindausername ONLINE (04/21/2013) [-]
Personally, I don't really believe in souls, unless I eat the right food. I could taste it. Same with the music. When I die, I think what happens to me is what happens to any other living thing: Rot, decompose, and whatnot. Nothing special.
User avatar #87 to #77 - morgothse (04/21/2013) [-]
To my knowledge, many atheists believe that when you're gone, you're gone. Just poof. The other majority believe that there is another "realm" beyond this one, but isn't controlled by a supreme being, and still others think that reincarnation is how things go down.

Now keep in mind that atheism is not a structured faith. Atheism to me is just saying that you choose not to affiliate yourself with a organized religion, and you make your own up as you go along in life.
#101 to #87 - keroberios (04/21/2013) [-]
I respectfully disagree. It seems some time along the way people have started to confuse what Atheism is.
Atheism, by definition;
The theory or belief that God does not exist
You are not Atheist, you are Nonreligious.

User avatar #155 to #101 - RandomAnonGuy (04/21/2013) [-]
I go by the words roots. A-Theism. Lack of theism. I just think it's more useful.
User avatar #164 to #155 - lateday (04/21/2013) [-]
The root would be a-theos. Atheism was derived from atheos. which would mean, vaguely, without god. Godless. not believing in gods.
User avatar #168 to #164 - RandomAnonGuy (04/21/2013) [-]
And theism is derived from theos.
You can't slap a prefix onto a word and say that the modified word came first.
User avatar #171 to #168 - lateday (04/21/2013) [-]
well yeah, atheos comes from the greek word theos which means god. but semantically they are not the same. theos is the noun referring to the divine. a greek word. atheos is just a hypothetical word.. The merging of the negating a- and theos. When modified for english standards it becomes atheism. but etymologically it denies gods, not the concept of religion. That is non-religious. A theist can be non-religious. Like Einstein who was a pantheist.
#188 to #171 - keroberios (04/22/2013) [-]
I do so enjoy intelligent people. Slow clap and a thumb for you good sir.
User avatar #113 to #101 - morgothse (04/21/2013) [-]
I understand the true meaning of the word "Atheism" and I agree with you that at least most americans "misuse" the term. However most people that do use the term atheism as a way to say that they are Non Religious.

Also I never said that I was an atheist or non religious. If I had to describe my beliefs, I would say that the closest approximation would be Spiritual, I wear Tibetan Prayer Beads, but I don't follow buddhism to the letter either.
User avatar #110 to #87 - biomedic (04/21/2013) [-]
No, Atheism means you don't believe in any god whatsoever. With that comes the idea that there is no soul and when you die your body just returns to the earth that created it. Which I suppose is reincarnation in it's own way.
User avatar #115 to #110 - morgothse (04/21/2013) [-]
I never said that atheists believe in a supreme being.
User avatar #89 to #77 - biggrand (04/21/2013) [-]
I dont believe to much in the soul, though science hasnt proven they dont exist either. Honestly I believe that in our final seconds of life we just trip out in what feels like an eternity, The trip I would imagine could be like heaven or hell based on how you died or how much grief or guilt you reflected upon around the time of your death.
#134 to #89 - rotinaj (04/21/2013) [-]
Yeah, I also feel like death could last for an eternity. Time is only a product of consciousness. For example, REM sleep only lasts for a few minutes before waking up, yet it can feel like a hundred years. Some people attribute this to DMT being released in the brain, but there's no actual evidence to support that. Another point where time doesn't matter would be on psychedelics. Trips can take people to a place where time, words, and conscious thoughts don't even exist. It can last multiple eternities when on a regular plane of consciousness, only 10 minutes have passed. The point I'm trying to get at is that everything we know, including time, technically only exists in our own consciousnesses (consciousni?).

I'm not really sure why I'm telling you all of this. Anyways, think about it man.
User avatar #141 to #134 - biggrand (04/21/2013) [-]
time how we perceive it ,I believe, has to do with how large we are, like bugs and tiny specimens for example move very fast, but from there perspective, we probably move very slow. the planets move slowly to us, yet a marble spinning moves fast as **** . Could it be that we are not conscience of our own size in our dreams? And does it matter? Idk tbh, these are just my own ideas, how fast would a sequence of the universe if you were larger then it?
#143 to #141 - rotinaj (04/21/2013) [-]
Yeah, the earth moves very very fast in orbit around the sun. Faster than we can really comprehend going, yet we can't even feel it. I dunno man, philosophy everywhere.
#182 to #77 - KungFuZerO (04/21/2013) [-]
We don't have a soul. It was something created by a church as a representation of a person's true essence. They invented it as a way to make people fear dying a bad person, and then defined good as paying a tithe, among other things.
#95 to #77 - odytoboman (04/21/2013) [-]
I don't believe in souls.   
That said, if consciousnesses is its own unique entity separate from the compound electro-chemical reaction that makes up your memory, thought process, and personafiable existence then I would side with the law of conservation of energy, stating that energy can neither be created or destroyed but moved and changed. Thusly, I would believe in reincarnation before I ever believed in heaven.
I don't believe in souls.

That said, if consciousnesses is its own unique entity separate from the compound electro-chemical reaction that makes up your memory, thought process, and personafiable existence then I would side with the law of conservation of energy, stating that energy can neither be created or destroyed but moved and changed. Thusly, I would believe in reincarnation before I ever believed in heaven.
User avatar #120 to #95 - smittywrbmnjnsn (04/21/2013) [-]
Or just the evaporation of that entity.
Your consciousness just disperses into the atmosphere.
User avatar #112 to #77 - biomedic (04/21/2013) [-]
I don't believe we have a soul. Our consciousness is just a property of our brain and once we die the molecules that made us return to the earth. I think a lot of people need to believe in an afterlife because they can't comprehend total nothingness, but I like to think being dead is how you felt before you were born,
#76 - anon (04/21/2013) [-]
not Atheism because it doesn't attack anything and is not excessively arrogant in tone.
The typical criteria of an FJ atheist post.
#42 - Bloodgartham (04/21/2013) [-]
Why is this in the "atheist" channel? Ugh. This is philosophy from a religious man. Don't label this great man as something he was not.

No I am not religious, neither am I an atheist. I have no label for what i believe. And frankly, I don't need one.
User avatar #98 to #42 - odytoboman (04/21/2013) [-]
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