Nike. .. Just thinking out loud here, but is child labor necessarily bad? I'm not talking about forced labor, just allowing a kid to work at a job to get some spending m
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User avatar #1 - douthit (04/05/2013) [-]
Just thinking out loud here, but is child labor necessarily bad? I'm not talking about forced labor, just allowing a kid to work at a job to get some spending money if they want to. I'm on the fence, but it's taboo and you're not even really allowed to discuss it without having your head bitten off.
User avatar #27 to #1 - localcatbarber (04/06/2013) [-]
It's bad because in those factories in asia, they get almost no payment, they're forced to work there because there are no other jobs to get. The hours are horrible, the working conditions are **** , and I just read an article where a fabric, who I believe made parts for mobile phones, put bars on the windows because so many of their workers were throwing themselves out the window to kill themselves. A lot of those factories make Aperture Laboratories look like working in a quiet library.

Here's a few articles on the subject:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-s weatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9006988/Mass-suicide-protes t-at-Apple-manufacturer-Foxconn-factory.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmD2xPBJ2w (this specifies that Apple uses these factories, but all the major phone companies use them)
#29 to #1 - anon (04/06/2013) [-]
Because they pay people so little that the children in the family have to work as well which is where they get them, they may as well force them, a paper boy would make more in a morning than a kid making shoes over in wherever they may be would make in a year. If the conditions that they worked in weren't so bad, they had to work so long and their pay was so abysmal then there wouldn't be as many issues with it. I say as many because obviously making shoes the children would be surrounded by dangerous and sharp objects.
User avatar #3 to #1 - ScottP (04/05/2013) [-]
But the thing is, they don't get enough money for their work, and they don't get to use that money for leisure. It's often for supporting their family.

Also the machines they use are not designed for little kids so accidents are bound to happen.
User avatar #5 to #1 - allamericandude ONLINE (04/06/2013) [-]
It's considered "bad" because kids typically aren't smart enough to stand up for themselves, leaving them vulnerable to poor treatment from their employers.

The only gripe I have with anti-child-laborists is when they call child labor "slavery". It isn't slavery in any sense of the word. First of all, they aren't being forced to work--unlike slaves. Second, they get paid--unlike slaves. In most of the countries where this is an issue, their economies are such **** that families resort to having their kids work to provide an extra source of income. And the reason they work in factories is because those factories usually pay better than the national average--even if they're only paying them pennies. It's either that, subsistence farming, or living on the streets.

I'm not saying any of this is okay, but you have to understand the issue in the terms of the people being effected. In the Western world, it's easy to criticize sweatshop labor for it's poor working conditions and low wages--but that's only because we have labor laws and minimum wages, both of which are merely luxuries of having such a strong economy. In these poorer countries, low-wage factory jobs are often the best option people have.

Sorry, I realize I've typed way more than you probably wanted. That's just my rant on so-called "slavery" in poor countries.
User avatar #19 to #1 - neoexdeath (04/06/2013) [-]
Its not exactly great for development. Childhood is about exploring and playing, to determine what your skills, strengths, and weaknesses are. It lets you grow and develop has a person, setting off a chain of events that will direct your entire life. Do YOU want that starting with a job at Wal Mart?
#9 to #1 - anomolous (04/06/2013) [-]
yes, nothing wrong with consentual work, so long as it's not dangerous (since young children aren't usually good judges of danger)
User avatar #6 to #1 - falloutfanatic ONLINE (04/06/2013) [-]
Now i actually agree with you, but from a different standpoint. You're thinkin about it, im assuming, in terms of american children working, but im thinking about it in terms of children in developing countries. A lot of these children help support their families by working in these factories, its not much but its enough to afford like a bowl of rice or a some vegetables. These children want to work and help their families and ****** activists in places like the US and other countries are so hyped up on the smell of there own piss that they cant see that they're only trying to make their lives a little less ****** .
#8 to #1 - xtheherox (04/06/2013) [-]
Its usually taboo because child labor is forced and it does not mean getting spending money it means that the family was too poor to support themselves with the wages of the mother and father.
^But thats when its forced and usually in a newly industrial city/ 3rd world country

But In a modern country like the U.S. it probably wouldn't be bad but everyone is scarred from the horrors that it had from the past.
#25 to #1 - anon (04/06/2013) [-]
because often they are exploited
User avatar #30 to #25 - douthit (04/06/2013) [-]
As long as it's voluntary, I don't see how it can be bad. They can always quit.
User avatar #26 to #1 - happypancake (04/06/2013) [-]
Mm, I don't know. I reckon it's healthy for a child to have their childhood to play, learn, discover etc, and that it'd be best for them to start working a summer job or part time job when they reach their teenage years so they can learn the value of a dollar and hard work and all that.
I don't see why a kid shouldn't be allowed to work if they want to, though, given it's safe. Maybe a paper route or helping one of their parents at work, something along those lines.
User avatar #11 to #1 - MysticTomatoe (04/06/2013) [-]
well thats your point there, but I think a kid shouldnt work. Kids should run , have fum, play all day until they go to school.
And what they are doing here isn't child labor, they merely get a few coins so that their families can survive. But if it were, as you say, free-will and get paid fairly, i'd say it could be possible to work something out
#2 to #1 - anon (04/05/2013) [-]
hey man, what's the difference between a kid making shoes(of their own free will) and a kid passing out news papers!?! I don't see any difference if they are doing it of their own free will... I'm for ya!
User avatar #4 to #2 - tealcanaan (04/05/2013) [-]
Ya but in Vietnam their "communist" which pretty much means everyone works for **** while the gov't gets a lot from Nike and others to run their sweat shops.
User avatar #28 to #2 - Shatwan (04/06/2013) [-]
or the mother ****** could go to school and get an education....?
#7 - nickerkid ONLINE (04/06/2013) [-]
just think about this, without that job her family starves
#10 to #7 - anomolous (04/06/2013) [-]
Just think about this, Nike could pay them what they deserve.
It's like, "well, I only feed my dog enough to keep him alive, so he can guard my house."
No. That is wrong. Common sense.
User avatar #12 - nightmarecorpse (04/06/2013) [-]
This isn't uncommon. Don't forget:

McDonalds, Nestle, adidas, American Apperal, Cheveron, Exxon, Gap, Wal-mart, Hanes, Firestone, Disney, Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie and Fitch, Apple, Old Navy, Levi Strauss, Mattel, Speedo, Coca-Cola, Pizza Hut, Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren, Nokia, Reebok, Cadbury's Chocolate, Primark, etc...
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