Only when it's legal. .. 15 and 21?


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#46 - anon (03/22/2013) [-]
I'm 46, and I have a thing for 7 year olds. Let me love.
User avatar #44 - Onemanretardpack (03/22/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure 100% of pedophiles agree with this
User avatar #45 to #44 - ScottP (03/22/2013) [-]
But the picture above the one of the man running from the buffalo implies that the love is mutual whereas pedophilia is not
User avatar #71 to #44 - unikornanarkyh (03/23/2013) [-]
I agree, for I am a moose.
#1 - solarisofcelestia (03/22/2013) [-]
15 and 21?
#239 to #1 - azteh (03/23/2013) [-]
It's legal in Denmark and Sweden. I also think it's legal in Norway, but I'm not sure.
User avatar #317 to #1 - kakariko (03/23/2013) [-]
I remember this man who frequented a cyber I used to go, he was around 23-25 years old and was going out with a 12 years old.
User avatar #24 to #1 - goldenleaf (03/22/2013) [-]
I am so tired of hearing this as if it's a gigantic ******* deal.

In America, it is legal in quite a few states for people over the age of 18 to have sex with people who are at least 16. In florida, when you're 16 you can have sex with anyone up to the age of 24, so she and her boyfriend (if they are 15 and 21,) will pass that age criteria.

And yes I understand that there's a year difference between 15 and 16, but really how much different is it? It's perfectly legal.
#47 to #24 - anon (03/22/2013) [-]
It's less about the legal part of it.
Imagine the different mental states of a 25 year old and a 15 year old.
User avatar #51 to #47 - goldenleaf (03/22/2013) [-]
The law doesn't say that, where are you coming from?
#33 to #24 - akimbobears (03/22/2013) [-]
Enough of a difference to not be legal, it could be the day before their 16th birthday it wouldn't matter. The law doesn't leave it in a grey area.
User avatar #37 to #33 - goldenleaf (03/22/2013) [-]
The law only condemns sex.

They could be in an abstinent relationship up until the day she is 16 and it would still be legal. The main argument is on maturity, and if it's legal when you're 16 to have sex then it shouldn't be condemned to have a relationship up until that point, like it is now. Because there's no difference between 15 and 16.
User avatar #42 to #37 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
Only thing is, not a lot of 15 year olds are mature enough for a relationship
User avatar #50 to #42 - goldenleaf (03/22/2013) [-]
That is a generalization and cannot be applied to everyone.
User avatar #52 to #50 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
I agree, which is why I said "not a lot" and not "no one"
User avatar #55 to #52 - goldenleaf (03/23/2013) [-]
But then you can't really use that in an argument...

If the law says that a 16 year old is mature enough to be in a relationship with someone who's up to the age of 24, is there any difference made by a year?
User avatar #56 to #55 - finni (03/23/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how the law works. It's the same as learning to drive and being allowed to buy beer. It's the year that counts because then the government is sure that most people are mature enough.
User avatar #57 to #56 - goldenleaf (03/23/2013) [-]
You have a good point.

#61 to #1 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
Perfectly a-ok in sweden
User avatar #10 to #1 - commanderbunbun ONLINE (03/22/2013) [-]
it all depends if it really is true love or just an erection that won't go away
User avatar #14 to #1 - Cookiez (03/22/2013) [-]
Legal in sweden
#22 to #14 - anon (03/22/2013) [-]
i dont get this. 15 year olds are no where near mature enough for real relationships, at least here in america they aren't.
#288 to #22 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
LOL, in Sweden we mature faster.
User avatar #40 to #22 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
You can't judge all 15 year olds on what you read from facebook. Some are actually mature enough for a relationship, but they're sadly not many of them.

However, when thinking about making laws for these kind of things, it's more important to look at the big picture instead of just a few individuals, sadly for them.

All I'm saying is that not all 15 year olds are yolo fags.
User avatar #87 to #1 - gayboard (03/23/2013) [-]
I honestly don't see what's so bad about it, it's only 6 years apart.

My parents are ten years apart.
User avatar #2 to #1 - thepunchedface (03/22/2013) [-]
Still better than 6 and 53
#4 to #2 - solarisofcelestia (03/22/2013) [-]
User avatar #86 to #4 - kyfvini (03/23/2013) [-]
Talking about women, someone told me a sentence... I use it everyday since that day. I will let it here, it has to be remembered.

"In war, every hole is a trench."

Use it well.
User avatar #5 to #4 - thepunchedface (03/22/2013) [-]
I'm guessing you've never went wild during the LimeWire years, huh?
#11 to #5 - kweel (03/22/2013) [-]
Hah, Limewire. Wanted to show my mom a song a donwloaded once before opening it myself.
I think you understand what happened
User avatar #12 to #11 - thepunchedface (03/22/2013) [-]
How ****** up would it be if you saw CP and it's apparently your dad molesting a 3 year old you
#13 to #12 - kweel (03/22/2013) [-]
Oh god, I'd fap to that
User avatar #6 to #5 - solarisofcelestia (03/22/2013) [-]
I'm afraid to ask, but.... What does that mean exactly?
#8 to #6 - thepunchedface (03/22/2013) [-]
>be 13   
>use limewire   
>"i think ill download a music video"   
>download vid   
>dad on 9 year old action   
>couple years later   
>look for some random/funny images   
>pthc r@ygold 9yo.jpeg   
>i wonder what's...   
I then lost all perception and understanding of taboos and cultural norms
>be 13
>use limewire
>"i think ill download a music video"
>download vid
>dad on 9 year old action
>couple years later
>look for some random/funny images
>pthc r@ygold 9yo.jpeg
>i wonder what's...

I then lost all perception and understanding of taboos and cultural norms
User avatar #20 to #9 - landartheconqueror (03/22/2013) [-]
you really like that picture, don't you?
User avatar #140 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
I agree with everything except the age thing. How the **** does a 15 year old know what love is?
User avatar #295 to #140 - firstresponder (03/23/2013) [-]
my cousin met a boy when she was 13 (they were the same age). Today they're happily married with 3 kids and they're coming up on their 12 year anniversary.
User avatar #327 to #295 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
Congratulations! :) Wish them the best of luck!
User avatar #353 to #327 - tippidyt (03/23/2013) [-]
Nice response. Thumbs up!
#156 to #140 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
I completely agree. The amount of maturity between a 15 and a 21 year old is quite different. A 15 year old is still going through vital parts of puberty, while a 21 year old is pretty much done with it. A 15 year old with a 21 year old is just wrong in my eyes. It's different from... let's say... a 35 year old with a 41 year old, because you're done developing and are much closer in terms of maturity.
#171 to #156 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
what of these kids who go to college when there still young teens? they lack mental capacity? you cannot assume ALL 15yo's are the same. I'm 21 dating a 15 RIGHT NOW. and I personally don't give a **** what you people think about it.
#174 to #171 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
They may not lack mental capacity, they could be geniuses, but the fact of the matter is that they're brains are still developing and they need a lot of guidance. They're hormones are going crazy working to develop them into mature people, but until then they don't have the ability to make completely wise decisions for themselves with out the help of their family and close friends. They are more likely to make more severe mistakes if they take on tasks by themselves. And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be commenting.
User avatar #173 to #171 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
We don't really don't give a damn do what ever you like we don't give a **** about your life. Sorry but its true move on if you don't like what you hear.
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User avatar #176 to #162 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
so what your saying is that a 12 year old knows as much as you do from experiences, heart ache, and other pains from life to build her character and still acts like an adult without being somewhat scarred or damaged? The girl must be very VERY rare or your ************ .
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#187 to #180 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
Let me ask you, how old are you?
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#199 to #196 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
1. It matters because for all I know, you could be a 13 or 14 year old commenting on stuff they don't know about.
2. You're talking about a person almost half your age being as mature as you. I suggest taking some classes on human development.
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#203 to #201 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
That's fine. But please try not to confuse people into believing that a 12 year old is as mature as any adult. Because frankly, they aren't.
User avatar #183 to #180 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
There's no limit to maturity. It just progresses as you get older you don't hit it at all its all based on what you experience or see others experience you do "hit maturity" like you hit puberty.
User avatar #184 to #183 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
excuse me *don't
#168 to #162 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
No, I don't assume anything. These are facts that I have learned in my several developmental classes. There are several universal traits that go along with the development as kids age. And in these studies many factors are looked at. Kids at that age tend to act as they believe their peers want them to act, especially older peers because they try to emulate them to impress them.
User avatar #160 to #156 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
Exactly! You can develop a whole bunch between a small time gap of only a few years. I'm only 17 and I'm positive that I changed and view things from a different perspective from two years for better and some for worse. People have this kinda generic over rated personal view that "love conquers all" and that "well if a 21 year old and a 27 year old hook up I see no difference" when in fact there is a huge difference and a major factor of that is that they are both adults.
#166 to #160 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
Well, I'm 23 now... I'm an old man. And there are people I know of who have dated young girls... ******* disgusting, it's like they don't understand that they are just kids and they may be like "I'm mature for my age" **** you, you're not. If you can't see that you still have developing to do then you're not mature at all. I've taken several development classes for my major and the physical, mental, and emotional development that occurs between 15 and the 20's is very different. Kids at 15 don't see the dangers and consequences of their actions and are more likely to participate in dangerous activities. There's also the amount of experiences in life that is very different. 15 year olds are still quite sheltered by their families and by society, where as 21 year olds have seen and done more in their lives. One of my friends is 22, and he's dating a 17 year old. He was pissed because her guardian didn't allow him to see her and take her out during certain times in the week because he had gotten her in past her curfew. I simply told him, that's what you ******* get when you date a kid, you shouldn't expect them to be as free as you because they simply aren't.
User avatar #172 to #166 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
Pfft 23 and you call yourself old? (I consider 60 old and from 40-50 middle aged) HA! xD I understand. I kinda feel like these teens are being taken advantaged of more than being loved. Had bunch of friends date 27-28 year olds at 14-15 and come crying to me saying they got used. Uh...DUH! what? you expected it to work out? He's twice your age and you barely even know yourself yet let alone another being. Yeah people do say sometimes say that I'm mature for my age at rare occasions, but I have a looooooooooooong way before I can consider myself wise and mature like some adults and my elders. That sheltered bit is so true as well but other than being in my house I can either go to parties( I hate crowds, dancing, drinking, pot, you get what I mean for kids who do It fine just be safe) or go to a friends house once in a while. I just don't see the point of growing up. I don't know maybe because they feel more "mature" when they date this older guys or have sex and party. Here's a hint: theres more to being an adult than just sex, drugs, and alchohol and there's a little thing called responsibility and maturity. Maybe you should own up to some and grow the **** up and stop being ******* liars to yourselves.
#177 to #172 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
Lol I sort of use it as a joke. A week or so ago, I stayed at my friends place. He has a little sister who is 12, sweet thing always trying to impress. It's easy to forget how young they are because they put up such a front, but they make silly mistakes, say inappropriate things, thinking it makes them seem bigger and tougher and more like us, when it has the opposite effect, she talks about things going on in school, stupid things with friends, because at that stage of the early teens the most important thing in their life is their social life and how others view them. I tell her that things like that won't matter in a few years, it makes me feel terribly old when I realize I'm more than twice her age and she seems to be growing so quickly. She has a crush on me, and I explain to her that when she's older she'll understand why that sort of relationship wouldn't be right because she has so much learning to do. She tells me one of her friends are bi-sexual. Me and her brother sort of laugh at it because we know kids are just trying to find and define themselves so quickly they put these labels that they don't really understand. She gets pissed thinking we are making fun of gay people, I remember doing the same at her age when I had a friend I had found out was gay. Anyway, this was a little story that I thought was appropriate for this conversation. You seem like a smart kid, don't do things that you think will change who you are. All the sex and drugs and drinking isn't as great as it seems, in fact, it's pretty boring. Well... except sex, but make sure it's with the right person, that's when it's great, otherwise it's pretty God Awful. Never lose your childhood, it's what makes the world fun, if you lose your inner child you basically lose your will to live.
User avatar #182 to #177 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
Aw thanks I appreciate it. Yeah it just seems like kids are in such a rush and it feels that you need to keep up or get left behind and be alone. I prefer to be alone anyways so no biggy ^_^
#185 to #182 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
Yeah, labels and dating seems to be much more important much earlier on than when I was a kid. That **** usually didn't happen until I was in highschool, of course I was terrible at keeping up with the fads, but it didn't really effect me. I see the most popular girl from my highschool a lot at my college, working at the campus fast food joints and stuff. It's like, she was at such a high level before, but now that we are in college we're at the same level. No one really cares about me, and no one cares about her. That's the thing about college, there's really no popularity contest going on because so many students are transferring in and out there's not social hierarchy like in highschool. No one cares. Everything that happened as a kid seems so silly now.
User avatar #189 to #185 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
I'm just hoping as I grow up, people will finally see that themselves. Lol I was the same way, well, I just didn't care and still don't. Just want to be on my way and enjoy the fun things on it.
#190 to #189 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
They will. They'll laugh about all the stupid things they did as kids and see how pointless it was. Out of curiosity, how old are you?
User avatar #192 to #190 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
17 member? :D
#194 to #192 - curbed (03/23/2013) [-]
Oh yeah, all that **** will end soon enough. A bit past them being in college, because when they are first there they do stupid **** because mommy and daddy aren't there to stop them, then, they'll calm the **** down and act more like adults, especially when they see that their actions are causing their grades to drop. <.< Of course people will always do stupid **** , it just lessens a bit as they grown older and acquire new responsibilities.
User avatar #198 to #194 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
What a relief I just want some more people to relate to that aren't complete jackasses or assholes -_- Of course stupidity always exist and I'm not gonna pretend I'm Mr.perfect either. I do my fair share of stupid stuff but you can only take so much before face palming yourself to a bloody mutilated pulp. Ah well Thank you for that glimmer of hope I appreciate it alot! :P
#23 - threadcreator (03/22/2013) [-]
Im sure the third is statutory rape
21yo's fw.
#252 to #23 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
stop ******* me*
#251 to #23 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
just you try to stop ******* me
#84 to #23 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
nowadays it is, but 100+ years almost every married couple consisted of this, normally i would post this on my account, but for some reason my big black daddy decided to ban someone with no posting history, for posting porn outside ****
User avatar #80 - danniegurl (03/23/2013) [-]
i'm 17 and i wouldn't date a 15 yo
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User avatar #112 to #111 - danniegurl (03/23/2013) [-]
for me it's not a sex issue, it's a maturity issue.
plus, i would feel weird dating a sophomore (or possibly freshmen) when i'm a senior.
i'm also going to be 18 in a month, so that would be even worse.
#83 to #80 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
#93 to #83 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
I'm 18 and I wouldn't go any younger than 17. Too risky
#99 to #93 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
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User avatar #139 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
Yogurt slinger licker.
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Peter pecker.
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Rectum licker.
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User avatar #131 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
Rubber baby buggy bumpers.
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Suck your mother's vaginal bloody mucus-filled vaginal discharge.
User avatar #129 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
I think someone needs a hug.
User avatar #128 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
Suck mah ca-hawk.
User avatar #127 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
What's the matter?
User avatar #126 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]
Didn't get enough semen today?
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Someone missed his cock sucking this morning.
#124 to #99 - Schwarzenegger (03/23/2013) [-]

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This is for all you cocksucking mucus-encrusted vaginal juice licking dicksucks that gave me a red thumb storm
#67 - kingofhazard (03/23/2013) [-]
15 21 relationship is ok? Why didn't anyone tell me this before? Time to go 			****		 me some kids.
15 21 relationship is ok? Why didn't anyone tell me this before? Time to go **** me some kids.
User avatar #70 to #67 - Nihatclodra (03/23/2013) [-]
15 and 21? HELL NO! 15 and 20 is perfectly fine though.

Lol, Canadian marriage laws.
User avatar #82 to #70 - therobawesome (03/23/2013) [-]
I thought 15 was only two years ahead, and 16 went up to 5 years. It's a weird as hell law anyway.
User avatar #210 to #82 - Nihatclodra (03/23/2013) [-]
16 is the age of consent (open to anyone), 14-15 is a 5 year age-difference, 12-13 is a 2 year age-difference.
#313 - fatspartan (03/23/2013) [-]
mfw 15-21
mfw 15-21
User avatar #191 - nucularwar (03/23/2013) [-]
Two men, two women, two people of different religious beliefs have the same potential level of emotional maturity. 15 year olds can't be trusted to make good decisions.
#202 to #191 - asderition (03/23/2013) [-]
Some can, depends on the upbringing. And also the gender. Women mature faster than guys, 3 years by debate. 18 year olds make pretty dumb decisions though too...
#209 to #202 - bronywhat (03/23/2013) [-]
The girls in my high school just slept with whatever guy bought them more weed.
#215 to #202 - makethingsworse (03/23/2013) [-]
>girls mature faster than guys

HAHAHA! HAHA! HA! That is some funny **** right there!
User avatar #204 to #202 - talosknight (03/23/2013) [-]
While you are right about the maturity, that is more physical. I've known girls to date older men "because he buys me stuff." That was super common in high school. In reality, I see it as a lot of guys just using a lot of these girls as poor cum dumpsters.

In conclusion, maturity, either mental or physical, does not account for young naïvety.
#206 to #204 - asderition (03/23/2013) [-]
I dated a younger girl, it was aight, but kinda awkward because everyone judged. Honestly, age is one of those, either you care or not, type of things.
#222 to #206 - urbemarmis (03/23/2013) [-]
the lowest i dated down was 14 years old when i was 16. (2 years difference) and i still noticed a different level of maturity with her. she was still going thru the "i want my life to be a soap opera" phase so shed start **** just to argue and be able to say those dumb ass things that you hear on tv. i **** you not she actually said "this constant arguing is tearing us apart" once while we were arguing over the phone. i laughed hung up and 4 hours later she called back saying sorry. there is a huge maturity gap that i just dont see anyone wanting to deal with
User avatar #214 to #206 - Katzie (03/23/2013) [-]
I used to know a nineteen year old dating a fourteen year old.
I have a list of people I would fight on the spot if I ever saw them,
He is the list.
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#320 - soggytomatoe (03/23/2013) [-]
"Love is love"

Nahh I'm pretty sure that's rape
User avatar #141 - guymandude (03/23/2013) [-]
This message brought to you by NAMBLA
User avatar #223 to #141 - hideyowives (03/23/2013) [-]
what the **** did i just look up , i need to ******* kill something .....good thing the new gears of war fufils my chainsaw fantasies
User avatar #186 to #141 - nebuchadnezzaurus (03/23/2013) [-]
That NAMBLA ******** is really getting me aggravated. I feel like it should be a bad joke, but it isn't. Freedom of speech does have its downsides...
User avatar #188 to #186 - guymandude (03/23/2013) [-]
Westboro Baptist, KKK rallies given police protection, etc...
definitely agree with you there my friend.
User avatar #164 to #141 - OoJesusoO (03/23/2013) [-]
OMFG that was the first though I had while reading this you earn my love
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User avatar #200 to #195 - guymandude (03/23/2013) [-]
South Park made fun of it years ago, everyone had a good laugh, and then we all realized that they actually exist. That was a bad day.
User avatar #110 - slendercam (03/23/2013) [-]
What the hell does a 21 year old boy want with a 15 year old girl? She cant even legally drink or smoke... hell, in California she cant even drive legally. What nonsexual thing could they possibly do together? Or talk about with each other? Is he going to go to the mall with her and her high school friends? Is she going to hang out with him in his college dorm room while his friends are sitting there like "dude, she's a ******* child, what the hell is wrong with you?"
I really don't get this. And I'm willing to bet that that picture was made by a 14 year old girl or something.
#315 to #110 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
Going to the movies, going out to dinner, attending concerts/sporting events, playing video games, watching television, going bike riding, playing sports. These are all activities two people can do nonsexually. There are many more as well.
User avatar #311 - theangryrussian (03/23/2013) [-]
Pretty sure the 3rd one is statuatory rape.
#318 to #311 - jaemspls (03/23/2013) [-]
Basically this
#332 to #311 - whatwhen (03/23/2013) [-]
**whatwhen rolled a random image posted in comment #18 at The Batface ** not here, here legal age is 14
User avatar #350 to #332 - theangryrussian (03/23/2013) [-]
you live in the Vatican?
#351 to #350 - whatwhen (03/23/2013) [-]
**whatwhen rolled a random image posted in comment #1292706 at Friendly ** nope
**whatwhen rolled a random image posted in comment #1292706 at Friendly ** nope
#34 - vegetatheprince (03/22/2013) [-]

That's *********** .
#312 to #34 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
As long as they abstain from sexual relations until the girl's body is developed enough to properly handle sexual activity, it should be fine.
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User avatar #314 - shinigamigod (03/23/2013) [-]
This was very obviously made by someone in the 3rd ones situation trying to convince people what they're doing is fine.
#305 - haseotakaeda (03/23/2013) [-]
If love isn't about age then how come the FBI comes knocking when I try to hit on that 7 year old down the street?
User avatar #142 to #123 - vortexrain (03/23/2013) [-]
If it weren't for laws, it wouldn't be statutory rape. There is no difference between an 18 year old and a 16 year old. I think the age of sexual consent should be either 15 or 16.
User avatar #150 to #142 - lolifan (03/23/2013) [-]
Bro bro bro.... look at my name. What do you think I want the age of consent to be at?
#155 to #150 - vortexrain (03/23/2013) [-]
I like you.
#159 to #155 - lolifan (03/23/2013) [-]
Feeling is mutual
Feeling is mutual
#170 to #123 - anon (03/23/2013) [-]
Technically, that's only if they have sex. They might have agreed to wait 3 years. Or however many years depending on where the person who made the picture lives.
#254 - sweetellie (03/23/2013) [-]
Statutory rape much..

Statutory rape much..
User avatar #260 to #254 - logicstrike (03/23/2013) [-]
if you really wanted to be picky you could say in some countries it wouldn't be but that is a bit of a slippery defense.
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