Steubenville Rape Case Guilty Verdict. . 0000 tnmt/ tmie TO BE it Sth mm mu . mait. am HEB. i believe you should be held responsible for your actions while drunk, but this girl was unconscious, these kids are full-blown rapists and more of them should
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User avatar #47 - cleverguy (03/20/2013) [-]
i believe you should be held responsible for your actions while drunk, but this girl was unconscious, these kids are full-blown rapists and more of them should have been sentenced
User avatar #53 to #47 - ninjastarthrow ONLINE (03/20/2013) [-]
I totally agree. I think she should get in trouble for underage drinking but those kids are rapists now.
User avatar #57 to #47 - ldial (03/20/2013) [-]
They should have went to actual adult prison and she would get at least 5 yrs. probation. as well as the owners of the home that the party happened at.
#64 - sakuranbokiss (03/20/2013) [-]
The media is saying things like "Their lives are ruined forever because they were sentenced!! These poor boys!" I say they ruined their own lives. You don't rape an unconscious girl at a party, take pictures of it and pass it down to your buddies. Yeah, they were underaged drinking but you should never do that to another person. Just because a girl gets drunk doesn't mean she's asking to be raped. Your parents and town shouldn't cover it up because of your athletic record. To the person who made this post I salute you.
User avatar #29 - YippieKiYay (03/20/2013) [-]
I thought this was a good article about it: ville-20130318-2gaxy.html

They acted like complete dickheads and now they're going to face the consequences of it. Maybe next time they'll think twice.
#6 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
If we had a few exceedingly gruesome public executions this kind of **** wouldn't happen anymore.
#10 to #6 - willysbilly (03/20/2013) [-]
That's why we know rape was never a problem in the middle ages when such gruesome murders were commonplace. Nope, never an issue
#5 - stuownsu (03/20/2013) [-]
dumb kids. Shouldn't have taken pics. Would have walked away no jail time
#1 - fizzor (03/19/2013) [-]
Justice has been served.
Justice has been served.
User avatar #3 to #1 - ScottP (03/19/2013) [-]
Not justice. Justice is nonexistent.
#7 to #3 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
here comes some hippie fag, go live in ******* Afghanistan if your so pissed off with the western world
#12 to #7 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
yeah because bitches should be able to get drunk as **** and regret later sex decisions
User avatar #23 to #12 - roflsaucer (03/20/2013) [-]
What do you mean "regret sex decisions"?

She was so entirely unconscious she couldn't MAKE decision. How can she regret a decision she didn't make?
User avatar #70 to #7 - ScottP (03/20/2013) [-]
I never said I was pissed off at the western world.

I merely stated the truth.
Take, for example, someone killing another man. It is called murder. That person who was murdered was someone's son or daughter. The murderer is killed. There is no sense of "justice" in that. All you have is another dead body, and the world isn't any better off.
#2 to #1 - John Cena (03/19/2013) [-]
Except they're only going to prison for like 2 years.
User avatar #8 to #2 - awesomesaucy (03/20/2013) [-]
in Canada the maximum sentence for a sex offender is 7 years per offense. Seeing as how girls have to deal with that **** for a lifetime its not enough. especially since they get their own special sex offender unit. There isn't really justice in that kind of **** . it sucks.
User avatar #24 to #2 - roflsaucer (03/20/2013) [-]
But they're also going to have this on their record for the rest of their lives.

Whenever they go for a job interview, they're going to show up as a sex offender and they're could-be employer will immediately know they raped a girl earlier in their lives.
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User avatar #14 - solareyes (03/20/2013) [-]
Never knew about this case. Looked it up. HFS that poor girl!
User avatar #27 to #14 - DrBobsPatient (03/20/2013) [-]
User avatar #69 to #50 - DrBobsPatient (03/20/2013) [-]
can you tell me more about it? all i can find is that it was two football players raped a drunk girl, and CNN made it more public than necessary.
#72 to #69 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
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That's what I can find. Apparently, this girl passed out at a party, and these guys removed her (physically carried her away) and had sex with her unconscious body. They filmed it, put it on youtube, and tweeted about it. Then, because they happened to be star football players, whoever found out about it chose to cover it up.

There's been a lot of outcry because the media has been saying something along the lines of "It's so sad that these boys' lives are ruined, they'll be sex offenders forever!" Most of us disagree. Most of us think these boys are sex offenders, and should be registered as such. Most of us don't give a **** about how hard their life is gonna be, because it pales in comparison to what they did to this girl.
User avatar #75 to #72 - DrBobsPatient (03/20/2013) [-]
thanks for summarizing
User avatar #74 to #72 - DrBobsPatient (03/20/2013) [-]
well, they are stupid though... i mean, who the **** uploads that stuff to the net... and tweets about it...
#11 - blahmuffin (03/20/2013) [-]
Your use of this meme is bad. And you should feel bad.
User avatar #52 - ninjastarthrow ONLINE (03/20/2013) [-]
Man this is ******** , those kids should be going to jail for rape and they all should be feeling the heat for underage drinking. If I was that girls father sure I'd be pissed that those assholes raped her while she was passed out but I'd still be pissed at her for drinking at 16. I wouldn't let her off the hook. She would be punished after those boys were dealt with. I think it's total horse **** that she's getting called a slut and a whore and getting death threats for something she didn't have a lot of control over. Sure she shouldn't have been drinking, but at the same time those boys shouldn't have raped her. Why is she the whore? Why aren't they rapists? It's not like they were drugged and forced to rape her. They all should get ****** by the long dick of the law. Those boys and the girl. She shouldn't have been drinking and they shouldn't have taken advantage of her like that. What is wrong with our society? Why didn't someone stop it and take her home? Honestly I would have...
User avatar #55 to #52 - snipys (03/20/2013) [-]
I would thumb you up, but I think I am thumbbanned for some reason.
#61 to #52 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
You would give your daughter, who had just gotten gangraped, heat for underage drinking.


are you... emotionally broken or something? incapable of compassion?

can you not get kids ever, please?
User avatar #77 to #61 - ninjastarthrow ONLINE (03/20/2013) [-]
Well one I'd like to know that "Rly?" means. Second it's how my father would have done things.
User avatar #4 - captainobvios (03/19/2013) [-]
More like Stupidville

im sorry
User avatar #41 - cheeselol (03/20/2013) [-]
the cnn petition is such a joke.

they didnt lie or do anything wrong, all they did was sympathize that the two boys lives were ruined. this is a fair point as they are.

yet everyone gets all pissy about it that they *gasp* had another opinion on it in the country of free speech, then everyone is up in arms demanding an apology which gets 175k signatures.

then it comes to something important and its a whole other story.

thumb me down all you want.
#43 to #41 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
I know what you mean. When I was 17 I killed a few people and I swear to you that to this day people still call me a murderer. Gosh, I mean it was just this one mistake I made when I was young.
User avatar #44 to #43 - cheeselol (03/20/2013) [-]
i know what you mean. when i was 17 i was homeless and stole a few loaves of bread to survive and went to prison. to this day people still call me a thief. Gosh, i mean it was just this one mistake i made when i was young.

see how talking out of context and using sarcastic statements that arent comparable gets us nowhere?
#49 to #44 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
There are no exigent circumstances that excuse rape.
User avatar #68 to #49 - cheeselol (03/20/2013) [-]
This is what im talking about, at no point did i say they should be excused or that rape is good, people are two blind to be morally right that they just attack anything counteracting the 'general' opinion. i merely remarked upon the fact that CNN didnt do anything wrong in showing the slightest bit of empathy, 3 people have ruined lives, the girl and the 2 convicted. the two convicted brought it on themselves, but it doesn't mean that their lives aren't ruined.
#73 to #68 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
"when i was 17 i was homeless and stole a few loaves of bread to survive and went to prison"

You were trying to get us to admit (internally, or externally) that crime is not universally wrong, and that the law sometimes doesn't see the whole picture. In your mind, that doubt will cause us to reevaluate what we feel is going on.

The problem is that there is no situation in which rape is excusable (like stealing bread when you're homeless, Aladdin).

What we're pissed off about is not a dispassionate assertion that these boys are ****** . They are ****** , and we're glad about it. We're pissed off that the media sympathized with them and painted it as if it was unfair that their life was ruined. It characterizes what they did as youthful indiscretion, rather than the highly illegal and damaging thing that it was. It's wrong to downplay the vile actions of these boys, and that's what we're upset about.
User avatar #76 to #73 - cheeselol (03/20/2013) [-]
why does everyone take that out of context?

that was not a point at all of us trying to admit that crime isnt universally wrong, it was me showing the person above that comparing incomparable situations isnt an argument.


My argument was that its retarded that people will become so bloodthirsty and passionate about their personal morals that they fail to see anything contradicting them, even when its for something bigger than there own values.

While you have shown me why everyone is so upset about it, you're effectively silencing free speech once you complain that a few people on a news station didnt have the same opinion as yours.
#80 to #76 - frankiethekneeman (03/21/2013) [-]
Everyone is not taking it out of context. The problem you have is that I'm applying the context of this conversation to that statement, which I feel is only fair. If that's not what you meant, then you should work on message delivery.

And yes, people do get passionate about their morals - that's what makes them morals. So in some ways your argument is accurate (Just look at the right wing over gay rights, or the 99% movement on wealth distribution). However, it doesn't apply in this situation for a litany of reasons.

First, this isn't a case of people's differing morals affecting only themselves. We don't live in a vacuum, and a good and conscious person ought to think about what they say before they say it. This girl has been getting death threats from relatives of the boys who raped her, alleging that it is her fault that these boys' lives are ruined. Centering the national conversation on how tragic it is that these boys ruined their own lives rather than on how tragic what happened to the victim is dangerous. At the very least, it gives these people delivering death threats the feeling that maybe, just maybe, they're right. At the very worst, it threatens to degrade the way we as a nation see rape legislation - possibly causing us to reconsider the mandatory sex offender registration, or placing more lenient penalties in place. Just look at Treyvon Martin. The center of conversation in that case was Florida's "Stand Your Ground" laws. Now they're being reviewed in the whole country.

Second, and perhaps more importantly - it's not silencing free speech. They're legally entitled to say what they want about the case. We're legally entitled to feel that what they said was poorly phrased and ask for an apology. Whether they choose to give that apology, or people like you choose to defend them on the internet, is irrelevant. It is perhaps the greatest triumph of free speech that we've the right to tell our media that they're wrong, and we deserve an apology.
User avatar #65 to #44 - Thehappyemu (03/20/2013) [-]
So, by that logic, I needed some pussy, so it's okay to rape someone? Comparing rape and theft are like apples and oranges.
Those boys lives aren't ruined, no one ruined their lives. They were idiots who decided to **** up their own lives, they don't deserve sympathy. Yes, it's a country of free speech, but it's also a country with laws, and in my own personal opinion, rape is unforgivable, no punishment is enough. Having their lives ruined is the best thing that could've happened to them if you ask me.
User avatar #67 to #65 - cheeselol (03/20/2013) [-]
you dont seem to get the point, 'by that logic', i was merely repeating what the anon said, i agree, apples and oranges.

it not an argument about rape, its about ignorance.

they did **** up there lives, thats a given, all CNN was show the slightest bit of empathy for them and everyone acts like they just said hitler did nothing wrong.

again, its more the idea that 100,000+ people will sign a petition asking for a petty apology immediately after the event, rather than signing one the will for example, help our environmental wellbeing in the long run meaning we dont kill ourselves.

#13 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
As far as I can tell from what i've been able to find on the internet, and correct me if I'm wrong, she was drunk and they had sex with her; I didn't read any reports of physical force, or the use of drugs with the intention to get her to the point where she didn't know what she was doing. If that were to happen to a male, no one would care, even if it costed him his relationship, or in a case of older people his marriage home and kids. She made the decision to get drunk when she was sober knowing it may impair her judgement, therefore she should be responsible for her actions, the same way a sober person may know better than to drive drunk, but if he gets drunk and kills someone, he is responsible. If having sex with a drunk girl (that consents it at the time) is considered rape because she didn't know what she was doing or was impaired, then drunk drivers should not be held responsible for their actions because they were also impaired and unable to make the right decision
#17 to #13 - hillbillypowpow (03/20/2013) [-]
she was completely passed out.
User avatar #21 to #13 - roflsaucer (03/20/2013) [-]
Sure, she is at fault for being drunk.
But let's say, there was a bank, and for whatever reason, the security is off and there's no one there to stop you. And you take all the money.
Would "No one told me not to!" be a reasonable excuse? At the end of the day, you STILL robbed the bank.
In this case, let's assume she wasn't drugged, and just simply passed out from drinking. Does that mean it's OKAY? To take off her clothes, to take pictures, sexually assault and rape her? To call her a slut and tell her it's HER fault she's a victim?

I bet you agree with CNN's coverage too? How these poor boys had their lives meaninglessly ruined? How they had such a bright future? Well, maybe they did, but they sure did **** it up. There's something terribly WRONG with society when it's okay to take advantage of someone who can't even defend themselves.
#16 to #13 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
Legally you can't give consent if you have drugs and/or alcohol in your system. You also have to be, you know, conscious and able to say "Yes, let's **** . That'd be awesome." Which she wasn't. No consent=rape. The end.
#18 to #16 - SimianLich (03/20/2013) [-]
Thats ******** . Stop making excuses for loose women.
User avatar #22 to #18 - roflsaucer (03/20/2013) [-]
How in God's name is that ******** ? She literally could NOT do anything to say no or to deny them. **** , one of her ex boyfriend's Tweeted something along the lines of "Nobody messes with Cody Saltskins" or something like that. They did all kinds of terrible things to her. How does this make her a "loose woman"?
#25 to #22 - SimianLich (03/20/2013) [-]
Got one!
User avatar #19 to #13 - sweetsighlullaby (03/20/2013) [-]
There is also evidence that she was drugged and one of the boys had an email saying the drugged her. She might have drank, but she was unwillingly intoxicated and, in Ohio, that is an offence punishable by law. She could not say yes of her own volition so it is a rape, though I doubt she would have said yes to being dragged around and ****** by multiple guys while they took pictures and sent them to their buddies in any case.
User avatar #20 to #13 - sweetsighlullaby (03/20/2013) [-]
I completely agree that, if under the influence a girl has sex and, later regretting it, calls rape it is wrong. I also agree that a women who is inebriated of her own choice, that is lured into bed with a man, should not be able to say it's rape with the singular only statement of, "I didn't say yes". However, in this circumstance, "Jane Doe" wasn't being a "loose woman". She didn't lead these boys on or get so hog drunk that she crawled into bed with them. Her intoxication was out of her control because she was slipped drugs. At that point she had no chance of saying no. Those boys took away her chance to say no and that is why this is considered a rape case.
User avatar #28 to #13 - imonamouse (03/20/2013) [-]
regardless of force or not, IF IT'S NOT CONSENSUAL, THEN IT'S RAPE
i never understood why so many people don't get this
#15 to #13 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
She's been threatened by so many people and it doesn't seem like people care about her. There's plenty of stuff about "the poor guys they had such a good start!" seriously that's pathetic
#30 to #13 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
She wasn't just drunk, she was unconscious.

She shouldn't have gotten that drunk. That was her choice and we all know that if we let ourselves get out of control then things might happen that we don't like. But I'm sure if you got drunk and were raped you wouldn't think it was your responsibility.

The thing about this argument that blows my mind is that it acts as though drunkenness= rape. The reality is drunkenness=vulnerability. But those boys chose to rape her. The weren't inanimate objects acting according to the laws of nature. Just because she made a bad decision doesn't mean they should get less punishment for the bad decision they made.

An example situation:

A man is driving a car 10+ miles over the spend limit. Another man is driving drunk. The drunk man causes an accident with, and paralyzes the speeding man. No one would say the speeding man deserved to be paralyzed because he was speeding.
#34 to #30 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
original anon: I actually asked my mom about the case, because she keeps up with things like this and i didn't quite know the details, but she explained that she was unconscious, and what had happened, and there was no consent in it. I was unaware of that, when i googled it (under the news section) it basically only said they were all drunk and the people were convicted. the rest of what i found was other people harassing her8. I was under the impression, from lack of knowledge on the subject, they were drunk and just had sex with her (consensually at the time, which she later regretted sober) , so I apologize for having an "it was her fault for getting drunk" attitude towards it. What they did was terrible, and not her fault.
#51 to #34 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
Reason, and contrition on the internet - from an anonymous poster no less.  Thank you for giving me hope.
Reason, and contrition on the internet - from an anonymous poster no less. Thank you for giving me hope.
#35 - verycoolcat (03/20/2013) [-]
Theres numerous stories of women sleeping with men then turning around later and saying they raped em.
#38 to #36 - verycoolcat (03/20/2013) [-]
Just google is, theres tons of stories.
User avatar #45 to #35 - cleverguy (03/20/2013) [-]
this is not one of them
User avatar #56 to #35 - fappingniggers ONLINE (03/20/2013) [-]
Women claiming rape isn't the issue here. The issue is multiple teenage boys took advantage of a girl that was unconscious. Yes, she did drink, but I doubt she was planning on passing out and getting violated.

The boys dragged her around to different parties, raping her at each one, and also in the car while going to these parties. They assumed she was dead, left her stranded, and even mocked her in a twelve minute video they recorded RIGHT AFTER they had brutally violated her. These boys should have gotten a worse punishment, because they got off fairly easy for what they have done.
#42 - LewdFlapjack (03/20/2013) [-]
I don't buy into the "too drunk to say no" bit. Don't get that drunk then. My friend got drunk, fell off a roof and broke his arm, did he blame the friend he was walking home with? No, he blamed his own stupid ass. Take some accountability for your actions.

*not necesarily talking about the steubenville trial, i dont know the specifics, but i heard it was filmed. i'm just talking about the defense in general*
#63 to #42 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
From what I've read she was drugged, it was premeditated because she had broken up with one of the football players
#48 to #42 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
Dude, I agree with what you're saying in principal, but it's pretty insensitive to bring it up in this context. She wasn't "too drunk to say no" she was "too unconscious to say anything at all." They literally carried her out of that party to rape her, then the town covered it up because the guys were on the football team. Now people are talking about how those boys' lives are ruined forever, as if by some youthful indiscretion like shoplifting.

Those boys raped that girl - the poor thing is probably going through an unbelievable amount of trauma. Do you think she'll ever be able to trust anyone again? Do you think she'll be able to function normally in large social situations? I hope so, but it seems so unlikely. The media's portrayal of the course of events has been shallow at best, and dangerously misogynist.

Now's not the time for us to talk about the finer points of Rape legislation. Now is the time for us to come together as a community and let this girl know that she did nothing wrong. This is not her fault. The boys that perpetrated this against her were morally bankrupt individuals who are getting off light being tried as minors. She has not robbed them of their future, they have robbed her of her innocence. And we, as a society must not tolerate it.
User avatar #54 to #48 - ninjastarthrow ONLINE (03/20/2013) [-]
Nonono I think she should know that she is in the wrong for something. She's 16 and drinking. I think what she really needs to know is that those boys were the ones who did wrong. But I also think she should still get punished for underage drinking. But those boys are rapists now.
#71 to #54 - frankiethekneeman (03/20/2013) [-]
You don't think what happened to her was punishment enough? I doubt she'll be drinking again any time soon.
#82 to #71 - LewdFlapjack (03/21/2013) [-]
yeah, considering the actual facts of the trial, i'd say the police should forego the whole underage ticket deal.

#81 to #48 - LewdFlapjack (03/21/2013) [-]
I admitted i didn't know much about the context. I'm just stating in general. I haven't been really following the case, but I'm just sick of hearing about it. If she was drugged and raped, which is apparently what happened, I'm sure she doesn't relish this publicity.

That being said, from what i heard, she had to be carried out. I've only been that drunk once in my life, and i remember NONE of it. I'd bet everything i own that a decent percentage of those drunken "too drunk to say no" women don't remember what actually happened and to avoid embarrassment claimed rape.

Again, I'm not specifically talking about this case here, just in general. My initial post seems that it did not get out the message I had intended.
User avatar #31 - narutohaukea (03/20/2013) [-]
ok yes i know that the girl was drunk and unconscious and i do believe the guys are getting whats coming to them but i really hope someone gives, all the kids involved, **** for drinking in the first place. i mean yeah it is some what her fault cause if she wasn't drinking in the first place then that wouldn't of happened.
#58 to #31 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
"its somewhat her fault for drinking"

so basicly, go through life not drinking or, you know, expect to have been raped next time you do. This really is a point of view that comes from alot of life experience.

You sir, are an idiot.
User avatar #62 to #58 - ienjoyrofling (03/20/2013) [-]
Or except for the part drinking doesn't imply getting so drunk you can barely comprehend what's going on around you. Besides, the rate of girls getting 'raped' to girls that don't get raped when they get black-out drunk are pretty skewed to the latter. So frankly, if she was just really drunk, then it's not rape with consent. BUT, because she was UNCONCIOUS, then it is indeed rape, and they deserve to be charged.
User avatar #78 to #58 - narutohaukea (03/21/2013) [-]
i never said dont go through life not drinking but how bout not drinking till your the legal age? that sound good enough for you? and the guy who responded to you earlier was right she didn't have to drink so much that she passed out.
#33 to #31 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
So, the next time I see a drunk girl I can just rape her because "she's asking for it"?
You're an idiot.
User avatar #40 to #33 - Kazseppi (03/20/2013) [-]
when did he say that?
User avatar #79 to #33 - narutohaukea (03/21/2013) [-]
your all ignoring the fact that if she wasn't drinking while she WAS UNDERAGE this wouldn't of happened
#60 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
Seeing how ignorant most comments on all rape related content is, i really wish feminism was more alive today.
but just felt the need to share this: Rapists should be disarmed :)
#37 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
Truth be told, I waiting for the other charges to set it, like underage drinking for the girl and the other people at the party. Then watch the rage people do like "She was raped! She doesn't deserve those charges."
#32 - John Cena (03/20/2013) [-]
the misuse of this meme sickens me
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