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juicymucus (02/24/2013) [+] (52 replies)
MFW music piracy. Hope you guys know that, aside from the obvious corporate bands, real bands arent a bunch of millionaires. They actually have to depend on people BUYING their CDs/Vinyls/etc to make a living. MP3s help but not nearly as much.
Look into some of your favorite bands, if theyre not some greedy corporate group making music strictly for fame/money I garuntee you they struggle with music piracy. Bash me all you want and try to justify your pirating ways but this is fact.
Look into some of your favorite bands, if theyre not some greedy corporate group making music strictly for fame/money I garuntee you they struggle with music piracy. Bash me all you want and try to justify your pirating ways but this is fact.
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allwinterswhite (02/25/2013) [-] This is mainly applicable to the metal scenes and most underground alt/punk and indie. When it comes down too it I've seen up close bands get ripped off by venues and people pirate their music, struggle because to even tour it costs money coming from their own pocket. I've seen this happen from little alt punk boy bands jamming in their garage to well known black metal bands that roam Canada and have a name for themselves.
In a way, however, you gotta learn some to know some, and in the end if it was really meant to be, you'll come out on top just fine. Even then, it's not easy to keep up with it. To be famous is a lot of work, to be popular is a lot of work. You can't just walk up onto a stage and play a couple songs off your discography, locally or nationally known, and walk away with money in your pocket to blow at the bar with your mates.
In all and all, it's mostly the underground that hurts over this. It's usually only the musicians and true fans that actually care and understand this, making it easier half of the time to point out who the posers are, if you love something, you put yourself into it. Not that I'm saying people who can't afford to buy discography's or merch complete posers, they're not. I can image they go to shows and show support. Even that alone, not just the money, helps push bands along far in the long run whether you know it or not.
In a way, however, you gotta learn some to know some, and in the end if it was really meant to be, you'll come out on top just fine. Even then, it's not easy to keep up with it. To be famous is a lot of work, to be popular is a lot of work. You can't just walk up onto a stage and play a couple songs off your discography, locally or nationally known, and walk away with money in your pocket to blow at the bar with your mates.
In all and all, it's mostly the underground that hurts over this. It's usually only the musicians and true fans that actually care and understand this, making it easier half of the time to point out who the posers are, if you love something, you put yourself into it. Not that I'm saying people who can't afford to buy discography's or merch complete posers, they're not. I can image they go to shows and show support. Even that alone, not just the money, helps push bands along far in the long run whether you know it or not.
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birdofprey (02/25/2013) [-] I'm not for or against piracy of any kind, but I'm just gonna leave this here.
Just enlarge if you can't read it.
Just enlarge if you can't read it.
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memeinmycoffee (02/25/2013) [-] As someone who makes music as a solo artist and with a band, it's much more important to me to have people listen to my music, not to make money off of it.
I put my music on Soundcloud because I want people to listen to it and I don't care if I make money off of it.
I put my music on Soundcloud because I want people to listen to it and I don't care if I make money off of it.
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radamski (02/24/2013) [-] I try to support my favorite bands to keep them making the music I love. Be that buying merch, going to shows, CDs and the like.
People don't seem to realise that piracy really is going to be the downfall of the music industry. It would be amazing for bands to sell 1 million records like they used to, now 100k is the target to hit.
Now you'll see bands moving to kickstarter programms to help with the production costs, mainly because they aren't getting enough money from the labels to make records, and it's sad.
People don't seem to realise that piracy really is going to be the downfall of the music industry. It would be amazing for bands to sell 1 million records like they used to, now 100k is the target to hit.
Now you'll see bands moving to kickstarter programms to help with the production costs, mainly because they aren't getting enough money from the labels to make records, and it's sad.
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siridontcare (02/25/2013) [-] .....Indie people are more so pro pirate. They say it spreads their music around and when people become a fan they buy out of respect and so in the long run indie get more people buying. Atleast this is the logic explained to me by music people I follow. Even mojang has responded to tweets that say "I really wanna play your game but have no money" "Just pirate it"
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sketchE ONLINE (02/24/2013) [-] fact musicians make more for shows than they will for cds. for instance the rolling stones did a tour recently and made seven million a show. you probably dont remember the time when people would hand out their cds so that people could hear their music and would want to come to shows. its still done today over the web. reverb nation is just one site where artists hand out their music to gain attention
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sketchE ONLINE (02/25/2013) [-] *do you
and yes touring is expensive but you make a lot more doing it. on top of that the artist gets paid a higher percent of the money from tours, besides the artist shouldnt be in it for the money. he should enjoy performing and touring. cant get a big venue? get a smaller local one. if your good enough itll probably be pure profit for you since a good band showing up to a local place brings tons of attention to the local place
and yes touring is expensive but you make a lot more doing it. on top of that the artist gets paid a higher percent of the money from tours, besides the artist shouldnt be in it for the money. he should enjoy performing and touring. cant get a big venue? get a smaller local one. if your good enough itll probably be pure profit for you since a good band showing up to a local place brings tons of attention to the local place
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anonexplains (02/25/2013) [-]
The only time i but music is when its in person from the band where i know they are getting 100% of the profits also people need to make sure when they are buying merchandise they are buying it off of the bands personal site and not the labels to maximize how much of the money is getting back to the band to make sure they can continue to tour.
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thatmetalguy (02/25/2013) [-] What if he's not a concerned music fan, but really a big time musician who just wants to make us feel bad and stop pirating?
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anonexplains (02/25/2013) [-]
I think people really misjudge how much a simple $1.29 can actually be for the musician. Millions of people think the same exact way and yes they only get a small portion of that money, but think of it if those millions actually bought the song instead of pirate it. That would be a nice chunk of cash going to the musicians, but a lot of people have the same mentality you have which causes a lot of these musicians to not get that much in the end aside from touring.
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jesusnipple (02/25/2013) [-] It helps expand your listening and most albums have 12 or more, if not then you're getting ripped off or the songs are extremely long. Buying one song doesn't make too much sense, if you get the whole album you get to listen to more of that artist's songs rather than just one over and over and over again
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basicargentinian (02/25/2013) [-] That still doesn't change the price of the song, which not everybody can afford, specially given the piracy option.
I do believe that when MegaBox (Kim dotcom's new project) gets going this might be fixed by cuttung the label as an intermediary.
I do believe that when MegaBox (Kim dotcom's new project) gets going this might be fixed by cuttung the label as an intermediary.
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amsel (02/25/2013) [-] At a time with the cost of producing music was high, this was a good argument. Nowadays, would-be starving musicians should have a ******* job. You can buy yourself some pretty decent recording equipment for under 1000 bucks total (for a high quality USB interface, microphone, cables, and software). Plus, with today's visual editing GUIs, editing is a breeze. And distribution costs are literally non-existant when sold over the internet. Making music has become a hobby, not a profession. In my opinion, all musicians should give up trying to sell music over the internet and should make their money off of concerts, merchandise, and or having a real job.
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CXJokerXD (02/25/2013) [-] Well actually, bands make most of their money nowadays from touring rather then album sales. But yeah if you take away the tours, sponsors, and all of the other free **** they get on the side for being famous then yeah, i would imagine that royalties in albums and such would mean a whole lot.
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juicymucus (02/25/2013) [-] I make a post about how I feel about piracy, leave for a few hours and return to a top 80 comment and a comment war.
People, Im just saying if you truly like a band support them, dont steal from them. I have favorite bands that suffer from this and have had to delay putting albums out for years because of it. Most the musicians I like dont make music for cash/fame they do it to make good music but thats a costly thing to do.
The few bucks a band makes when you buy their music puts them that much closer to being able to release new music, theyre probably not using it to buy a mansion or some **** .
Also someone mentioned this applies mostly to metal/punk/alt bands and yeah that is mostly where Im coming from but Im sure even mainstream rock bands experience the same thing. Just wanted to clarify my statement as I seem to have frazzled you all.
People, Im just saying if you truly like a band support them, dont steal from them. I have favorite bands that suffer from this and have had to delay putting albums out for years because of it. Most the musicians I like dont make music for cash/fame they do it to make good music but thats a costly thing to do.
The few bucks a band makes when you buy their music puts them that much closer to being able to release new music, theyre probably not using it to buy a mansion or some **** .
Also someone mentioned this applies mostly to metal/punk/alt bands and yeah that is mostly where Im coming from but Im sure even mainstream rock bands experience the same thing. Just wanted to clarify my statement as I seem to have frazzled you all.
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pokemonstheshiz (02/25/2013) [-] Things like this make me glad I listen to edm. A lot of people put their stuff out for free, or sell on bandcamp so you can donate if you like them but you're not deprived of their music if you have no money like I do. I'd imagine it's much more difficult for metal/punk/alt because high quality recording is costly, so I feel their pain there
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zombiemanic (02/25/2013) [+] (6 replies)
step 1) get liquidized blu tack
step 2) learn magic to spawn records
step 3) get a bowl of tomato sauce and pour all of blu tack and magical record
step 4) have a tomato sauce record
step 2) learn magic to spawn records
step 3) get a bowl of tomato sauce and pour all of blu tack and magical record
step 4) have a tomato sauce record
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anonexplains (02/24/2013) [+] (1 reply)
Double-cassette audio decks made it all the more easier to illegally copy music. Even waiting for a favorite song to come on the radio and hitting RECORD was frowned upon by label companies.
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felixjarl ONLINE (02/24/2013) [+] (9 replies)
To me this is more than a simple wax form, to me this is a testimony that shows that humans will no mater what always come up with a way to cheat the big money greedy businesses.
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threescore (02/24/2013) [-] Yes, you are correct. I want to see what would happen if no one in the world payed for music ever again and didn't pirate it either. I wonder what would happen if music disappeared from all of our lives... well at least those that can hear.
