yup. while god's making the crops grow, or having a butterfly land on a retarded boy's head, making him feel special and alive...he's letting you get at a camp.


yup. while god's making the crops grow, or having a butterfly land on a retarded boy's head, making him feel special and alive...he's letting you get at a camp.

while god's making the crops grow, or having a butterfly land on a retarded boy's head, making him feel special and alive...he's letting you get ********** at a camp.

mars atrii' _ t: tii: a, between me and mum and.
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#94 - auraguardian (02/18/2013) [-]
i prevented a rape the other day

by staying indoors.
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User avatar #10 - guitarguise (02/18/2013) [-]
I'm an atheist, but this kind of argument isn't very strong.

If there is a God of the biblical story, then he gave free will for a reason. He gave choice. And Satan gave Eve the fruit of knowledge, allowing mankind to make evil choices.

I recall discussing with a Christian, and he said: "Avoiding sin isn't about God versus Satan; no, God could smite Satan with a breath. It's about each person versus Satan. It's about each individual overcoming evil."

I just thought that it was an interesting and rather deep explanation.
User avatar #92 to #10 - KellyisAwesome (02/18/2013) [-]
I like that very much, I'm gonna talk about that way of seeing it with my boyfriend. I'm an agnostic, but he's a christian (actually aspiring to be a priest), and we talk about god and stuff all the time.
#530 to #10 - wantabeer (02/19/2013) [-]
I like the way your friend explained that.
User avatar #552 to #10 - CXJokerXD (02/19/2013) [-]
But then why would they say that he protects people and watches over them? Not being a prick, honestly trying to understand the insanity.
User avatar #617 to #10 - COMMENTSforTHUMBS (02/19/2013) [-]
That's definitely new to me
#634 to #10 - anon (02/19/2013) [-]
wasn't that apple thing why people lost free choice...
User avatar #645 to #10 - wiljones (02/19/2013) [-]
how do you overcome evil when you are being bombed in the name of some god?
User avatar #71 to #10 - Crusader (02/18/2013) [-]
Don't know if anyone else knows this, but you guys do realize that Satan is still a hand of god.
God had 2 hands through which many things were done, Michael, the Right Hand of God (Dexterity, and therefore the right hand is holy), and Lucifer, the Left hand (Sinister, the left hand is unholy, hence why children used to be trained to be righty).
But yes, Lucifer was cast out, yaddi yada yada.
Satan can't do anything without God's permission, anything that Satan did, was in order to help the world. He gave eve the apple, and gave free will, which God has supported since then, he tempted Jesus, was in reality the temptation that all men would go through in their lives.
He did some other thigns that I can't remember off the top of my head.

TLDR - Satan still acts on God's orders, but is seen as the outcome of secular ideals.
#181 to #71 - yomommabinshoppin (02/18/2013) [-]
I think that Satan is free to ask god to do things, God doesn't entirely give him orders, just yes or no, I believe, I may be wrong
User avatar #573 to #71 - sniperfumbles (02/19/2013) [-]
Lucifer was mentioned once in the bible, and was attributed to being a Proto-Satan. In reality, it was just early Christians throwing out a name to directly slander a diety older than Christianity itself.
#103 to #10 - mutants (02/18/2013) [-]
But is it really free will if it's already been predetermined
User avatar #11 to #10 - warbob (02/18/2013) [-]
Next time you speak with that friend of yours ask him the following question.

If God is almighty and allknowing ... then how come he didn't know Adam and Eve will take the apple , how come he didn't know that an angel will fall and become Satan?Unless that was his first intention.
User avatar #13 to #11 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
He would have known.
He would have known that Adam and Eve would have gone to the tree and taken the fruit.
He also knew that Satan would rebel against him
While these things are unfortunate, it is because he gave man and hosts free will
This free will is used to create the option of Love or not
That's all the Creator wanted, is to love and be loved.
#174 to #13 - petagriffeenisafag (02/18/2013) [-]
'That's all the Creator wanted, is to love and be loved.'

Contradicts your whole statement, why didn't he just create humans with free will but without the option for evil deeds if he just wanted everyone to love and be loved. If he was all knowing and had the option to create everything that we know, why didn't he just give us the ability to distinguish love and friendship and remove the ability to commit evil deeds?
User avatar #561 to #10 - skrynox (02/19/2013) [-]
Sadly, you are one of the few intelligent atheists.

Most just reply with some banter such as: "IF GOD EXIST WHY KIDS DIE IN AFRIKA? WHERE YOUR GOD NOW?"

I salute thee.
User avatar #567 to #10 - ZakisBak (02/19/2013) [-]
I just wanted to sincerely thank you for that
#115 - snakefire (02/18/2013) [-]
This channel pisses me off. It makes christians look bad, and atheists look even worse.

Atheism is not believing, not insulting anyone who does believe.
#678 to #115 - walkinginduringsex (02/19/2013) [-]
I was led to believe that atheists chose to disprove God. While Agnostics were the ones that chose to not believe in him at all. Pic unrelated.
#730 to #678 - maxsnax (02/19/2013) [-]
Not at all. Atheism is the belief there is no god. It's just us and the rest of the universe, everything happened by itself for some unknown reason.

Agnosticism is saying, "Hmm, this is all really weird. How did all this happen? Could there have maybe been someone who made all of this? I just don't know!" Agnosticism is just sitting on the fence, mainly because there is no proof of a god or proof there is no god.
#635 to #115 - anon (02/19/2013) [-]
There's nothing wrong with insulting some idiots.
#661 to #635 - anon (02/19/2013) [-]
you're an idiot
#452 - Jenkinhimer (02/19/2013) [-]
From one atheist to another, that's a really simplistic argument. It sounds like you don't really understand people's general concept of a 'God'.

Your argument would work if God was supposed to be a stalwart physical protector of every human on Earth. Which he's not. Today's society sees him as a powerful mystic being that we don't understand who acts as a personal moral guide for each individual.

Yeah, I know in the past he's supposedly intervened with stuff like that, but that was then and this is now. If you're going to try to refute God, at least refute the one that people are actually concerned about at the moment. He's a deity, not a bloody superhero.
User avatar #485 to #452 - mechaemperor (02/19/2013) [-]
You can't refute something that defies logic other than with "it ******* defies logic. believe this crap if you must, I won't until I see good enough evidence"
#640 - harrytheheadcrab (02/19/2013) [-]
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Sounds like OP had a very touchy uncle.
#572 - mrkickasscomedy (02/19/2013) [-]
WOW OP THIS SO 			*******		 FUNNY LOL LMFAO 			****		 off this a site for funny
WOW OP THIS SO ******* FUNNY LOL LMFAO **** off this a site for funny
User avatar #12 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
>God gives humans free will out of love
>Humans abuse free will by abusing other humans
>Can't just openly stop humans from doing all this dumb crap or else it isn't free will
>without free will there isn't any ability to call it love
>the best way to guide humans is to give them instructions on how to live right and help each other out
>everyone ignores instructions, and generally fails to help each other out
>blames Maker because they screw up the world and then don't like it
#16 to #12 - anon (02/18/2013) [-]
Why did he need to give us free will exactly? Why doesn't he just snap is magic fingers and make everything fine? Or better yet, give us free will or remove all pain and suffering such as is in, for example heaven. Why not make everyone in heaven to start with?
#334 to #12 - kerplunking (02/19/2013) [-]
Imagine if a government made rape legal because, HEY! "Freewill", amirite?

Yeah, it'd be ******* stupid.
User avatar #437 to #334 - brettyoke (02/19/2013) [-]
You seem to be assuming there's no punishment for doing wrong. The government isn't going to stop somebody from murdering you, because they aren't there to control everyone, that's not their duty. God will punish the wrongdoers, but will not stop them because everyone has free will.

At least, that's my (and other Christians') beliefs.
#442 to #437 - kerplunking (02/19/2013) [-]
So if a policeman comes across a person being murdered, he doesn't have to stop it, he just has to make sure the murderer is arrested afterwards?
User avatar #449 to #442 - brettyoke (02/19/2013) [-]
For starters, you said the government and legality.

Secondly, I believe that God does save some people some of the time in exceptional situations. However, a policeman isn't always on the spot, and he can't always act.

We'll find out one day.

(Before you say, "well then God favors people hurr durr." Some people are more innocent than others, some people just truly deserve to be protected, despite free will)
#471 to #449 - kerplunking (02/19/2013) [-]
And some little girls deserve to be raped, of course.
User avatar #475 to #471 - brettyoke (02/19/2013) [-]
I guess you wouldn't understand where I'm coming from if you come from a different side than me. Some people believe God doesn't interfere at all, I believe he does little this's and that's.
#501 to #475 - kerplunking (02/19/2013) [-]
Of course.

When you find $20 on the floor, "It's a miracle!"

When millions are starving in Africa, "God works in mysterious ways".
User avatar #690 to #501 - maturityFAIL (02/19/2013) [-]
I think believers will always find a way to defend their religion because it's so vague to begin with. They twist it and pick and choose and rationalize until it works with their argument. I really don't care if they do believe or not, but what I hate is when they give this sense that they think they're better than you. Same goes to atheists that think that way, even though I completely agree with them.
User avatar #507 to #501 - brettyoke (02/19/2013) [-]
Oh my, this isn't your average everyday athiest.

This is, an internet athiest.

I don't praise God when I find $20 mate, and I don't call it God's work that children starve in Africa. Quit being a stereotypical dicksqueeze.
#526 to #507 - kerplunking (02/19/2013) [-]
I'm glad you acknowledge that most of my fellow atheists are not like me, I wouldn't want them to get blamed for my jimmyrustlin'.

But seriously, you have no argument. An omnipotent deity could help everyone that needed help, and don't say that he only helps those that "deserve it" because that's blatant ******** .

We can keep arguing in circles and you can keep making fallacies, but at the end of the day we're both wasting our time. Good day sir.
User avatar #732 to #526 - brettyoke (02/19/2013) [-]
Whatever floats your boat.
User avatar #557 to #12 - CXJokerXD (02/19/2013) [-]
What about the part where if you don't get spashed or dipped in water, you burn for an eternity?
User avatar #564 to #557 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/19/2013) [-]
Baptism isn't required to go to heaven. It's just a sign to the church body and to the community that you have submitted yourself to following the teachings of Jesus.
#697 to #12 - astafarianp (02/19/2013) [-]
Then what's the point of calling him God if he can't stop these things.
#804 to #12 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
what about the free will of the victim? why should the free will of the killer or rapist be spared?
User avatar #805 to #804 - mattdoggy ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
It is sad and unfortunate that the killer or rapist imposes his sick and twisted will onto the others, but if there will is stopped there is no will
User avatar #14 to #12 - volleys (02/18/2013) [-]
So God should've gave us less free will then?
User avatar #17 to #14 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
Free will is needed
if you put a gun to someones head and say "tell me you love me or else i'll shoot you"
their response of "i love you" means nothing
All he wants is to love and be loved, it's up to each individual to reciprocate the feeling and do their best to spread that love
User avatar #34 to #14 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
i think the problem here was "perfect beings" with the desire to murder. surely an all powerful god could just remove that desire. not the desire to rape though, its clear he likes kinky stuff.
User avatar #29 to #12 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
oh okay, lets follow these rules:
punishment for fortune telling - death
punishment for hitting a parent - death
punishment for cursing a parent - death
punishment for not listening to a priest - death
punishment for following another religion - death
punishment for adultery - death
punishment for not seeking the lord god of Israel - death
punishment for fornication - death
punishment for prophesising falsely - death
punishment for homosexuality - death
punishment for blasphemy - death
punishment for working on the sabbath - death
punishment for having non believers in the town - death to the whole town
punishment for rape - 50 shekels to the father for his new wife.
chose the bible's punishments but since intelligent design "theory" could point to any religion with a creator, could easily use the Quran
User avatar #37 to #29 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/18/2013) [-]
I like it when people quote Leviticus. It tells me they're atheist because it's cool, not because they actually understand the religion and choose to not believe it.
User avatar #44 to #37 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
also, one other thing. how does religion work? is it not by following the orders of your god so as to maximize the chances of going to heaven?
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User avatar #58 to #44 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
It works basically as you accepting God into your heart and your life. After that you are generally good. The good deeds and not sinning is just a way to keep yourself out of trouble, how to help others, and how to spread the love around. You can't gain any favor or lose any, everybody is loved the same.
#60 to #58 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
yeah like this guy.
yeah like this guy.
User avatar #46 to #44 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/18/2013) [-]
I don't know about any other religion, but as for Christianity, there is no "Maximizing your chances." You're either getting in or you're not, and there isn't a complicated rule set to follow either.
User avatar #49 to #46 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
if you don't follow your god's rules you go to hell
User avatar #50 to #49 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/18/2013) [-]
If you're not perfect, you go to hell.

Should I continue and explain, or will you just ignore me and go on throwing out Leviticus and Deuteronomy verses to paint Christianity as "bad?"
User avatar #74 to #50 - tehcashew (02/18/2013) [-]
It doesn't matter if you are perfect or not. Once you truly accept God into your heart you are in, if the apostle Paul can do it then anyone can and he killed thousands of Christians before finding God.
User avatar #754 to #74 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/19/2013) [-]
"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:48 That's right from Jesus himself.
User avatar #764 to #754 - tehcashew (02/19/2013) [-]
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
-John 3:16

You took that verse to literally, Jesus was trying to say to strive to perfection as God is perfect, not "You only get to heaven if you are perfect"
User avatar #53 to #50 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
oh so we're all going to hell, awesome.

you may continue, as long as you know of the NT bad parts.
User avatar #756 to #53 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/19/2013) [-]
There are no bad parts of the New Testament.

Here's how you go to heaven: Be perfect in God's eyes. Unfortunately, by ourselves, that's impossible, so yes, you're technically correct. We're all going to hell.

However, thanks to Jesus living a perfect life and sacrificing himself for us, we become perfect through him, and are allowed into heaven.

The only thing we have to do is believe that Jesus did just that for us, and that he is the only true God. Everything else? Details.
User avatar #48 to #46 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
jesus came to for fill the law.
User avatar #39 to #37 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
so in your opinion we should ignore jesus and throw out the ot?
most people are atheist because it's rational, reasonable and logical.
User avatar #45 to #39 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/18/2013) [-]
The Old Testament laws are not applicable anymore.

Some people are atheist because they know the different religions and choose not to believe in any of them. That's respectable.

Most people don't know anything about any religion, and are just atheist because "HURR CONTRADICTIONS LOL."

So far you've fallen into the latter of the two.
User avatar #52 to #45 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
oh atheists, most of them, it's true have not really thought about it and naturally come to a scientific way of thinking.

atheism will always be misrepresented, like being a religion or hating an imaginary character.

some people however, are atheist because of the lack of evidence for any sort of creator, and believe religion does far more harm than good.
User avatar #67 to #29 - Crusader (02/18/2013) [-]
Um, don't know if you realize this, but Islam and Christianity are both evolutions of Judaism.
User avatar #271 to #67 - cheesymondo (02/19/2013) [-]
i knew Christianity, but Islam i was unaware of descending from Judaism. i wasnt sure if Muhammad had endorsed the OT as jesus did.
User avatar #278 to #271 - Crusader (02/19/2013) [-]
Ok, so this is the run down on Islam
Islam was created by Muhammad
No one knows what religion Muhammad was before he created Islam, but it is most likely he was Jewish
He went and prayed and found god
Told his wife and his cousin, they became the first Muslims
Muhammad turned each message he received from God into a page in the Qu'Ran
Islam still believes in Jewish and Christian prophets, they think Jesus was just a prophets
They think that over the years Christianity and Judaism fell away from the teachings of god, and that what that Qu'Ran is, is word for word, what God wants, because it has never been changed, you can look at a copy as it was written 1000 years ago, and it will be the same as a copy printed yesterday, word for word.
Also, if you are Muslim, you MUST KNOW ARABIC, purely because the Qu'Ran is ONLY IN ARABIC, you can get English translations, german, french, etc. But they will be translations of the Qu'Ran, not a Qu'Ran, not like you can have an English Bible, German Bible, etc.
This is because the Qu'Ran is the recording of what god said, and what it said was in Arabic.

Many things in Islam are similar to Judaism, to the point where the two are closer than Judaism and Christianity
Such things include
- very strict on alcohol (to the point Islam doesn't allow it at all)
- No work during prayer (for Jews this is the Sabbath, for Muslims this is 5 times of prayer a day)
- Religious holidays that are to be done a specific way
- Reverence/disgust of the menstrual cycle
- Similar calendars
- Holy books are in the native language
- Circumcision (it doesn't matter whether you think it is genital mutilation or not, that's just how the religions work)
- Modesty of Women
User avatar #769 to #278 - cheesymondo (02/20/2013) [-]
and when Muhammad was 50 he had sex with a 9 year old. isnt religion wonderful
User avatar #773 to #769 - Crusader (02/20/2013) [-]
No he didn't, pedophilia is actually looked down upon in Islam as much as in Christianity or any other religion.
Things like that come into play like that is a cultural thing, a manipulation of the laws that is in one area.
User avatar #774 to #773 - cheesymondo (02/20/2013) [-]
are you saying lady Ayesha was not in the Quran?
User avatar #776 to #774 - Crusader (02/20/2013) [-]
1 - The age of Ayesha is disputed, I have seen things that have said she was anywhere from 8-15 (13 and above was common marriage age given the time), with most of the things I had seen before I did a google search right now saying she was like 12+
2 - As for why he did it, it was again one of those cultural things that doesn't mix with religion, like Christianity, we are supposed to respect Jewish laws, follow what Jesus did, he didn't eat pork, yet Christians do, because that was a cultural thing and cattle domestication wasn't common place in Europe at that point.
User avatar #778 to #776 - cheesymondo (02/20/2013) [-]
this is where religion falls down. according to the quran Ayesha was married at 6 and had sex at 9 AND was married at 13 and had sex later. i would go with what the Quran actually says.
User avatar #41 to #29 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
Those rules concern the Jewish laws of the old covenant and were not really considered God's laws, but a set of fence laws set up by the pharisees, to protect people from breaking the core laws.
These things were undone, along with a lot of other things, when Jesus sacrificed himself to atone for all sins.
Also it's important to note that these sentences could be undone with a repentance. Like during the Salem witch trials, if you apologized for being a witch and chose to repent of your wickedness you'd get off the hook with a slap on the wrist.
User avatar #47 to #41 - cheesymondo (02/18/2013) [-]
so the fact that Jesus came to forfill the laws, and shouted at his host when taking dinner (in reply to the host confronting jesus about not observing their eating rituals) about not killing his children when they disobeyed him, thats just not relevant?
User avatar #43 to #12 - nightmaren (02/18/2013) [-]
If he's all powerful and can do anything and everything, why can't he just force a wall to erupt from the ground and start beating the **** out of the rapist? If he makes something happen which would prevent the rape, without actually just going into the rapists mind and making him go "actually i dont think i want to rape this kid bye now", then there's still free will.
I have free will, supposedly, and I'm using it to write this comment, but if right at this moment something came to prevent me from typing it without actually controlling my mind, I'd still have free will.
Preventing a rape =/= Infringing on people's free will
User avatar #55 to #43 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
Well if i gave you the option to get a hundred dollar bill, but i handcuffed you to a cement block and taped the hundred dollar bill to the ceiling, could i say you didn't want the hundred dollars.
An immediate and clear hand of interference with someone's actions is an impeding of free will.
There are some acceptable things that we could see happening, like getting a better offer to do something else, A friend advising you not to do it and that its a bad idea, or just having a bad feeling about it.
User avatar #65 to #55 - nightmaren (02/18/2013) [-]
But you're not impeding my free will. I can still try to get it. Just because something becomes extremely difficult, that doesn't mean it impedes my free will to do so.
I wouldn't be able to get the 100$ bill, that doesn't mean my free will to do so is non-existent. If you wanted to impede my free will, you'd have to alter my mind or sub-conscious, essentially controlling my mind, to do so.
If I want to build an under-ground base in the moon's core, I still have the free-will to do so.
Just because there's almost 0 chance of it happening, that doesn't mean I don't have the free will to do it.
User avatar #84 to #43 - deezknuts (02/18/2013) [-]
double standard dude

and who is to say that whatever "God" or divine spirit or whatever hasn't already prevented a ******** of rapes from happening?

like what if theres billions of opportunities to get raped every second that hang in the balance but since the opportunities allow for such a small, insignificant probabiity, the rapes almost never occur?
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User avatar #25 to #20 - mattdoggy ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
Free will gives people the ability to do a lot of wrong things, you can rape, murder, lie, cheat, etc. That means you can also have the will to protect, comfort, help, and support.
It does suck that the world we live in is so messed up but we are the ones shaping it.
People are starving when we produce enough food to support everyone in the world and then some. People get mugged and robbed because we force the robbers into desperation and then turn a blind eye to those being robbed.
The way ive always seen it is as a sort of child like aspect. Making your kid do something good is one thing, but having them do good on their own because they listened to you and learned from you is a really rewarding feeling.
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User avatar #26 to #20 - patrickmiller (02/18/2013) [-]
Your view of Free will is flawed, God gave us the capacity to murder but also the capacity to love it is us who chooses what we will do with the gift he has given us.
Free will only gives us the capacity to do things we gave ourselves the desire to do evil.
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User avatar #30 to #28 - patrickmiller (02/18/2013) [-]
And we have the free will to get those murderers help or do better research on the cosmos and have gotten those people evacuated, we make the world what it is,
You state random events as if someone let them happen when no one did because God does not interfere in the world of man.
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User avatar #36 to #33 - patrickmiller (02/18/2013) [-]
Look you don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying to you and I am probably not fully getting what you're saying, so let's stop here both of us with our opposing ideological views. But keep in mind God makes the world but we put it together, you don't blame the Lego company for what a kid makes with their Legos.
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#122 - heartlessrobot ONLINE (02/18/2013) [-]
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Why would I stop myself?
#695 - vorack **User deleted account** (02/19/2013) [-]
Gee, I hope this doesn't start a 			*********		 clone war...
Gee, I hope this doesn't start a ********* clone war...
User avatar #152 - thegingermancan (02/18/2013) [-]
if i could stop a person from looking down on the beliefs of others, i would.

that's the difference between me and op.
User avatar #194 to #152 - pepemex (02/18/2013) [-]
But some beliefs are ******* stupid.
User avatar #204 to #194 - shiifter (02/18/2013) [-]
Like the belief that your beliefs are better than someone elses?

i concur.
User avatar #213 to #204 - pepemex (02/18/2013) [-]
Some beliefs are worse than others, for instance idiot parents letting their kids die because medicine goes against their religion.

Or radical muslims killing rape victims.

But no, we shouldn't say their beliefs are idiotic, it might offend them...
User avatar #214 to #213 - shiifter (02/18/2013) [-]
You mean people are crazy and take good things too far?

When has that ever happened?
User avatar #223 to #213 - thegingermancan (02/18/2013) [-]
the radical elements of any belief system are not good representatives of the belief system as a whole
#566 - zeelegoboy (02/19/2013) [-]
I honestly don't understand arguments about religion...   
Seriously its like arguing Coke or Pepsi   
Fun fact: We're all going to die, weather or not we believe in something, and hey maybe some of us will find out they're right, but arguing about it is beating a dead horse, then shipping its body to the butcher, cutting it up, making it into burgers, eating it, 			********		 it, and then throwing your 			****		 at others.
I honestly don't understand arguments about religion...

Seriously its like arguing Coke or Pepsi

Fun fact: We're all going to die, weather or not we believe in something, and hey maybe some of us will find out they're right, but arguing about it is beating a dead horse, then shipping its body to the butcher, cutting it up, making it into burgers, eating it, ******** it, and then throwing your **** at others.
User avatar #575 to #566 - gammajk (02/19/2013) [-]
I'd agree with you, except religion still influences the politics that govern us all and is therefore relevant to everyone no matter what their beliefs are.
User avatar #525 - MysticTomatoe (02/19/2013) [-]
yes, because any god is supposed to intervene in everything that happens in the world. And since you are referring to Christian God he made humans with something called free will was it? That means we can make our own choices, whether we know they are good or not.
#450 - thisotherdude (02/19/2013) [-]
Okay, I'm an atheist but I'm still gonna bring it up: If god did absolutely everything for us what motivation would we have to do it ourselves, humans would advanced or do basically anything if they knew god was just standing there ready to do it for us at a moments notice.

Stop being an elitist asshole, how about you just believe what you want to believe and let others believe what they want to believe. We've never started a ********* over what's scarier between a spider or a centipede.
User avatar #487 to #450 - darthblam ONLINE (02/19/2013) [-]
"How about you just believe what you want and let others believe what they want..."

Because there are people in the world that kill each other and start wars over this **** .
User avatar #496 to #487 - thisotherdude (02/19/2013) [-]
>Implying wars wouldn't exist without religion

I'm not gonna deny that religions have caused some bad things, but only as much as every other motive, money, political opinion, sheer homicidal rage, ext... Humans will kill other humans for any reason they can think of, nothing will change that unless we end up killing ourselves for good, which is also very unlikely to happen, we're too good at living to go extinct.
User avatar #544 to #496 - darthblam ONLINE (02/19/2013) [-]
>Implying I said anything about religion being the only reason for war, or that war wouldn't exist without religion

You missed my point. Religion has been around far too long and affects the lives of people far too deeply for them to do what you say reasonable folk should do.
These are beliefs that have been around since the dawn of civilization. You can't simply treat it like it's a brony vs hater argument or when someone thinks a game is better than another.
User avatar #558 to #544 - thisotherdude (02/19/2013) [-]
Define reasonable, because I've met many reasonable theists and unreasonable atheists, in the grand scheme of things religion doesn't affect us as much as you'd like to believe. Stalin was an atheist and look what he did, around 20 million people dead because of him, and his beliefs factored very little into it. And Hitler was a christian (he actually was, maybe not a hardcore christian but he was indeed christian), around 12 million people, and his beliefs also factored very little into it. Likewise on the opposite end of the spectrum we have atheists and theists who did great things. Tesla as a matter of fact was christian (Serbian Orthodox), and his beliefs factored very little into that.

That fact of the matter is it's not the religion of the man that matters, it's the man himself.
#577 to #558 - darthblam ONLINE (02/19/2013) [-]
I don't know if you're just ignoring it or are simply not realizing it, but you are completely missing the point of my statements.   
Either way, it doesn't matter. I'm done here. You win. Bye.
I don't know if you're just ignoring it or are simply not realizing it, but you are completely missing the point of my statements.
Either way, it doesn't matter. I'm done here. You win. Bye.
User avatar #480 to #450 - ctsasquatch (02/19/2013) [-]
Centipedes are scarier; it's like six spiders in one. How is that even a question?
User avatar #486 to #480 - thisotherdude (02/19/2013) [-]
I don't even mind spiders, they kill mosquito's and other such pests which makes 'em alright in my eyes. Centipedes on the other hand exist only to be hellspawned little ***** hellbent on make you burn your house down.
#132 - thatmexican (02/18/2013) [-]
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#569 - phuckinthingsucks (02/19/2013) [-]
You gotta be one of the most ignorant mother ******* I've ever seen. I am sorry for that I really am.
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#548 - bigrog (02/19/2013) [-]
I've always been a big believer in live and let live and the goodness of human beings, and I've stood up for atheist when someone spoke ill of them, just as i would anythime someone would make a statement about a whole group. But now i am beginning to grow weary. It seems every time i get on my laptop there is someone directly telling me how stupid my beliefs are, how stupid I am for believing, how evil my beliefs are and how my supporting them i am somehow evil too. And if someone doesn't tell me this directly I see a post like this which sums all that up pretty well. And its not longer just the internet, i see it on the tv regulary, hear it on the radio, and even at my college. It seems almost everyday i hear an atheist try to tear me down and make me out to be the bad guy. And i used to tell myself that the ones like that are just a very small very vocal minority, but then i see that over 600 people on this site alone seem to agree. Despite my best efforts, these people are making me biased and they are making me bitter. For the first time in my life i find myself growing angry at a group of people as a whole. These people have tried and failed to break my faith in my lord, but I fear they are beginning to wear on my faith in people.
#571 to #548 - anon (02/19/2013) [-]
The only place I hear atheists talk about their beliefs is the internet, which is why I go to the internet to talk to other atheists. All I hear about in my daily life is prayer, Christianity, and religious stuff. Is it too much to ask to have one place where I can freely express my beliefs? It's not like there is an atheist community area where I can go to.

As to hearing your beliefs be called "stupid," well, you're going to hear that everywhere you go - I certainly do. People just need to learn to not care what other people believe in, or at least be accepting.

Also, you are coming off as a martyr. I despise martyrs.
#632 to #571 - bigrog (02/19/2013) [-]
To be honest, I dont give a crap how I'm coming off to you or what you despise. I said what i said because i needed to get something off my chest and because i am tired of having atheist spit in my face and then trying to be be the bigger man, saying i respect your opinion, and then trying to be forgiving only to have another spit in my face again. And the internet is not An "atheist only club." I would also like to say that if you cant talk about your beliefs anyplace besides a computer screen its because of your own timidness. Atheist are one of the fastest growing groups of people in the world and if you cant find any other ones to talk to than youre doing something wrong. And my problem that is seems that you people dont just need to talk about your beliefs, but you also need to judge and piss on mine and everyone whos not one of you as well. The more i get spat at the more i begin to beleive that you people are incapable of building yourselves up by yourselves, so you must resort to trying to tear others down.
#709 to #632 - anon (02/19/2013) [-]
If anything, you're just talking to the wrong people. Plus, you're stereotyping. Also, atheists are almost always shunned and cast out of social circles and places simply because of their beliefs. I've lost friends because of my beliefs. You need to stop being so pessimistic. Nobody said the internet was an "atheist only" club - it's just the easiest place to meet other atheists. You are clearly the one who cares about other people's opinions and cannot build yourself up. I have no problems with myself, and I am very active in my college community. Just because someone is an atheist doesn't make them an asshole; just because someone is Christian doesn't make them an asshole. You need to take a step back and look at these "atheists" - are they assholes because they're atheists, or are they just assholes?

You are an extremely rude, pessimistic, and angered individual. Anyone who argues with you will only be stomped on by your anger and prejudice.
#726 to #709 - bigrog (02/19/2013) [-]
And i know there are good athiest out there, two of my closest friends are athiest. I'm saying as a whole, im saddened to say i am beginning to loose faith in them. It seems like everyday a new atheist comes up to try to tear me and my beliefs down, and while i know there are good ones out there, im not hearing them speak, and im not seeing very much kindness being offered which makes me think they must be scarce. You say im talking to the wrong people, well please so me where the right people are. Besides my two friends, the number of atheist ive met who have shown me any kindness or respect i can count on one hand. And maybe your right, maybe i am also becoming pessimistic. Buts its hard not to when i see something like this post, but its hard not to when i see a post like this with no joke and no point other than to spit on something so many hold more sacred than there lives, me included, and see that over 800 people voted it up. That means that over 800 people on this site alone have no problem spitting on what i hold sacred. And finally i would like to say that i dont think i have been rude, just honest about how i feel, and if if have been rude then i do apologize but would like to add that it would stem from me not wanting any confrontation, just to be able to let something out thats ive kept repressed for a long time and get if off my chest.
#721 to #709 - bigrog (02/19/2013) [-]
I love how you suddenly know me inside and out based on two comments. First off im not going to "stomp on" anyone and i am always willing to listen to an arguement. if you had paid any attention to my initial comment you would have seen that i already admitted that I am angry and that i have become biased. And it is the result of being spit on by atheist for 4 damn years. For years ago i converted from athiesm to christianity. And in that time i always looked at the good in people and would always stand up for atheist along with any group when someone said something harsh about them as a whole. But recently that side of being is beginning to die out. After for years of everytime i open my laptop seeing things like this putting down my religion, for years of everytime i post something defending religion as a whole, not just christianity, immedietly being told how stupid me and my beliefs are, after 4 years of everytime i turn of the tv hearing some asshole like bill muhr or Ricky Gervais spouting off about how foolish and evil my religion is, after 4 years of walking into my required college class and hearing my proffesors say the exact same damn thing, and after finding out my good friend who is still in highschool getting suspended for reading a bible after he finished his work in class, I am becoming bitter and angry. And maybe its my fault for living by the code of live and let live and do unto others. All my life ive tried to keep my nose clean and show people love and respect no matter what they believe, and i guess i hoped i could get the same thing back. And i dont care what other people think, its just after for years of being pissed on and spat at then trying to smile back, forgiving and forgetting is getting a bit harder and im running out of cheeks to turn. And trust me ive built myself up plenty hi with the help of my friends, family and the lord, The only thing that has been torn down is my faith in people.
#523 - Ludo (02/19/2013) [-]
where is the funny?
where is the funny?
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