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User avatar #98 - psychopilot (02/08/2013) [-]
Is this refering to "As good as it gets"?
#85 - thepelvinator (02/08/2013) [-]
This post makes me feel multicultural.

*****
#55 - jugeboxi (02/08/2013) [-]
**jugeboxi rolled a random image posted in comment #2922390 at My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic ** as long as i dont roll a pony
**jugeboxi rolled a random image posted in comment #2922390 at My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic ** as long as i dont roll a pony
#93 to #55 - sphyrna (02/08/2013) [-]
dat boob shake
#101 to #93 - sphyrna (02/08/2013) [-]
Red thumbs
Red thumbs
User avatar #109 to #101 - darkangeloffire (02/08/2013) [-]
I don't see why you got the red thumbs. It's Flannery. And Flannery is hot.
User avatar #113 to #109 - sphyrna (02/08/2013) [-]
I'm not sure why either but idc
User avatar #65 to #55 - dharkmoswen (02/08/2013) [-]
That is ******* awesome. Who is that?!
User avatar #77 to #65 - isradam (02/08/2013) [-]
Tit's McGee.
#74 to #65 - nekky (02/08/2013) [-]
Gym Leader Flannery from Ruby and Sapphire I think
#72 to #65 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Gym Leader Flannery I believe
User avatar #69 to #65 - jugeboxi (02/08/2013) [-]
i have no idea :D
User avatar #63 to #45 - thekinganon (02/08/2013) [-]
I think it might be similar to what happens near my area. Basically immigrants gather around a certain area (in my case them being Indian) and just wait for people go give them jobs, mostly construction based. So the guy being a model is unnatural to what they are used to. Hope i helped.
User avatar #114 to #63 - KevKK (02/08/2013) [-]
Indeed you did, thanks :)
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#48 to #42 - gameshredder (02/08/2013) [-]
My god.... i just now realized why there are so many crumpled up tissues under his bed...
My god.... i just now realized why there are so many crumpled up tissues under his bed...
#56 to #48 - joktapuss (02/08/2013) [-]
There is a comic called "chix" and the one he is holding called "jiggy jiggy"   
Childhood took -2104 damage
There is a comic called "chix" and the one he is holding called "jiggy jiggy"
Childhood took -2104 damage
#28 - skiskate (02/08/2013) [-]
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#26 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
******* illegal immigrants piss me off. Get the **** out of the country. Learn the language BEFORE you ******* come here and while you're at it, get rid of that accent. We speak English in America. Learn it. They also take jobs. inb4 the jobs that no one wants. Just shut the **** up. If you have a family and just lost your job, you'll do what ever it takes to keep food on the table. You'll mow a damn lawn, do some manual labor, it doesn't matter. I don't understand where this false sense of entitlement comes from. Especially with kids around my age (19). They act like they're too good to do certain jobs like fast food and stuff. They need to get over themselves. You have no reason to feel accomplished and like you deserve anything.
#108 to #26 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Ok the first part is complete ******** but the second part with Americans having that false sense of entitlement is completely true and no one says anything about that. They only focus on that beginning. American youth needs to get over themselves.
#107 to #26 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
A really angry and racist redneck shares his opinion on illegal immigration?
How wonderful!

I was being sarcastic
User avatar #79 to #26 - cryptospuridium (02/08/2013) [-]
LOL, yeah, bad english!
#39 to #26 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
They speak English better than you speak their native language, ******** .
#41 to #39 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I don't speak their native language because I don't have to. If I went to their country, then i'd learn their language. If I go to Germany, i'd learn German. If I go to Russia, I'd learn Russian. If you come to America, learn English.
User avatar #66 to #41 - newsmyrna ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
I moved to China from the US...learning the local language is not as easy as you make it out to be.
#73 to #66 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Then you should have learned it before you moved. And if you couldn't learn it, you shouldn't have move there. Or at least waited to move until you could learn the language.
User avatar #76 to #73 - newsmyrna ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Do you have any idea how much harder it is to learn a language without total immersion. Why would anyone even attempt to do that is beyond me it's just a waste of money. It's not like I can go to Best Buy pick up a Rosetta Stone and be fluent in a language in a few days. You make it out like it's the easiest thing in the world to just suddenly form thoughts in a foreign tongue and just spit it out like a local.
#81 to #76 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Then just stay in the country which speaks the language that you speak until you can learn that other language.
#83 to #81 - newsmyrna ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Wow I really don't think you understood what I said about total immersion so I'm just gonna go to bed now. Enjoy hating minorities and the down trodden.
Wow I really don't think you understood what I said about total immersion so I'm just gonna go to bed now. Enjoy hating minorities and the down trodden.
#87 to #83 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
What i'm saying is just stay in your country. That way you wont have to worry about learning another language.
User avatar #97 to #87 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, I think most immigrants have more important motivations than that. If they want to leave their country and move to a new one, the prospect of learning a new language is probably not going to stop them. They'd either just learn the language, or try to get by without it.

My grandfather is 81 years old. He immigrated (legally) along with the rest of my family when he was in his 60s. He spoke very little or no English before coming to the US and has poor hearing on top of that. Is it reasonable to expect him to learn a new language at that point?
I'm not saying you or anyone else is obligated to accommodate him.
#100 to #97 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
The American Citizenship test should definitely have a much larger and intense English portion. They need to know English before they get here. I don't expect your grandfather to learn a new language even though i'd like him to if he comes here, in his case I expect him to stay in his country if he can not learn the other language. A language barrier can make a bad situation A LOT worse. Trying to communicate with the police for example. Another example if god forbid he was ever mugged, he has some angry thug yelling at him for his watch or wallet, and your grandfather has no clue what's going on and as a result gets killed.
User avatar #117 to #100 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
Those are important considerations, and ones that immigrants should take into account. They are not something the state should be concerned with, because people should have the freedom to make these decisions for themselves. If they won't or can't learn English, they should be willing to accept the consequences of that and not expect to be accommodated. But to prevent their entry into the country is unjustified.

Are you suggesting we should have just left Grandpa behind, or not moved at all because one of us didn't know enough English? I didn't know English when I immigrated either, because I was very young. I didn't become adequately proficient in English until around second grade. And doesn't it make sense to learn the language in a country where it is spoken?

Also, the citizenship test determines who can become a citizen, not who can immigrate. There are plenty of legal residents who are not citizens.
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User avatar #91 to #87 - mrthezho (02/08/2013) [-]
Is this guy serious?
#102 to #91 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Yes i'm completely serious.
User avatar #103 to #102 - mrthezho (02/08/2013) [-]
You can't be...?
#110 to #103 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I assure you I am. I am most of the anon replies in this thread, read through it. You'll see my points and opinions.
User avatar #111 to #110 - mrthezho (02/08/2013) [-]
You can't possibly. I did read it, and you are truly ridiculous.
#112 to #111 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
How am I ridiculous? What about what I posted is ridiculous?
User avatar #115 to #112 - mrthezho (02/08/2013) [-]
Everything you said are just so ignorant. It's as if there's no thought behind it whatsoever.
#30 to #26 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
If you're American, your hate against inmigrants is ******* beyond retardation (unless you're an indian. In that case, it's completly justified).
#31 to #30 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I am American. How is my hate retarded?
#32 to #31 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Do you know some American history?
#34 to #32 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I do know it. Before you even start talking about Native Americans let me say my response. We didn't take anything from them. They didn't believe in ownership of land, they had no grasp of what property was. So they didn't actually own the land. We just built houses and said we own it. We were the ones who declared ownership of the land, not them. It's like a homeless person breaking into an abandoned house and living there. He doesn't live there because he does not own the land. He is just sleeping there. No ownership at all.
#71 to #34 - dharkmoswen (02/08/2013) [-]
Are you a ******* moron!? Most tribes claimed their territory (true, ownership and territory are close) but they still we FORCED to move from the place they had been living for centuries... even their sacred grounds were dug up/trampled/moved.... You make me ashamed to be American, you self centered, moronic, self-righteous prick.

LEARN YOUR PLACE!
#75 to #71 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I don't care how long they lived there, their philosophy was "it's everyone's land! We're all brothers!" We did not have the same philosophy. The grounds weren't sacred to us so we didn't care. It's just dirt, nothing special about it. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic anyways so they were used to moving around.
#36 to #34 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Actually you're talking about a FEW tribes if so. Many tribes such Sioux, Iroquois Confederation and many more had their own territories and they protected them fiercely. They didn't attack colonies unless they reached their territories. When they did, they defended themselves as good as they could.
#40 to #36 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
This is how the world works and always has worked. It's nothing new and I don't see why people constantly bitch about it. We had the more powerful army, so we ****** **** up. Deal with it. They obviously could not defend themselves good enough. I'm glad it happened actually.
User avatar #58 to #40 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
Being more powerful than others does not give you a right to their stuff.
#88 to #58 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Yes it does. What the **** are they going to do about it? Remember, the winners write the history books.
User avatar #89 to #88 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
That's how animals do stuff, but I'd think you'd hold humans to a different standard.
"What the **** are they going to do about it" is not intelligent reasoning, and that's not how rights work.

That might be how anarchy works, but if you support that then there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant.
#104 to #89 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
That's how war works. You think people have rights during war? I don't care if they're the richest most intellectual country in the world, if they have no army, they're ****** . Anyone can go in there and take over easily. Take their money and their knowledge and make them a province.
User avatar #118 to #104 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
War? We're not in a perpetual state of war, and you can't just start wars whenever you want something. Just because something is historically true does not mean it is just or acceptable.
#120 to #118 - anonymous (02/09/2013) [-]
It had to happen, we wouldn't be here today if it didn't nor would this great country be as great as it is now if we hadn't have done it. I'm glad it was done. We settled the land and built modern real societies, unlike those savage uncivilized nomadic tribes.
User avatar #122 to #120 - Ruspanic (02/09/2013) [-]
"We" had no right to do it. Just because the outcome was good, doesn't mean the ends justified the means.
#124 to #122 - anonymous (02/09/2013) [-]
We're not the only ones who did it, this has been happening throughout all of human history. It's nothing new.
User avatar #126 to #124 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
I know it's not new or anomalous, but that doesn't mean it's ethical or should be considered acceptable behavior. History and tradition do not determine right and wrong.
#128 to #126 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
I don't understand why everyone gives America so much **** for stuff like slavery and that Native American thing... Did you know between 1530 and 1850 over 1 million white Europeans were captured and enslaved by north Africans? No one knows that... no one ever mentions that... it's ******** . I love my country and i'm proud of it's history. I have no regrets for what my ancestors have done. **** ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider ****** horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative.
User avatar #129 to #128 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
Yes, I'm well aware that historically there have been both slaves and slaveholders of all races, and that atrocities like genocide are relatively commonplace among all races. Again, that doesn't make these things okay. That sort of attitude will only ensure that such things continue to happen.
You can love your country and take pride in its accomplishments without rationalizing or ignoring all the horrible **** that your countrymen or predecessors have done. America isn't and has never been perfect, and it's okay to admit that.
#131 to #129 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
People only seem to talk about the times America has done these things. That's all they focus on. That's what pisses me off. There's no need for these things to happen again. Everyone should just stay within their countries borders and be happy with it. No more trying to expand borders or anything, just be done with it. Let the borders be set. I don't ignore the stuff that happens, I just accept it as a fact. It happened, get over it. America is the greatest country ever and there is no denying that.
User avatar #133 to #131 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
I don't know which people you're talking about, but that's certainly not the only atrocity anyone ever talks about. Perhaps in the US, but that makes sense because it's part of this country's history.
Also when you're the world's leading economic and military superpower, you should expect the extra attention. That's China is now being scrutinized as well. People don't talk as much about the human rights violations committed in Uganda or Laos or Guatemala because those countries have relatively little impact on the world as a whole, and also because those countries don't claim to be the greatest in the world.

Out of curiosity, why do you think America is the greatest country ever? How do you measure that? What makes it so radically different from other industrialized Western democracies?
User avatar #137 to #133 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
I can't reply to your comment for some reason, but here we go.
Most of your stuff is really generic and unsubstantiated.

1. Yes, we have accomplished a lot. But it's not like we started from scratch. We, like everyone else, built upon the achievements of our predecessors. And we've also done a lot of bad things as well, which could possibly threaten our claim to superiority.
2. Yes, but why does that makes us greater than other nations, which have also invented stuff?
3. This is true.
4. Also true, but I don't know how relevant that is to modern times.
5. True. But you don't seem to be a huge proponent of diversity.
6. What about it? The system of checks and balances? The Constitution? Brilliant inventions, yes, but it's not like they were purely original, home-grown ideas. I will grant you that, though - having the oldest still-in-use Constitution is a big plus on our side.
7. Also, what about it? I don't think our government is all that great.
8. It's not like we're the only country that has a republican system of government, and not all our laws are fair and just. Are our laws MORE fair and just than the laws of all other countries?
9. We're not the only country that does that, and many criminal cases these days are decided by plea bargain anyway.
10. That's just a slogan. Yes, there's more opportunity for success here than in many other countries (after all, most countries are underdeveloped, but our social mobility isn't that great, and people who are poor tend to stay poor despite their talents or effort.

I'm not necessarily saying the US isn't the greatest country in the world, but I don't think your reasoning is sufficient to justify that claim. I would advise against blind patriotism, as it tends to obscure our many real problems.
#135 to #133 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
10 reasons right off the top of my head for you.
#134 to #133 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
1. We have only been around for about 250 years and have accomplished a lot more than most other countries.
2. All the inventions invented in America
3. Most powerful military
4. defeating the most powerful military at the time
5. we are extremely diverse
6. our legal system
7. our government
8. our laws are fair and just
9. Everyone has access to an attorney no matter their level of income
10. we are the land of opportunity
#43 to #40 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Exactly, that's how the world works. Stop bitching about how inmigrants get your jobs. If you don't like it, study a degree or just work harder for less money. If inmigrants take your jobs it's obviously because you're either too lazy or too demanding for doing that.
#46 to #43 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
They just do the work for less money because they're illegal. They can't ask for the same amount of money a white man would get paid for doing the same work. Payment is also a huge problem I have with immigrants. They come here, get a job, get paid, then send their money back to their home country. That's where the money circulates, not here. I blame them partially for the economy problem we're having here. Keep the money here where it can circulate. That would definitely help.
#47 to #46 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Look above to see my response.
#51 to #47 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
That's not how the world works actually. People move to a country and live there. They get a job, and spend money within that country, not send it back to their original country. No other country besides America has this problem.
User avatar #54 to #51 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
So yes, that's how the world works.
#53 to #51 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
Hmm.. yes, only America has problems with illegal inmigration... I'm Spaniard and we used to get about 2 or 3 boats with 300 inmigrants a week before the crisis. Some of them work, some of them don't. The ones who work send money to their familes. The ones who don't just **** around. So, don't worry, you're not alone. There are other countries with those problems. The difference is that your country was built up by inmigrants so it's highly hypocrite to complain about how inmigration is ******* up your country.
#57 to #53 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
You should have turned those boats around. I wish we would turn all our immigrants around. Get them the **** out of here i'd say, we're better off without them. Our country was not built by immigrants. No one immigrated to another country, because this wasn't a ******* country at the time. It had some uncivilized savages squatting on the land pretty much. That's it. We settled it and made it into a country.
User avatar #62 to #57 - arandomanon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
We couldn't turn those boats back because they were so crappy that if we turned them back, they'd sink. We tryed to send them back to their places but it's hard to find out what country are they from. Plus, some of them escape.
Your country was made up by people who came from other country. Your first American-born president was the third. This means that the first Americans were born in another country, ergo they emigrated to America. You descend from European inmigrants. You can call your country as "yours", of course, but that doesn't mean that there are few native Americans. It's true that your country didn't exist untill then but it's also true that it's not like your country was created by the grouping of people who initially were born there or nearby.
#80 to #62 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
Well that's their problem, not yours. They shouldn't have gotten on those ****** boats and came to your country in the first place. Just don't let anyone off the boat and tell the captain to sail back to where ever he came from. American-born president meant first president born after America was established, the presidents before him were born on the same land, it was just before the revolutionary war. George Washington was born in what is now Virginia. He didn't immigrate anywhere, same thing with the 2nd.
User avatar #59 to #57 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
Really, now? So the immigrants that came here after 1776 haven't contributed anything?
#61 to #59 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
I'm talking about illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants have not.
User avatar #68 to #61 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
First of all, then why so much emphasis on white people/English-speakers? Not all Americans are of English or European descent. The majority of us are not of English origin, though we speak English.

Secondly, yes, I'm fairly certain they have made contributions. I'm not saying their contributions justify illegal immigration, but immigration status does not dictate productivity. The labor that they do is a contribution, and not all illegal immigrants are or were manual laborers either.
#86 to #68 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
The emphasis is because we were settled by white English people. So that's why white people are ideal and why we speak English here. But i'm more concerned about the English speaking than the white ethnicity. The white ethnicity is just preferred. What besides the lower level jobs like manual labor do illegal immigrants do? They can't do anything more. But even the manual labor they do takes jobs away from true Americans. They mow the lawn and take work away from landscapers. They build sheds and stuff and take jobs away from carpenters. They paint houses and sheds or whatever and takes jobs away from professional painters.
#52 to #51 - discon (02/08/2013) [-]
According to you, the way the world works, is that when one group can outcompete another, they take over the area.
#60 to #52 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
They don't outcompete anyone. I guarantee you a professional carpenter would build a shed better than an illegal Mexican. A professional groundskeeper would trim the hedges and mow a lawn better than some Mexican.
User avatar #119 to #60 - Ruspanic (02/08/2013) [-]
What if the carpenter or the groundskeeper happens to be Mexican?
#121 to #119 - anonymous (02/09/2013) [-]
Is he an illegal Mexican? People in this thread keep misunderstanding me, so it must be he way i'm stating my opinions. I'll try to clarify. I do not have a problem with legal immigrants who become legal citizens, I have a problem with the illegal immigrants. If he is a legal citizen and is Mexican, then I have no issue with him. He pays taxes, he's good. Illegal Immigrants do not pay taxes, yet live in this country. That is one of my many issues with illegal immigrants.
User avatar #123 to #121 - Ruspanic (02/09/2013) [-]
Most illegal immigrants do pay taxes, though. If they buy anything they pay sales taxes. If they have a job they pay payroll taxes, and often even income taxes (they might use fraudulent Social Security numbers). If they own property they pay property taxes, and if they rent they indirectly pay the taxes that are factored into their rent.
However, they do not receive the same benefits that legal taxpayers receive, such as Social Security.
#125 to #123 - anonymous (02/09/2013) [-]
You ******* liberals are the problem with this country. You're destroying it. We need to keep America American.

If some illegal Mexican mows a lawn and gets 100 dollars he pays no payroll or income tax.The fact that you mentioned that they use fraudulent SS numbers as an example... that is extremely illegal and a huge problem. The only way they can rent an apartment is if they use fake identification or the person who's renting to them is breaking the law. They should not receive the same benefits that legal taxpayers receive and i'm glad they don't.
User avatar #127 to #125 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
Oh, boy, here we go.

First of all, I'm not a liberal. I was simply informing you that you're wrong, and that illegal immigrants do usually pay taxes.

No, they shouldn't be in the country illegally, nor should they be receiving benefits or voting or using fake SS numbers, etc. But that doesn't mean you have to pretend they're worthless or lazy or evil, or that they contribute nothing or that they're foreign invaders or that they're trying to undermine America or some similar ******** .

"Keep America American" is a meaningless and vaguely racist slogan that appeals to people who think American is something other than a nationality, the sort of people who believe in "purity" and thing there's such thing as a "true American". What the **** does that even mean?
#130 to #127 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
Your views sure as hell sound like the usual liberal dribble... I'm not pretending like they're worthless, lazy, and evil. They are. They are destroying this country. When they can't find steady pay, they often resort to crime. Most gangs are filled with minorities, very few whites are in gangs. Only the KKK and other white supremacist groups are white gangs. But the other minority gangs way out number the white gangs and the numbers of member do too. The few that actually do something useful doesn't out way the other criminals. It's not worth it. And the few illegal immigrants who do something useful are just taking the job away from an actual legal citizen. They are also invaders, they're basically the definition; To intrude upon. They are a plague on this country and needs to be dealt with swiftly. If you want to come here so badly, then do it the right way. If you're not willing to do it the right way, you obviously are just looking for the easiest way and don't want to be here that badly. If you go through the proper process, I will openly invite you into this country as an American. I'd welcome you with open arms. Give you a ******* fruit basket or some **** , I don't know.
User avatar #132 to #130 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
Look, I agree with you that people should come to this country legally and stay here legally, if they're going to stay. And the shouldn't forge their documents. No **** .
But the illegality of their presence here does not necessarily make them less productive. It also doesn't make them evil. They didn't come here because they are malicious, they came here looking for jobs and opportunities that they couldn't get in their home country, in order to support themselves and their families.

Your bit about gangs is a different matter entirely, as most gangs are not made up of illegal immigrants (although I guess it depends on where you live). The reasons for the racial disparities in crime and poverty is a complex discussion that has little or nothing to do with inherent racial characteristics and more with the cycle of poverty, the aftermath of segregation, the development of racial subcultures, drugs and the drug war, welfare, etc.
User avatar #141 to #132 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
(cont'd)

"In the situation you named I expect the kid to see all this around him and say "damn... I want to get the hell out of here ASAP!" and focus more on school so he can get out... if he knows that this cycle of poverty exists it's all the more reason to break it."
First of all, even if he does manage to graduate, the school did not equip him with sufficient skills to be a valuable worker or even to attend a decent college. He might come out without adequate math skills or even full literacy, and it's very difficult for someone like that to find a well-paying job. In many cities, minimum wage doesn't even cover half the rent of a small apartment.
What often happens in the worst ghettos is people simply do not plan for the future, because they do not expect to live long enough for it to matter. For that reason many of them start using drugs as an escape, which obviously makes things worse.
And then all this delinquency and despair and violence and drug use integrates itself into the culture of the neighborhood, and as it becomes increasingly normal it also becomes harder to resist.
And then when you have kids, your kids will likely go through the same things and have the same problems, and in the long run it gets worse and worse.

I go to college in Baltimore, and this exact thing actually happens in West Baltimore and other neighborhoods in the city. The reason for the racial correlation here is largely because the city used to be heavily segregated, and the de jure and de facto disadvantaged black neighborhoods became the ghettos that exist today, post-segregation. And it got even worse as the middle-class black people did just what you said and moved out of the city, taking their skills with them.

There's also something called social identity theory, which is why races tend to form cohesive groups based simply on shared ancestry and appearance.
User avatar #140 to #132 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
"There are people here who want to support their families as well but can't because of illegal immigrants"
Really? Do you have evidence that this happens?
By hiring cheap labor, private businesses are able to lower costs and therefore increase profit. With higher profits, they can afford to lower prices and also to expand and therefore create even more jobs while increasing production. Since illegal immigrants are usually low-skilled and have limited English proficiency, they aren't suitable for every position and are usually used for manual-labor type jobs, while low-skilled Americans are pushed toward jobs like cashiers or waiters which require more communication. It's not strictly a "stealing our jobs" scenario.
I'll also point out that the jobs were not yours to begin with. You're not entitled to be hired, and private businesses don't owe you anything.

"Yes it doesn't show causation 100% of the time, but the majority of the time it does. Almost every time practically. So much so in fact that the chance that it doesn't is basically dismissible entirely."
Not only is this logically fallacious, it is also incorrect.
Suppose you read this stat:
"In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."
That implies that having a gun makes you more likely to be ******** . But maybe those gun owners have guns because they live somewhere where they're more likely to be ******** . How can you tell from the statistic alone?

"I will not research those factors at all, i'm going to focus on the undeniable math and statistics and facts"
Then frankly you are an idiot and your research is worthless. You're not trying to observe reality or discover anything, you're trying to validate your own opinion. The fact that black Americans commit a disproportionate number of crimes does not tell you why that is the case, and that is insufficient data to form a conclusion.

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#139 to #132 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
There are people here who want to support their families as well but can't because of illegal immigrants. I have absolutely no sympathy for them what so ever. The thesis is if there is racial predisposition to crime, which there is, and I will prove it. Like you said, it'll discuss whether there are certain races that are inherently prone to crime. which there are. That statement that EVERYBODY uses is so ******* stupid. Yes it doesn't show causation 100% of the time, but the majority of the time it does. Almost every time practically. So much so in fact that the chance that it doesn't is basically dismissible entirely. I will not research those factors at all, i'm going to focus on the undeniable math and statistics and facts. I have the statistics behind my claim. They are all excuses anyway. In the situation you named I expect the kid to see all this around him and say "damn... I want to get the hell out of here ASAP!" and focus more on school so he can get out... if he knows that this cycle of poverty exists it's all the more reason to break it.
User avatar #138 to #132 - Ruspanic (02/10/2013) [-]
Reached the reply limit here as well.

"Fixing their own country" is much easier said than done, and it's not something that the average family feels itself capable of doing. They don't set out to fix their country or ruin ours, they just want to support their families like the rest of us. Breaking the law shouldn't be the way to do it, but the motive warrants some sympathy.

What's the thesis of your paper? That certain races are inherently more prone to crime?
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Perhaps you should investigate some of those factors I mentioned earlier, instead of dismissing them as excuses.
It's all well and good to preach personal responsibility, but people aren't islands and our will isn't purely free. We are susceptible to outside influences and act accordingly.
If you live in a poor inner-city neighborhood, attend a low-performing and underfunded school, and are constantly surrounded by gangs and drug users - all through no fault of your own - do you think you're likely to go on and become a successful entrepreneur or something?
#136 to #132 - anonymous (02/10/2013) [-]
They should try to fix their own country and not make ours worse. Like I said, the bad aspects of illegal immigrants far out way the good and it's just not worth it. We have our own people, legal citizens, who want to feed and support their families but can't because of Jose over there. And in my criminology class in college we talked about all these different reasons why more minorities join gangs and all I hear is excuses... Honestly. All they ever talk about is excuses as to why they are criminals. I'm actually writing my end of the year research paper on racial predisposition to crime. I have all my statistics and facts and **** . gonna be a fun paper to write.
#27 to #26 - abdullahmag (02/08/2013) [-]
last i heard, USA was built by immigrants.
#35 to #27 - anonymous (02/08/2013) [-]
White, English speaking Americans. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
User avatar #92 to #35 - mrthezho (02/08/2013) [-]
The pacific railroad was built almost entirely by Chinese immigrants.
User avatar #8 - kyorochan (02/08/2013) [-]
Mario before his plumbing career.
#10 to #8 - beroty (02/08/2013) [-]
It's Luigi   
Can't u see the green hat????
It's Luigi
Can't u see the green hat????
User avatar #29 to #10 - laspussy (02/08/2013) [-]
Looks more like Lopez to me
#11 to #10 - kyorochan (02/08/2013) [-]
****					, I guess he lost some weight by then.
**** , I guess he lost some weight by then.
#12 to #11 - beroty (02/08/2013) [-]
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it's over on the #25
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#6 to #4 - timtimtimtim (02/08/2013) [-]
I think it is because people that are immigrated tend to hang outside Home Depot for work, and this one gentleman wanted him to get painted.
User avatar #70 to #6 - GrAdYmEx (02/08/2013) [-]
Nicely put, Im glad you all said immigrants and not mexicans..
User avatar #7 to #6 - waffies ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
when i came around you had the correct answer and a red thumb.... info for vexaton and pyra too, that is indeed the joke.

Immigrants wait for work, he offered a "job", turned out to be modeling for a painting
User avatar #64 to #7 - vexaton (02/08/2013) [-]
Well then... Thanks for bringing me here. Kind of a lame joke, but oh well
#9 to #7 - timtimtimtim (02/08/2013) [-]
Why, thank you young man.
I don't know why I got red thumbed, maybe because of poor language.
English is my 2nd language.
Thanks though!
User avatar #3 - vexaton (02/08/2013) [-]
I don't get it...
#2 - notquitesolidsnake (02/08/2013) [-]
I couldnt hold in the laughter
I couldnt hold in the laughter
#1 - zionsype (02/07/2013) [-]
HFW
User avatar #90 to #1 - brehon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
The nose is now like a wart or something.
User avatar #96 to #95 - brehon ONLINE (02/08/2013) [-]
that face is awesome
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