Pretty much. Because i love how this is going... Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die o fuck it


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#7 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die only for their religion.    
For example, the Romans persecuted the early Christians not because they were creating a new religion, but because they were preaching against Roman rule.   
Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live perfectly well together for years--even in Palestine, of all places--because they traded with each other.   
Trade is the world's greatest peacemaker.
Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die only for their religion.

For example, the Romans persecuted the early Christians not because they were creating a new religion, but because they were preaching against Roman rule.

Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live perfectly well together for years--even in Palestine, of all places--because they traded with each other.

Trade is the world's greatest peacemaker.
#42 to #7 - yomommabinshoppin (02/03/2013) [-]
I am willing to die for my belief....just sayin
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#335 to #211 - yomommabinshoppin (02/03/2013) [-]
Well jeez, I understand nobody cares but I feel like it needed to be said, I don't understand your reasoning behind the sarcasm
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#400 to #376 - yomommabinshoppin (02/04/2013) [-]
Are you trying to be funny now?
#401 to #400 - Visual ONLINE (02/04/2013) [-]
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User avatar #129 to #7 - robertolee (02/03/2013) [-]
Trade is a great peace maker but it is also unfortunately one of the leading causes for poverty.
User avatar #215 to #129 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
No, that's the opposite of what trade does.
User avatar #264 to #215 - robertolee (02/03/2013) [-]
Infact, if you want an exam of how trade can go terribly wrong just look google NAFTA.
User avatar #261 to #215 - robertolee (02/03/2013) [-]
Well no, trade blocs, trade tariffs and barriers. Trade isn't this magical thing with no downfalls. The EU has such high tariffs for countries outside of the trade bloc it prevents LEDCs from selling commodities at competitive prices. When trade blocs dump their product on the market it lowers prices massively meaning other countries don't make a profit. This is basic Human Geography, the fact that people are thumbing me down shows their lack of understanding on this subject, my question in my Geography exam 2 years ago was "All trade is beneficial" Discuss.
User avatar #281 to #261 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
This very comment proves my point correct. You're confusing "trade" with the way countries handle or regulate trade. When a nation or group of nations closes off trade to outsiders (or makes trade more difficult), those outsiders don't benefit. If those outsiders were able to trade with them, they would benefit. You said it yourself.

The only reason people trade with each other is if they believe that trade will make them wealthier. So whenever a trade occurs, the overall wealth goes up. And I don't mean "wealth" strictly in a monetary sense. For instance, when you buy groceries at a store, the store becomes wealthier monetarily, and you become wealthier in the sense that you are no longer hungry. Both parties have benefited from the trade.

That is why all trade is beneficial, because it can only happen when it's beneficial.
User avatar #288 to #281 - robertolee (02/03/2013) [-]
England, being part of the EU trades with the rest of Europe, we buy more than we sell, trade is only beneficial if you're selling more than you're buying. This is one of the many reasons we are having a referendum in 2016 on our membership of the EU.
User avatar #318 to #288 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
Now, I'd love to talk more, but it's Super Bowl Sunday here in the States (the FA Cup of American Football), and the game starts in 30 minutes. I need to be off.
User avatar #306 to #288 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
No, trade is always beneficial--even if you are buying more than you are selling. Selling more than what you buy only makes you monetarily wealthier.

I mean, you also have to ask what England is buying. Now, if this CIA World Factbook is correct, England mostly imports manufactured goods, machinery, fuels, and food. Those things are hugely beneficial to a nation. And the fact that it imports a lot of pre-manufactured goods is a sign of success--a sign that the people have more money than what they need to spend on consumer goods.

And don't forget that not all of a nation's wealth comes from foreign trade. England does a pretty good job of being self-sufficient from trade within its own borders.
#237 to #7 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
the difference is that the worst thing that happens when atheists try and convert others is that people get pissed off
religious conversion and missioning has caused (and still causes) a whole lot of suffering
#240 to #7 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
we have a winner everyone
User avatar #9 to #7 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
very few people.
allah ackbar
User avatar #10 to #9 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
The 9/11 attacks were a direct response to US interventionism in the Middle East. The US was (and is) a threat to the power of pro-Sharia Islamist leaders (notice the "ist").
#13 to #9 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (02/03/2013) [-]
You might want to note that they don't follow the Qu'ran very well. The Qu'ran, even more so than the bible, preaches tolerance in all things to near-buddhism levels. It's ridiculous. They scream about God and all the like because it's their religion, but they fight because of various sociopolitical reasons.
User avatar #216 to #9 - masterboll (02/03/2013) [-]
oh u so silly

you cant give a badass comeback a 9 out of 11, it only goes up to 10
#148 to #7 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
Horray free-trade! I assume you, too, are not a fan of nationalism and statism?
User avatar #177 to #148 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
Statism--of course not.

Nationalism/patriotism--I treat it the same way as common pride. It's okay to be a little bit proud of who you are and where you came from. But it's important to not let it get out of hand. I mean, I live in the US (in case you didn't guess) which is both the most and least patriotic country in the world. We celebrate our independence by blowing **** up and lighting things on fire, but we also can't stop criticizing ourselves. It's not the worst duality to have.
User avatar #193 to #177 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
Well like I was typing earlier: Nationialism teaches you to hate people you've never met and feel pride in accomplishments you had nothing to do with.

It's old baggage.
User avatar #198 to #193 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
Like I said, "it's important to not let it get out of hand".
#156 to #148 - munchman (02/03/2013) [-]
Are you retarded? It has been proven that genetics are not something static. Your upbringing and the environment you are raised in has impacts on your DNA and in your Genetic code, thus changing who you are.
You are who you are thanks to your country and your parents, and the country is what it is thanks to your parents and your ancestors, and your ancestors are who they are thanks to the country again.
If you were born in an African "pot" you can bet you would be very sad you weren't born in a first world "pot" instead.
User avatar #175 to #156 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
"Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you never met and take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever"- Doug Stanhope

This guy is awesome. ^.^ Here's the video in case anyone was curious.
#178 to #175 - munchman (02/03/2013) [-]
You do realize Patriotism does not equal Nationalism don't you?
User avatar #180 to #178 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
To me its the same. what's the difference?
#185 to #180 - munchman (02/03/2013) [-]
If i were to put it in an analogy, Patriots are religious people, Nationalists are religious extremists.
User avatar #187 to #185 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
So sheep and the shepherd?
#189 to #187 - munchman (02/03/2013) [-]
No. Umh, how do i explain it. Patriots are people who love their country and thus work to improve it, and nationalists are the same thing as patriots, only they take it too far.
User avatar #207 to #189 - bulbakip (02/03/2013) [-]
Well I like that. Hey I'm learning something today. I've had a bad experience with my country (US). We are in wars, we have a poor economy, we have health problems, the list goes on; and I feel it is because patriots (people who want to better thier country) elect nationalists (politicians who manipulate us for their own personal gain). and the whole system is called Statism.

I don't blame people who want to better their community (how could I? So do I). It's just disheartening to see good people being mislead by manipulative crooks.
#212 to #207 - munchman (02/03/2013) [-]
The thing is, i live in a country which is not Nationalistic, and you have to understand that nationalism/patriotism drives people to go further. While in other countries most of the people pay their taxes and work hard, in my country (Portugal), corruption, tax evasion is rampant, which causes the country to have a huge debt problem. If the people were more patriotic, they'd pay their taxes, they'd work a bit harder for their country. As it is now, everyone just cares about themselves.
#50 to #7 - nyawgga (02/03/2013) [-]
I learned something useful today!
#289 to #50 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
Don't just use his opinion as yours, make your own
User avatar #208 to #7 - masterboll (02/03/2013) [-]
funnyjunk - 1
atheism channel - 0
#394 to #7 - abcdxyz (02/04/2013) [-]
I love you. No homo
I love you. No homo
#395 to #7 - mattkingg **User deleted account** (02/04/2013) [-]
Did you know that Romans used to call Christians atheists, because they only believed in one god.
User avatar #17 to #7 - gildemoono (02/03/2013) [-]
Hell even the crusades werent very religious. The pope had to sign papers legally allowing knights to pillage any place they went to get anyone to enlist.
User avatar #8 to #7 - allamericandude (02/03/2013) [-]
Anti-flamewar disclaimer: I'm not religious, or "anti-atheist", but I like to point out bs when I see it.
#287 to #8 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
What is the name of the guy in your profile pic. I've been trying to remember the name of that cartoon/flash game for the longest time.
User avatar #307 to #287 - electricbaby (02/03/2013) [-]
Homestar Runner
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"color the jerseys"
#268 - gibroner ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
I'm about 99.9999% sure napoleon never said that
User avatar #84 - noodlelover (02/03/2013) [-]
"i take rock hard ******* dumps and make hitler suck my hairy hard cock and balls pussy ass faggot YOLO ***** twochanzzz fegget ****** ****** "

-Abraham Lincoln
#340 - azinfoo (02/03/2013) [-]
A fair interpretation, however a religious war isn't anymore ridiculous than any other war. You're either fighting over religion, greed or just plain stupidity. The only war I would see reasonable is a war where all humans, regardless of religion or nationality, unite against aliens to preserve our existence. ******* Halo style.
User avatar #345 to #340 - ningenpoop (02/03/2013) [-]
What about if your fighting a dictator who is killing innocent people.
#353 to #345 - azinfoo (02/03/2013) [-]
What I'm saying is human beings have no reason to fight each other. For example, in WWII, the Allies were fighting the Nazis to stop Hitler from conquering Europe and killing everybody who wasn't an Aryan. The Allies had a logical reason to fight but what about the Nazis? They were just guided by antisemitism and Hitler's propaganda which obviously aren't valid reasons to start wars.
User avatar #355 to #340 - asasqw (02/03/2013) [-]
There is also wars that people do not want and are forced into. Such as for resources or trade
#369 to #355 - azinfoo (02/03/2013) [-]
A war for resources or trade... Does that not fall under the "greed" category?
User avatar #380 to #369 - srskate (02/03/2013) [-]
You could put it under survival as well.
#381 to #380 - azinfoo (02/03/2013) [-]
The world has enough fresh water, food and energy for everybody. Unfortunately, the majority of the Earth's resources belong to a small minority of people.
User avatar #383 to #381 - srskate (02/04/2013) [-]
Not all of those resources are accessible and they certainly weren't throughout history.
#384 to #383 - azinfoo (02/04/2013) [-]
But I'm not talking about throughout history. I mean now, in our civilized, 21st century world.
User avatar #385 to #384 - srskate (02/04/2013) [-]
It still applicable in third world countries and such. Warlords don't arise when people are content.
#356 to #340 - necrolaugh (02/03/2013) [-]
...(Halo Style)...
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User avatar #41 - lazypaul (02/03/2013) [-]
''This is some ******** , napoleon obviously never said that. Do people actually beleive everything they read on the internet?'' -Usain Bolt
User avatar #382 to #41 - srskate (02/03/2013) [-]
What if this quote is legitimate and lazypaul is just Usain Bolt's funnyjunk account.
#386 to #382 - lazypaul (02/04/2013) [-]
Don't tell dem my secret mon.
#387 to #386 - srskate (02/04/2013) [-]
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me.
User avatar #46 to #41 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
"Trust everything you see on the internet"- George W. Bush
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User avatar #291 to #290 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
knock knock
#300 to #291 - pariahlol (02/03/2013) [-]
I figured it out, you're a religious troll. You're just sitting in the comment section of religious ********* posts, and you're just stirring the **** pot.
User avatar #305 to #300 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
you were supposed to say "whos there"
#311 to #305 - pariahlol (02/03/2013) [-]
i'm not the person who you were saying it to
User avatar #317 to #311 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
well then you ruined it
#366 to #317 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
**** You
#11 - zakvanloocke (02/03/2013) [-]
I've had a ton of imaginary girlfriends. I've even had an imaginary threesome. And I imaginary disappointed them too.
User avatar #44 to #11 - theuglypanda (02/03/2013) [-]
At least your imaginary girlfriends got you imaginary laid. Mine just wanted to imaginarily watch the Notebook
#213 to #34 - extremistavenger (02/03/2013) [-]
Holy **** , that was one of the most compelling arguments I've ever seen up to date!
Mother of god, that must have taken you weeks, no, MONTHS to prove such valid points, establish your thesis, and solidify your conclusion. I say, you have to publish this piece or work right away!

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#238 - ponymeat (02/03/2013) [-]
I cant even.
I cant even.
User avatar #239 to #238 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
your so late i dont even....
#241 to #239 - ponymeat (02/03/2013) [-]
I'm done. I'm not doing this with you again.
I've already proven you an idiot once. That's enough for me.
#243 to #241 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
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yea sure you did...
#37 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
after much research, i have come to the conclusion that this is indeed false.
Napoleon Bonaparte had never made this statement and is more than likely an attempt to garner enthusiasm for the atheist cause. this is further reinforced by the fact that napoleon himself believed in a god (he was known as a deist) and showed much respect for the catholic church and was incredibly tolerant of other religious views.
#38 to #37 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
(also napoleon is misspelled in the content)
#258 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
Sad post. Not very good quote. I don't believe in any religions either but this is classic stupid *Proud atheist* post.
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User avatar #33 - goldenglimmer (02/03/2013) [-]
You know what I don't get? Atheist missioning. There is so much criticism coming from the Atheist community towards religion, and there is an uprising among atheists attempting to "convert" people who don't share their philosophical mindsets.

I mean, isn't this irony at its finest? Religion is like a penis, right?

Missionaries at least have one excuse: they genuinely believe they are bringing you the word of God, and the love of a heavenly father. They are doing what they are doing out of love more often than not. It's irrelevant if their faith actually is the objective truth in this universe, this is what they believe.

What are you doing? Desperately trying to spread your poisonous nihilism in the form of offensive, condescending cheap shots? What on earth do militant Atheists get out of shoving their "religion" down other people's throats?

Religion Philosophical mindsets are like a penis...
User avatar #227 to #33 - ohgodmysides (02/03/2013) [-]
I guess some people are just concerned by the actual harm that some believes cause.
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Like telling people to pray instead of getting actual treatment.
Also teenage suicide rates, rape cases, STD, and similar are higher in religious societies.
Alonside the suppression of some atheist people in the States, that get thrown out of their job or home, because the family/boss won't accept them.

I actually like people who want to convert others out of love.
But I can also see where atheist "missionars" come from, when trying to get others away from religion.

IMO, People should just stfu and believe whatever they want to.
But this is our world, and it's a good chance that the person next to you is a prick, who wants to shove his penis down your throat anyways.
That's just a literal dickmove and doesn't depend on whether you are christian, atheist or think aliens are real and on this planet. An excuse doesn't make it better either.
#236 to #33 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
I agree with you, as an atheist i don't promote atheism, but instead promote science, humanism, and secularism
User avatar #267 to #33 - melioracogito (02/03/2013) [-]
I actually used to be one of those scumbag atheists, but then I read "Kittens" and "Twilight of the Dawn" by Koontz and realized that I was being a total ******* moron.
User avatar #336 to #33 - monkeysniper (02/03/2013) [-]
Personally, I don't have a problem at all with religion itself, the problem is when a group tries to force it upon you or argue that they are right simply because they said so, in an ideal world people would share their ideas, think about it, and move on with their lives.
#70 to #33 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
"Atheist missioning" seeks to undo thousands of years of lies, corruption, and atrocities committed by religious people.
Religious missionaries have a misguided form of love, in the same way that a man beats his disobedient wife out of "love."
We aren't attacking religion with cheap shots, we attack religion with facts. The "cheap shots" just help us to recognize and empower each other.
Beliefs are not reason and facts.
Philosophy is the love of wisdom, which does not include being willfully ignorant of facts and reason. Belief is acceptance without evidence. No matter how hard the religious side tries to spin atheism into a religion, it is not; it's the absence of religion.
People that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the difference between belief and facts are just being willfully ignorant. And there are only one proper response to willful ignorance: ridicule.
#52 to #33 - thewotch (02/03/2013) [-]
Not that I'm for people bashing each others beliefs, but you really want us to have a reason? How about creationism not being taught at schools, gays being allowed to marry, no more stoning women in the middle east...? Want me to continue?

Yeah, christianity is getting a lot of more than others, but it's also true that most of us are from places where christianism is the most extended religion. If you want an atheist to point the flaws of other religions, just ask, and I'm sure there will be one willing to tell you.
#95 to #33 - anon (02/03/2013) [-]
Right, because most atheists are nihilists. Congratulations on being an ignorant **** .
User avatar #86 to #33 - yojo ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Well the main reason I'm glad I became an atheist is because I no longer have to dedicate so much time from my life to absolutely nothing.

But I do agree with what you said about missionaries. I hate missionaries of all kinds.
User avatar #319 to #33 - mynameisfoo (02/03/2013) [-]
i think i actually love you
User avatar #35 to #33 - daniboyi (02/03/2013) [-]
Every group have its retards and smart people.
I just learned to keep my mouth shut unless I am asked directly over what I think.
#329 - tehphire (02/03/2013) [-]
mfw this whole comment section
mfw this whole comment section
#173 - jibbernut (02/03/2013) [-]
Strange, its my imaginary friends that normally tell me to kill.
User avatar #255 to #173 - nebraksa corn (02/03/2013) [-]
hence religion
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#27 - duudegladiator (02/03/2013) [-]
The best part of reading things from this channel, is a bunch of people who say they don't believe in God, talk about and read about God more than most casual Christians.    
You guys are wasting your time, people believe or they don't. Stop trying to do what Missionaries are doing and keep your thoughts to yourselves.
The best part of reading things from this channel, is a bunch of people who say they don't believe in God, talk about and read about God more than most casual Christians.

You guys are wasting your time, people believe or they don't. Stop trying to do what Missionaries are doing and keep your thoughts to yourselves.
#39 to #27 - dwarfman (02/03/2013) [-]
You I like.
#323 - failmastergerg ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Napoleon said that religions were useful in war. The quote in the content was said by someone else but Im too goddam lazy to go confirm the ********
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