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#206 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
this argument makes sense in theory , but with all the gun posts all over the internet I think im finally ready to say something about this particular argument. There is a difference here. It's customization ability. I think that's what politicians are getting at. I am in the military and one of the advantages we gain from the m4 carbine and the m16 rifle are he abilities to modify the weapon based on mission necessities. Laser sights scopes, flashlights, bipods, pistol grips, foregrips, trigger mods, suppressors, collapsible stocks, and a bayonet. And it could all probably be done effectively in a single set-up. This is a capability I would like to see removed from the streets and I think this may be what politicians against assault weapons are after(even if they're are to stupid to properly relay that to the public. And if not this is their best argument so your welcome.) But I do enjoy guns, and I recognize that if i give up this capability to obey the law a criminal may use this against me in his or her disregard for the law. So even though it is a potentially valid argument, I am still ultimately against it. Pic related.

tl;dr its just like my opinion man!
User avatar #706 to #206 - xadakk (02/01/2013) [-]
You would be horribly surprised what a roll of ducttape can do...
#741 to #706 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
I did consider that and you'd be surprised how unrealistic that really is. Even if you took the time to do that and say you used extreme patience to level a laser sight and such, afer a few minutes of firing the adhesive on the duct tape would begin to wear out and the extra parts would not be effectively held in place for long.. and if it was even remotely effective you would see it all the time since it would be significantly cheaper than buying tactical modifications that are attached to a rail.

Disclaimer: ive never used duct tape to secure anything to a weapon so its just a theory of what would happen. But i do know that in basic training we used duct tape to identify our weapons and we were specifically told not to use duct tape on the barrel or hand guard to avoid damage to the weapon.
#288 to #206 - funmanigro (02/01/2013) [-]
you can easily replace the stock on the mini-14 and slap a rail on it.

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#357 to #288 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
thats exactly what i mean, though. Once you add the rail it would be heavily custimizeabe and therefore banned. scopes are ok they are needed for hunting. even flashlights have a pretty practical use. And you can slap some of those on without a rail. the only reason you need a rail though is to heavily customize, or easily customize the weapon. at that point it is liable to be turned into a viable high tech weapons system. by adding the rail you've changed the weapon in the exact same way i described as being the difference between the two up there. in caliber, they may be the same. you could even slap high capacity magazines on either. But, the one that offers more customization is potentially a more deadly weapon.
#408 to #357 - funmanigro (02/01/2013) [-]
so what you're saying is ban all weapons? even hunting rifles?
#744 to #408 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
not even close. What I'm trying to say all caliber weapons are legal just the ability to mod them beyond necessity should be illegal.

Example: AR 15 with old school flat handguard legal. Ar 15 with rail hand guard illegal. Or at least something very close to this effect. I know it's a fine line but its the same idea of street legal and not. At some point modifications on your car become illegal to use even though the base of the mods, the car itself, would otherwise be legal to use.

Now again this is what I believe the politicians should be striving for if they plan to ban"assault rifles." Also believe that even though they are failing to convey it effectively, that this is the main basis of their atttack against gun.

Lets also keep in mind that the 2nd ammendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms FOR THE SECURITY OF THE STATE.!! Now that being said, IF IT WERE my decision, I would allow all of these mods and require that it remains on your own property at all times and the only reason it should otherwise be removed from your property is to change residences, or to repell a tyranical govt, weather foreign or demestic. That way you can even still protect yoour home with high tech home defense system( a right I think everyone should enjoy). AND you can defend the nation just like the constitution suggest. Then you can either de modify it or take a second weapon hunting with your scope and rail-less gun.
#745 to #744 - funmanigro (02/01/2013) [-]
what if a home intruder comes in my house in the middle of the night? a mounted flashlight would be a good option. It also decreases the chance of property damage/friendly fire, so you want something that makes us safer illegal?

#747 to #745 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
did you read what I wrote??? What i suggest allows you to keep that weapon in your home... Also the previous posts are my opinion on how gun bans should be implemented if no other course of action becomes available to the government. If they do it it should be on the customization not the weapon itself. But I like my idea better since it allows for greatest measure of home defense.
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#273 to #206 - techketzer (02/01/2013) [-]
All of these are available for Mini14s as well.
#214 to #206 - anon (02/01/2013) [-]
In effect, non of these customization with the exception of a larger magazine making it any more deadly. Sure some of these things allow for more control, or easier acquisition on a target, but really only the mags and silencers should be somewhat regulated, but not outright banned.
#209 to #206 - anon (02/01/2013) [-]
All those are to do with ergonomics, it's okay for you to own a gun just as long as you're mildly uncomfortable shooting it?
#218 to #209 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
While these things can be applied to the other rifle i must reiterate it could effectively all be put onto a single weapon at the same time with the weapon system that contains rails and other customization features and used effectively by a shooter who knows what they are doing.
#223 to #218 - anon (02/01/2013) [-]
I can put everything you described on a 10/22 let alone a mini 14.
#215 to #209 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
its not all ergonomics. a flashlight increases visibilty and can decrease vision for opponent . laser sight helps aquire target quicker. scope can increase effective range. bipod can stabilize recoil and produce quicker follow up shots. A trigger mod can effectively increase the ability of a shooter to maintain a steadier rifle while pulling the trigger. suppressors decrease visibility and sound signature. bayonet, while maybe silly, CAN possibly increase lethality and silence at close range(not too concerned about this one but still a possibility.) And a collapsible stock can increase mobility in close quarters and then extend to increase stability at range. All of these can increase a shooters effectiveness not just his or her comfort. but again outlawing it wont take it out of criminals hands so im still against its "ban".
#222 to #215 - anon (02/01/2013) [-]
The people who use flashlights are going to be people in their homes during a break in, and it would be roughly the same without a laser considering the people who did these mass shooting were firing mostly from the hip not aiming, recoil on a semi auto ar-15 is laughable already, i've literally never seen a ar-15 with a bipod where I live ever, and a trigger job isn't that big of a deal on the average ar it gives MAYBE a half an inch better grouping, suppressors are heavily regulated anyway, and bayonets, let's say you ban those, you don't think the uber commando you just described isn't going to bring a knife? And the stock, are you ******* serious, that's 3-4 inches, hardly a game changer,
#360 to #222 - frijoles ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
I never said that these tools have practical uses in certain situations, but no one outside of a wartime situation needs a rail system and weapon that can potentially carry all of the mods at once.
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