remember when i was 19. .. 19 year olds in military - extremely well-trained paid soldiers with countless hours of training and who are mentally and physically screened to make sure they  Guns
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#1 - John Cena (01/10/2013) [-] "deadbeats" make excellent soldiers.
User avatar #2 to #1 - ryanisgrreat (01/10/2013) [-]
It's making a joke towards Michael Bloomberg, not towards military.
#3 to #2 - John Cena (01/10/2013) [-]
And i was being sarcastic.
User avatar #6 to #3 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
How am I supposed to tell, anon?
#4 - John Cena (01/10/2013) [-]
they are military trained 19 year olds, not ordinary college students
User avatar #5 - cullenatorguy (01/11/2013) [-]
19 year olds in military - extremely well-trained paid soldiers with countless hours of training and who are mentally and physically screened to make sure they were right for the position.

average 19 year olds in college - irresponsible kids who love partying and hanging out with friends, getting drunk/getting high, and with no real need to be responsible at all past the point of making it to class and studying. The average 19 year old is not responsible enough to keep a gun.

Also, watch "The War You Don't See." It's quite enlightening on just what the military does over seas.
User avatar #7 to #5 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
Have fun re-integrating into society after military service.
User avatar #10 to #7 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
I'm going to take a guess you have no family that's ever been in the military or you have never served.
User avatar #11 to #10 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
My father went to boot camp, which was obligatory in the days.

Otherwise I'm not interested in being a mercenary.
User avatar #9 to #7 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
May I ask your opinion on soldier's reintegration into society? I have seen my buddies reenter society with no real problems, and those whom cannot handle it whatsoever as well.
User avatar #13 to #9 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
Well, let's put it this way: if you've been several years on the front, not only are you prone/likely to suffer some form or another of shellshock, but you are also basically incompetent (un-professionalized) in social branches of activity.

In other words, if I was an employer, I would ask you "so what do you know to do?"
User avatar #22 to #13 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
I don't understand, there are some really smart guys whom go infantry. Sure they are the grunts, but it takes a pretty smart guy to be an effective squad leader; not to mention that they are college educated officers...there is a lot these guys need to know.

You learn skills from the military; even the grunts. People like this work well under pressure, have an incredible work ethic, have combat training, and learn to work in a team as a coherent whole. These guys do they jobs that many of us would have no business doing.

Also, the military has more college degrees than the general average of the US population. I have seen combat vets come out of service, go to school and become very successful people. Just because a man chooses a job like that, it doesn't make him stupid.

Heck, my buddy's brother and his fellow Marines graduated in the class that served in Fallujah in Iraq. You know what? Some of those guys came back changed, who wouldn't? But many of those guys are doing very well now. Many of them are in the State Patrol and love their jobs. A couple became engineers, mechanics and some even stuck with the trades of their fathers. Heck, Doc decided to become more than a Corpsman and is studying to become a real doctor right now...

Now, I am not trying to put you down, and I am trying to not be an asshole, I am just sharing my side of the story. If I was an employer, I would take preference to veterans over all else. They have proven themselves trainable, disciplined, have strong work ethics, and can work well under pressure.

Just my $.02
User avatar #24 to #22 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
Thanks for your input.
User avatar #30 to #22 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
You're not understanding my point. Your work ethic may be perfect, like your team work skills.
But can you be an accountant? A company manager? Anything related to marketing? What post inside a company would suit you best?

And State Patrol isn't exactly "social branch" of employment"
User avatar #31 to #30 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
It all goes back to schooling, if you get the schooling since the military pays for it, you can do (not going to say anything) a lot of different options.
User avatar #32 to #30 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
What says that you cannot be any of those things? What makes your current experience any better than that of a veteran? I mean, what if the guy's niche is firearms related and he has training in that feild? Just an example, he could be part of marketing because he knows the market very well and what sells.

What exactly do you mean by a social branch of employment to be exact, out of curiosity?
User avatar #33 to #32 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
Ah, ryanisgreat, just provided a WAYYYYY better response than I.
User avatar #17 to #13 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
I can't tell if you're ignorant or just stupid. There's more than one job than just Infantry ("on the front") and asides from there, per capita, there's a higher percentage of military members with college degrees than there is the general popular of the United States. Your dad, I'm guessing, badmouthed the military because he washed out for something and now you have this **** perception of military members and how they are "basically incompetent in social branches of activity."
User avatar #18 to #17 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
No, you ******* .

Back then military service was obligatory, for about a year or so. Who the **** are you to assume that he "washed out"?
You aren't even from the same country as me, so you wouldn't even know that the said obligatory military service was a steamy pile of **** , they didn't teach you anything but to be obedient, with fat officers that have not seen a day of action in their entire lives shouting orders at you.

And the one badmouthing the military is me, purely due to my reasons alone.
If military service is not obligatory and you voluntarily enlist, you're nothing more than a mercenary.

But do please tell me when exactly during your military service do you have time to actually study for college?
User avatar #19 to #18 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
That's too bad for your daddy. Cry me a river. When do I find time? Every day I find time. Currently I'm trying to get my Bachelor of Science in Sports and Health Sciences, thanks for asking. Sure, call me a mercenary, I'm still more of a man for willing to do what you won't. By the way, the reason my profile says I'm located in Germany is because I'm stationed in Germany with the US Army.
User avatar #20 to #19 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
I couldn't give a rat's ass about your profile information.

Soooo I take it you're gonna be a) a gym teacher or b) a nutritionist of some sort. Good for you.
User avatar #21 to #20 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
Seems as though you do because you looked at it and assumed I was from a different country. Ohh no sir, not a gym teacher nor a nutritionist. Currently I'm lining up a job with Smith & Wesson for when I get out, then I'm going to proceed to get a masers in Kinesiology then get a job as an Exercise Physiologist. What's your plans for the future? Hopefully moving out of mom's basement soon?
User avatar #26 to #21 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
Well, if you didn't tell me that you're from US, the whole "your mom's basement" stereotype would have betrayed you. Why? Because only Americans have that mental image.

FYI I left my mom's house about two years ago. I've also been working for 4 and a half years, haven't yet managed to stick to a university long enough to finish it (and considering the number of university-graduates here that can't get a job, I'm much more thankful that I have a job rather than a degree).
My plans for the future? Finally complete an university, than look for a job better paid than the current one, either inside the company I work at now or somewhere else, college related.

Anyhow, like I said, good for you.
User avatar #27 to #26 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
Good luck with your future plans, I hope the best for you.
User avatar #35 to #27 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
Thanks and same to both of you.
User avatar #34 to #26 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
I hope all goes well for you. Despite our disagreements here and there, we are all brothers in one way, shape or from.

Take care of yourself, I hope you can complete your schooling soon.
User avatar #23 to #21 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
How did you land that sweet ob with S&W, if I may ask? Sweet gig, IMO. My brother in law was stationed in Germany for a while. What is your job?
User avatar #25 to #23 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
I'm a 91F (Small arms/artillery repairer) So I'm very familiar with the M16 and other weapons system so I called S&W and scheduled a future interview for when I get out. If you want more info, PM me.
User avatar #28 to #25 - thewellhungarian (01/11/2013) [-]
I may take you up on that offer in the future, but I am trying to get into the Marine Corps at the moment; I am just waiting for paperwork to process. I do not possess the skills that a company like that would be looking for, but I hopefully will one day.

My dream job is working outdoors every day or working for one of my favorite knife manufacturers. If my profile pic doesn't give it away, cutlery is a big interest of mine.

Thank you for answering my questions, btw, it is most appreciated.
User avatar #29 to #28 - ryanisgrreat (01/11/2013) [-]
You're welcome.
#8 to #7 - mazztricks ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
why would soldiers have to re-intergrate? it's it's not like we have no social lifes.. >_<
User avatar #12 to #8 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
Oh really?

And in what social branch are you professionalized? Besides being a guard at a mall or in a security company or something?
User avatar #15 to #12 - mazztricks ONLINE (01/11/2013) [-]
i'm combat life saver (sort of medic) + im an combat engineer. enough jobs.
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