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User avatar #71 - qauronexoforce (01/03/2013) [-]
Despite the fact that they are not even close to being similar principles do you have any idea how morally retarded it would be to deny people free information and learning?
User avatar #12 - brokendownpm (01/03/2013) [-]
I've purchased so many games after I've torrent'ed them. I mean its like having a full size demo, its awesome.
User avatar #131 to #12 - nogphille (01/04/2013) [-]
i can't thumb this up enough..

i've bought practically every game i've torrented and played for more than 24 hours and still enjoyed..
hell, i just spent 20€ on tropico 4.. a game i wouldn't have even known about if it wasn't for piracy..
User avatar #207 to #131 - brokendownpm (01/04/2013) [-]
Same happened to me with borderlands 1.
User avatar #28 to #12 - yunablade (01/03/2013) [-]
I started buying games after getting a job as repayment for all those torrents...

Of course, bad games didnt receive a penny.
User avatar #206 to #28 - brokendownpm (01/04/2013) [-]
Exactly! You should only purchase good products!
#1 - DolittleFourTwo (01/03/2013) [-]
Because you are too young to remember. It happened in the 50's
User avatar #7 - chrolt (01/03/2013) [-]
Because there is still a finite amount of books, unless they start scanning in every page and then copy it.

Piracy allows for potentially infinite recreations of one bit of data, while books, though they may be free still have to be sold individually from a publisher, and even if it ends up at a library the publisher still profitted from it. True you could lend the book to an infinite amount of customers, but not at the same time, and it's not nearly as effecient as piracy.

Incedently i think calling it "piracy" is rather dumb. It's just theft, it's not like people intercept and raid data packets filled with music/films/etc.
#17 to #7 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
also the author or whoever owns the rights of the book gets paid a little for every time it is borrowed. at least in Finland
User avatar #21 to #7 - Nameloc (01/03/2013) [-]
I could see why people pirate movies they already own.
Thinking on pirating Inception so I don't have to deal with the excessive DRM **** .
I recorded myself attempting to play Inception just now...As it's uploading I am still un-able to play it.

screencast.com/t/zpbcv67Evi

Midway through the video the Warner Bros Digital Copy Manager wanted to update, which set off my firewall thinking it's suspicious. (My firewall rarely does this..)
Also it failed to find Inception...When it was the one that placed Inception there in the first place.

When companies go to such excessive lengths to stop piracy, it only increases the urge to pirate it.
#40 to #7 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
The Mises Institute recently started putting all its books online for free and because this invites in new readers who don't want to pay for books to actually start reading and later buy books once they become avid readers the institute's book sales skyrocketed. The music and book industry are a little different because there are different uses for online books and physical books, but the same principle basically applies to musicians with live performances and albums. Just look at the Grateful Dead, they went out of their way so fans could record their performances with as high quality as possible and they were incredibly successul. IP is a useless joke.
User avatar #156 to #7 - wolfmango (01/04/2013) [-]
future movie plot?
User avatar #13 to #7 - Scorch (01/03/2013) [-]
I think you also pay membership to the library...
User avatar #22 to #13 - Nameloc (01/03/2013) [-]
You only pay Libraries if the book is extremely over-due or damaged when you return it.

Unless your country is different about this.
User avatar #32 to #22 - Scorch (01/03/2013) [-]
oh right, just looked it p, i guess they both apply to me....
User avatar #20 to #13 - Blarge **User deleted account** (01/03/2013) [-]
what no you don't
#42 to #7 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
Lawschoolfag here,

Theft is legally defined as intentionally depriving someone of their property. As the original copy remains in the possession of the original owner piracy cannot be legally defined as theft. themoreyouknow.jpeg

User avatar #76 to #42 - failtolawl (01/03/2013) [-]
hence why it's called 'copyright', intended to go against copying, not stealing.
#45 to #7 - kotos (01/03/2013) [-]
I like to be a PIRATE!
I like to be a PIRATE!
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User avatar #85 to #83 - kotos (01/03/2013) [-]
no I sing along too :3
User avatar #109 - itrooztrooperdown (01/03/2013) [-]
Piracy is killing the music industry.

The music industry is killing music.

Fair enough.
#2 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
because you don't KEEP the books from the library. The Library bought them and you give them back.
User avatar #4 to #2 - tarmorman (01/03/2013) [-]
One person buys the music and then distributes it.
Same difference, anon.
#9 to #4 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
When you're done borrowing a book from a library, you have to return it. If you don't, you have to pay for it. When you pirate music, you keep it. It's yours. You have no inclination to go out and buy it because you already have a copy that you can use at any time and never have to return.
User avatar #197 to #9 - tarmorman (01/04/2013) [-]
With a library, all you have to do is call them to renew it. Music just saves you on your phone bill.
User avatar #16 to #2 - continuo (01/03/2013) [-]
As long as you give them a call you can renew them forever meaning there is no need to give them back,at least you can do that here,dunno 'bout other places.
#89 - rodneyabc (01/03/2013) [-]
Honestly I'm sick of all this pro piracy ******** , I do it all the time but don't go making myself out like I'm some sort of saint.

Get the **** over yourselves, you're exploiting a loophole in the system to swipe what amounts to pocket change from a multi-billion dollar industry, you can stop spewing this diarrhea all over the internet trying to justify it to the world, we honestly don't care.
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#100 to #89 - uphill (01/03/2013) [-]
Seriously, this. If you're a pirate, just accept that you are hurting the producer, there is no justification for it. I mean no one can really stop you, so you're just deluding yourself.
User avatar #67 - Viggiator (01/03/2013) [-]
Well, libraries are paid by taxes and fines... So the books get paid for?
Seriously this post is just stupid, sorry to say.
User avatar #86 to #67 - dearleader (01/03/2013) [-]
at libraries the books are paid for once and then a lot of people get access to them. Pirating 1 person pays for it and a lot of people get access to it. what is the difference?
User avatar #92 to #86 - Viggiator (01/03/2013) [-]
First of all I personally think the big difference is cultural. Many of the books and libraries, educate people, students can use them for their studies for example, so that is a thing worth supporting. However, some people may disagree that it's everyones responsibility, so my second argument will be;

The difference between piracy and libraries where i live, is that the authors and libaries get money support when they have their books at libraries. And some of the most downloaded files at piratebay, have been downloaded thousands of times. And never paid for (or maybe once) . I'm not saying I don't pirate a movie sometimes, but at least I don't complain it's illegal.
User avatar #96 to #92 - dearleader (01/03/2013) [-]
i'm not complaining about the legality but my library is mostly fiction, it even has video games, anime, movies, cds, etc. It is not very educational.

My library purchases a copy of the book and that is all of the money that author will ever see. the library then charges fees for late books and over a long enough span will eventually profit off that item
User avatar #33 - foelkera (01/03/2013) [-]
because you're supposed to return books to the library or else you pay a fine for it
User avatar #36 to #33 - beanmaniac (01/03/2013) [-]
so what if we rent games for like 100$ a year (in israel a public library is free to use as long as you are registered) and each week e return the game after we finnish it,it would still harm the game maker's pocket!
#30 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
....i literally cannot comprehend how some one can come to this conclusion.............
#35 - schnizel (01/03/2013) [-]
Imagine you made something, and not getting paid for it.
Frustraiting, isn't it.
Well both sides have something right.
People made it and must be rewarded for it (payed).
But in this world we are living in not many people can afford programs such as Photoshop, or download a new OS.
Software and hardware must be cheaper, to that it will be available to the masses.
Long live socialisam!
#93 to #35 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
Imagine making something that no one else is allowed to sell, even though it's very similar to other things out there. Then imagine selling that thing over and over and over again at an inflated price that invariably plummets after 2 or so years.
#113 to #35 - anon (01/04/2013) [-]
*paid
#41 to #35 - viperious (01/03/2013) [-]
Do you find it awkward that the most pro-capitalist economic and philosophic organization, the Mises Institute, puts as many books as possible in online text format for free, and a sizable number of free audio books. Intellectual Property is monopolistic and anti-capitalistic because ideas cannot be owned because they are not scarce goods. If you don't believe me check it out, their literature section has thousands of books available for free and it grows daily. Long live true Capitalism, not the ******** fascism/corporatism of America. I challenge you to find one socialist website or publication that nears the size of their free online literature library.
#64 to #35 - tyraxio (01/03/2013) [-]
SOCIALISAM FOR THE WIN!
User avatar #123 - CRosBY (01/04/2013) [-]
That's ******* retarded. When you take a book home from the library you don't install a copy into your bookshelf then return the original copy.
#133 to #123 - Xepheros (01/04/2013) [-]
Wait, you don't?
#39 - thelordofrepost (01/03/2013) [-]
Because Libraries paid to get the books in the first place and if you don't return the book within a certain period of time you have to pay for it.
#124 - anon (01/04/2013) [-]
Libraries buy books from the book companies, libraries are funded by the township.
User avatar #136 to #124 - sketchE (01/04/2013) [-]
they also profit off of distributing a purchased item. pirating distributes a purchased product for no profit
User avatar #142 to #136 - phoenix grinder (01/04/2013) [-]
authors get paid for the more libraries their books are carried in. do your homework
User avatar #148 to #142 - sketchE (01/04/2013) [-]
and downloading and distributing music at no cost to the recording company increases interest. increasing concert showing which is the biggest and most important part of the music industry
User avatar #150 to #148 - phoenix grinder (01/04/2013) [-]
..one point at a time. explain to me how a library or 'non profit organization' profits from giving you books for twelve dollars a year. any idea what loft space goes for?
#55 - Brouwera (01/03/2013) [-]
Replace 'Piracy' with 'Spotify'. Problem Solved.
User avatar #61 to #55 - zigzagderpaderp (01/03/2013) [-]
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User avatar #63 to #61 - Brouwera (01/03/2013) [-]
No I just ******* love that ****
User avatar #66 to #63 - zigzagderpaderp (01/03/2013) [-]
you know, i have spotify but i honestly prefer having my music in my itunes library and listening to it from there
User avatar #69 to #66 - Brouwera (01/03/2013) [-]
I don't see how in God's name that would be better, but you're entitled to that opinion.
User avatar #73 to #69 - zigzagderpaderp (01/03/2013) [-]
it's not haha idk i like having it on my itunes. easier to just transfer it to my phone
User avatar #74 to #73 - Brouwera (01/03/2013) [-]
That's true. You have to pay to get Spotify on your phone and you can't sync it like with iTunes. So that's a valid point there, my friend.
User avatar #75 to #74 - zigzagderpaderp (01/03/2013) [-]
Now that i think of it, it could be a good tool to use to preview albums before i d/l. I've downloaded a bunch of albums only to find that they weren't worth the hours of downloading time (I have very bad intranet)
User avatar #212 to #75 - Brouwera (01/08/2013) [-]
If your bad internet is good enough to stream Spotify, I'd say it's definetly worth it!
User avatar #29 - corundum (01/03/2013) [-]
Pirates typically spend a ******** of money on the entertainment industry.
User avatar #37 - brockyboi (01/03/2013) [-]
Because we aren't ******** .
User avatar #25 - johndapro ONLINE (01/03/2013) [-]
I remember when they said the VHS would destroy video business, because then you could just tape the movie instead of buying it. They also had this add before the movie that said that is was illegal to tape it.


good old days
User avatar #6 - tonkkax (01/03/2013) [-]
Libraries have video games and movies too.
User avatar #14 to #6 - aahrg (01/03/2013) [-]
I knew they had movies, but where the **** do i have to go to get a video game at a library?
#18 to #14 - anon (01/03/2013) [-]
a.. uhm. a library?
User avatar #31 to #14 - tonkkax (01/03/2013) [-]
I'm not too sure about the video games, but my good friend used to loan strategy games and all kinds of stuff from a library.
User avatar #24 - mynameisgeorge (01/03/2013) [-]
Probably because libraries are funded by the town they're in and music companies rely on profit.

Also, there are far more people that work for music companies/stores than libraries, so it's a bigger aspect of the economy.
User avatar #26 to #24 - stanleys (01/03/2013) [-]
And authors rely on royalties from book purchases
User avatar #27 to #26 - mynameisgeorge (01/03/2013) [-]
And music store clerks, packagers, factories that make the discs, record companies, radio stations, and countless other businesses greatly outnumber the amount of people that work on books.
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