Aint that the truth!. .. Sit the down because it's time for some childhood psychology and behavior management. What we have here is a misunderstand of the following terms: discipline an
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#31 - therulethirtyfour (12/27/2012) [-]
Sit the **** down because it's time for some childhood psychology and behavior management.

What we have here is a misunderstand of the following terms: discipline and punishment. There is a difference, one which is not made above.

Spanking is what's called "positive punishment" because you're adding a stimulus (the "positive") in order to reduce a behavior that the parent views as adverse (reducing a behavior = punishment). It's been proven over and over again that punishment without the use of positive reinforcement (adding stimulus in order to increase a behavior) is not as effective as punishment when paired with positive reinforcement. Punishing a child for an adverse behavior will most likely cause that child to engage in avoidance or escapist behaviors; they won't perform the "bad behavior" (at least in a way they will be caught) and will behave in a way to avoid the spanking. Positive reinforcement promotes good behavior. Instead of having kids avoid adverse behaviors they are promoted to perform good behaviors.

Discipline is most effective when both reinforcement and punishment are present. For example, spanking can be used when a child performs an adverse behavior (such as swearing or stealing) but reinforcement should be used when they do well (such as good grades, telling the truth). When punishment is the only discipline used then kids will not know how to act; they'll only know how to not act. When replacement behaviors (behaviors that are designed to replace adverse behaviors) are not present there's a behavioral vacuum created in which kids will default to adverse behaviors.

So, OP, spanking alone will not prevent little ***** from being little ***** . Being a good role model, reinforcing positive behaviors, and showing them how to be decent human beings will.
User avatar #49 to #31 - ctenop (12/27/2012) [-]
I agree, not a single thing can be applied definitively to the psych, especially that of growing up. Parents who follow rules to the dot could have a ****** up kid, others could not do so well, and spank and hot could have an amazing bond and great family. Parents should no whats best, none of us can complain. I liked the wording of the positive reinforcement, where negative reinforcement makes them not be bad, positive makes them want to be good. Studying psychology, and this was very interesting to me :)
User avatar #50 to #49 - ctenop (12/27/2012) [-]
excuse my spelling errors :L ****
#67 to #31 - anon (12/27/2012) [-]
I dont know what u wrote there, because im to lazy to read everything.
but u look very intelligent so take my thum.b i think i can trust u
u probably wrote smth good.
#125 to #31 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
You seem knowledgeable on the subject so I thought I'd ask. Would it be okay to use negative reinforcement instead of punishment? Or would that be going too easy on the child?
User avatar #399 to #125 - therulethirtyfour (12/28/2012) [-]
Negative reinforcement is not punishment. Negative reinforcement would be removing a stimulus in order to promote a behavior. I cannot think of a good example right this moment; I think that nagging is one. Nagging a child to clean their room, for example, is negative reinforcement because when the child cleans their room the nagging (an annoying/adverse stimulus) stops. The removal of the adverse stimulus when the behavior is performed would define a negative reinforcement program.

In regards to parenting, it would be very difficult to implement a negative reinforcement program. Basically negative reinforcement promotes short-sighted behaviors and escapist behaviors, which do not make for long-term changes. It can be effective in the short-term, but I doubt it's usefulness in the long term.
#415 to #399 - anon (12/30/2012) [-]
Right, thanks for the explanation. I thought it was giving rewards for good behaviour but not giving them for bad behaviour e.g. I'll take you to McDonald's if you're good. But then when the child is bad, not taking them. But I'm not sure. But if it's just for the short term then thanks!
User avatar #186 to #31 - randomlunchbox (12/28/2012) [-]
So what happens if only positive reinforcement is used and not any form of punishment? That's how i was raised....
#335 to #31 - alldaypk (12/28/2012) [-]
take this to indonesia
#371 to #31 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
Thank you B.F Skinner
#194 to #31 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
sciencedaily . c om/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm

Also, it seems spanking lowers IQ, and no doubt spanking, but bad parenting, is more at fault. If you need violence to educate you're missing something else. Teach them to think, and they will understand why its wrong.
#34 to #31 - NhuckCorris (12/27/2012) [-]
Your post, I like it.
Your post, I like it.
#42 to #34 - therulethirtyfour (12/27/2012) [-]
Thanks friend. Sometimes a little bit more knowledge and context helps bring the truth to light. I hope my previous post was informative and helpful. Have a good day.
#56 - sweetellie (12/27/2012) [-]
My mum never hit me and I still have manners and decency.
My mum never hit me and I still have manners and decency.
User avatar #63 to #56 - blasthardcheese (12/27/2012) [-]
You are one of the few people who were born as a decent human being.
User avatar #57 to #56 - nikkeem (12/27/2012) [-]
Hey! You did 'nt mention your dad
#58 to #57 - sweetellie (12/27/2012) [-]
He's dead..
He's dead..
User avatar #61 to #58 - nikkeem (12/27/2012) [-]
The gif, brought me to tears...
#59 to #58 - jukajuk (12/27/2012) [-]
Sorry to hear that, bro. :c
#62 to #59 - sweetellie (12/27/2012) [-]
It's fine, really..
It's fine, really..
User avatar #53 - axtinguisher (12/27/2012) [-]
Heck, OP is right - if we spank kids to death they won't grow up! Brilliant!
User avatar #209 - bitchpleaseshutup ONLINE (12/28/2012) [-]
I was beaten as a kid and now I'm showing sociopathic tendencies My dad was an alcohol.
User avatar #211 to #209 - thecjism ONLINE (12/28/2012) [-]
what kind of alcohol was he?
#23 - imcoolashell ONLINE (12/27/2012) [-]
=====the kid being spanked looks like he's having the time of his life
#25 to #23 - anon (12/27/2012) [-]
It was probably OP....
User avatar #26 to #23 - zafara (12/27/2012) [-]
That's why America pretty much tried to ban spanking. They said that it might be too arousing to the kid.
User avatar #109 - drolejonque (12/28/2012) [-]
People always get butthurt about these posts.
User avatar #112 to #109 - fuzzysixx ONLINE (12/28/2012) [-]
Hue
#7 - moyete (12/27/2012) [-]
Dat Ass!
#178 - pukingrainbows (12/28/2012) [-]
ITT: people with no kids saying how people should raise their kids
ITT: people with no kids saying how people should raise their kids
#214 to #178 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
Well, they were kids before so doesn't that kind of give them a slight understanding of the concept? Maybe their situation being raised has left obvious marks on them that they can interpret and explain? But what do I know, I'm just an Anon.
#289 - thisotherdude (12/28/2012) [-]
"If your son does something wrong, smack him. If he does it again, smack him harder."
#228 - lasmamoe (12/28/2012) [-]
I respect that people here have been raised with dicipline, and if they think that's the way to go, then thats fine.

However, I have 2 brothers, and the 3 of us were never diciplined nor punished. We didn't have to follow any specific rules, and we were pretty much allowed to do whatever we wanted to.

HOWEVER, my parents are very caring, and they did a terrific job teaching us how to behave properly. My brothers are honestly the nicest people i have ever met, and i like to think that im like that aswell.

My point is that in my mind, "loving and caring" beats "punishing" any day.
User avatar #250 to #228 - psychfouronenine (12/28/2012) [-]
It's all relative. The "punishment" isn't what it is seen as by people that think it's abuse. The main factor in "turning out all right" is the fact that the parents pay attention. Philosophy is secondary to that.
User avatar #174 - TheUsername (12/28/2012) [-]
Beating your kids don't teach them a lesson. Discipline does, and discipline doesnt only mean beating. Beating will most likely make it worse.
User avatar #203 to #174 - hundrings (12/28/2012) [-]
I couldn't agree more. I was never spanked or beaten. not once did my mother lay a hand on me, and she never had to either. She made her role and mine very clear without threatening or mentioning any physical punishment, and I love and respect her even more for it.
#170 - anonymousnorris (12/28/2012) [-]
Any smart parent can come up with a better punishment that teaches the child a lesson, and that isn't physically harmful.
User avatar #138 - shards (12/28/2012) [-]
It's not that simple really. Getting slapped a few times as a child doesn't make all the problems magically go away.
#158 to #138 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
I've never been slapped.
Ever.
I'm 24 now, I'm not a delinquent, I'm not stupid, and I think my parents are somehow proud of what I am.

Slapping is just totally useless.
#27 - kirbeee (12/27/2012) [-]
With the right choice of words, you don't need physical contact to get the point across.
#66 to #27 - RageGuyyourmom (12/27/2012) [-]
See I know you've never had prolonged contact with kids, if you have ever had talk to a four-year-old and tried to get them to stop its very difficult at first. Now if you've raised them and they know that they'll get a time out or something things may change, but many of the ones that only got time outs or talked to went right back and did it again, only when the parents were brought into the equation were the children set straight as they had either or at least in my mind come to one of two conclusions. The first of which is the parent is going to get a call at work and be very frustrated meaning a punishment of some sort would be coming, a spanking now and again I find set me straight so I assumed the same for them. Or that they would be denied something they enjoyed such as TV, Video games, desert excreta which I remember never really worked for me as a kid as I would do it anyways but maybe they are a bit different.
User avatar #86 to #66 - kirbeee (12/28/2012) [-]
Spanking never worked for me. My parents never spanked me, or even hurt me in any way, shape, or form. They gave me a scolding. Not your typical "WHY CAN'T YOU BEHAVE AND GROW UP" scolding, but they reasoned with me and told me why I shouldn't do that. Every now and then I'd talk back, but my dad always said something that instantly proved me wrong and I'd shrink back down into my chair, trying to think of a comeback.

However, my older cousin used to resort to violence all the time when he was babysitting me. I'd do something wrong, and he'd try to lecture me (to no avail, since I was a somewhat stubborn child). After that, he would shove me, or spank me or something. I hate when people even lay a finger on me without my consent (unless it was with good intentions). Even if they were "just teasing", every time someone shoves me a little or pushes me, I would feel a pang of anger. Sometimes this builds up, and I just vent it all out on the nearest object/person. I've injured my cousin several times (but he never fought back), and broke a couple of things like the TV stand. I'm the most stubborn little bitch I know.

tl;dr Violence makes me feel even more rebellious and stubborn, but making me feel guilty or "in the wrong" always shuts me up and teaches me a lesson. I know it's not the same for everyone, but the majority of the people I know are like this too.
User avatar #35 to #27 - ilovehitler (12/27/2012) [-]
Especially if you're the dragonborn.
#36 - NhuckCorris (12/27/2012) [-]
**** yeah dad!
User avatar #39 to #38 - NhuckCorris (12/27/2012) [-]
I don't know what the **** I'm doing...
#134 - anon (12/28/2012) [-]
When I was little tike, my parents beat me with a wooden rod/belt more than occasionally. I look back and I'm pretty sure i deserved it sometimes, but the punishment was never coupled with positive reinforcement or any sort of forward push, and as I grew up I gradually resented them, even to the point of hate. I am now graduated from college, and have not been in contact with them since I entered the university ( I don't even think they know I graduated). Sorry for my rant and I might be in the wrong for avoiding communication, but I'm just saying that punishment isn't as great as the interwebs thinks it is.
#172 - drastronomy (12/28/2012) [-]
Correction
#4 - somethingzzz (12/27/2012) [-]
studies have actually shown physical discipline is bad for a childs physche. it triggers our pain reaction center which tells us to be afraid and to not go near them, while a childs brain is telling them to seek their parents for everything they need. this can potentially create a multitude of issues later in life. while discipline IS important, physical is not the way to do it, it does not teach right from wrong it only instills fear.
User avatar #323 to #4 - lolwutthef (12/28/2012) [-]
you're right bro... i wont get into the whole childhood trauma **** but it just sorta drifts you away from your parents to the point you dont trust them
User avatar #14 to #4 - grahamernazi (12/27/2012) [-]
Studies have also shown that spanking your children up to the age of six is helpful for them to learn obedience. After that age is when they have a greater possibility of turning into a punk **** up.
#11 to #4 - putridgrim (12/27/2012) [-]
Yes, and I'm "afraid" that if I **** up again my dad will beat the **** out of me. So I'd say it works. It really depends on how you beat the kid as my dad has explained, because my 2 brothers and I were beaten as punishment and we've all turned into rather responsible adults.
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