What do you think?. . stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Wayne Lapierre. If you outlaw guns then the only people with guns will be outlaws. What do you think? stops a bad guy with gun is good Wayne Lapierre If outlaw guns then the only people will be outlaws
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#53 - baltman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
If you outlaw guns then the only people with guns will be outlaws.
#274 to #53 - mcfluffykins **User deleted account**
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(12/21/2012) [-]
If marriage is outlawed, on outlaws will have in-laws.
#87 to #53 - sneman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
In my country we solve this by employing citizens to keep law and order, and equip these people with guns. We call this group of people the police. It's not a perfect system but it works rather decent here.
#111 to #87 - baltman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Ever heard of Waco? 75 killed by our government, you so called police. No better reason to own a gun!
#156 to #111 - sneman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I have not heard of Waco, so i looked it up and to be honest i don't really get your argument.

The ATF were raiding a compound belonging to a cult due to suspicion that they were in possession of several illigal modifications of legal guns. It is unknown whether it was an agent or a cultist who fired the first shot, but a gun fight unfolds and people die.

So you're saying that we should be able to buy guns so we can have gunfights with the police when they show up at your house with a search warrant?

It is right that the raid was a major cock up by the ATF people in charge, but i dont see how this tragedy in any way can be an example of why you should be able to own a gun. I think it proves the opposite.

Also if you read my first reply you will see that it is not an actual statement on whether guns are good or bad. I was merely discrediting your statement that the only people with guns in a place where guns are illigal are outlaws. Both outlaws and authorised personel will have guns.
#5 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You know that in the UK we banned handguns, and guess what? You don't hear about people shooting up schools every couple of months here. Must be a coincidence though, banning handguns couldn't possibly make it so less people get shot. Over here, people honestly think you Americans are a little insane with your trying to solve a gun problem by buying more guns. It's just ridiculous to us.
#57 to #5 - baltman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Remember history, jackass...

It was our guns that saved Europe, and your sorry ass, in WWII. You would be speaking German now if it wasn't for our "insane people".
#66 to #57 - garyleneville
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(12/21/2012) [-]
No, it was your troops, the fact that your civilians held guns had **** all to do with it. Also, America should have joined the war earlier rather than wait and let millions of people die.
#123 to #66 - lillpip
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Did you seriously just blame America for the deaths in WWII.....
Did you seriously just blame America for the deaths in WWII.....
#171 to #123 - garyleneville
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Yes because you wouldn't join for ******* ages.
#202 to #171 - lillpip
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(12/21/2012) [-]
It's a ******* world war. Who the **** would see one of those happening and say to themselves "That looks like fun. Let's do that."
#291 to #202 - garyleneville
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(12/21/2012) [-]
UK,Australia,France,New Zealand,Canada,South Africa,Greece,Yugoslavia,Bulgaria,Hungary,Romania,Croatia,Iraq,USSR
#83 to #66 - baltman
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(12/21/2012) [-]
>your troops
Yeah our people.
>the fact that your civilians held guns had **** all to do with it
Yeah it had you moron, people knew how to use a ******* gun, ***** called experience.
>Also, America should have joined the war earlier
Not our fault that you couldn't defend your own people faggot, so please how about you won't teach us how to live.
#88 to #83 - garyleneville
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You should have joined in because there were atrocities being committed...
#91 to #57 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You are the worst kind of American. The kind that thinks they won the war all on their own. Other countries were fighting before the US EVENTUALLY decided to help against Germany, something they should have been doing from the start. Think about things before you say them.
#40 to #5 - techketzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Guns don't shoot up schools, madmen do.
It's a logical fallacy to ban the instrument and think the perpetrator dissappeared.

In other words, consider yourself lucky there's apparently less psychopaths in the UK than the US. That's your actual adnavantage.
#75 to #40 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
oh for the love of...

If you give one "madman" a knife and another one a gun, who do you think are the most likely to go try and kill everyone, and who do you think will kill the most?
#97 to #75 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Somebody knifed 22 kids in china, I'd say a knife is a pretty deadly weapon.
#77 to #75 - techketzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Depends utterly on how crazy they are.
#358 to #77 - Hayzer
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(12/22/2012) [-]
Equally crazy. Your argument's flawed and you're even trying to kid yourself into believing it. Pathetic.
#473 to #358 - techketzer
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(12/22/2012) [-]
Explain how exactly my argument is flawed.
I dare you.
#484 to #473 - Hayzer
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(12/22/2012) [-]
Because, what your point pretty much boils down to is that it makes no difference to violent crime if guns are legal. In the UK, violent crime is actually more common, but gun crime is lower, thus refuting that claim. Gun crime in the USA is so high because it's so easy for petty criminals to get a hold of guns. It IS a problem.
#320 to #5 - trowlernotparas
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(12/22/2012) [-]
you have much less people and britain sux
#6 to #5 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
even if we banned ALL guns people will still find ways to kill others & you can't ban everything that is a danger to others
#9 to #6 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Yes, but guns are useful for little more than violence. Fair enough, you can't ban knives because they're very useful in everyday life, but guns are useful for nothing but killing. I'm not saying banning guns prevents people killing each other, but you can't say it would reduce the number of people one person can kill.
#11 to #9 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
****, wouldn't*
#25 to #5 - natedizzie
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(12/21/2012) [-]
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm
Uk gun crime statistics
www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
Us gun crime statistics
If you look we're about even?
But ya'll ban all guns so how are our gun crime rates even
We even have a larger population So explain that
You talk about our mass shootings but they are committed by mentally unstable people
If we can find out why The UK has less mentally unstable than the US then we can solve the problem
#45 to #25 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You're looking at 2007 for the UK, before handguns were banned. The data for the UK in that article is old.
#61 to #5 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Gun related deaths in the UK and US were within 10% of each other last year. In some states they do need tighter gun laws but a full out ban will not see a major decrease in gun crimes for 30-50years.
#67 to #61 - garyleneville
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(12/21/2012) [-]
That's a lie. Last year the Uk had 39 gun related deaths. You had over 9300. Your population is roughly ten times the Uk's yet your gun crime is around 300 times.
#71 to #5 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You do realize the UK has one of the highest violent crime rate in the world ?

according to this article, that's the total crime reported in the US and the UK however, the US has a population (up to Dec 21 2012) of 314,976,000 and the UK has 63,181,775 (up to march 27 2011) so if we just estimate US population to UK population 5:1 and their crime rate again, US to UK 2:1 our rates are way lower than the UK's GET INFORMED BITCH !

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Besides the fact that your government doesn't even trust you with a kitchen knife

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#92 to #71 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
That proves my point even more. If we have higher violent crime, but lower gun crime then our gun laws are obviously having the right effect.
#73 to #71 - anon
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(12/21/2012) [-]
ht tp://www. nationmaster . com/graph/critotcri-crime-total-crimes

ht tp://en.wikipedia . org/wiki/Listofcountriesbypopulation

ht tp://warnewsupdates . blogspot.mx/2012/12/what-country-has-most-violent-crime.html
#76 to #5 - presidentdave
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Handguns where banned in the UK in 1996 because a school was shot up
#255 to #76 - lazypaul
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(12/21/2012) [-]
eh, no they weren't
eh, no they weren't
#486 to #483 - lazypaul
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(12/22/2012) [-]
I saw you haven't read or understood your own article properly.
#223 to #5 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
lol, controversy.
#294 to #5 - TastyBurger
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I've lived in England for almost 5 years now and for well over a decade in America. Since I've been here in England, I've seen more guns, heard about more people getting shot and seen a lot more problems because of guns, and even more about knives. Hell, two idiots on the bus were openly talking about their gun and even pulled it out, even though there was CCTV camera above their head. And when I lived in the part of Virginia that was almost completely rednecks and ghettos, there was barely anything. I mean a few people showed me their collections of guns and we went out and shot cans outside their house, but I've barely ever heard of crime with a gun over here. It could be a coincidence, but I have notice that the English race in general are "a bunch of angry cunts", in my friend's words. I just don't have a position or a bias, but I have noticed more gun violence since I've been here.
#7 to #5 - scooba
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I'm an American, I wish we had gun control laws like that.
I'm an American, I wish we had gun control laws like that.
#254 to #5 - sirgawain
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(12/21/2012) [-]
If guns were outlawed in the US, the only people with guns would be criminals.
#64 to #5 - jinxbomb
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(12/21/2012) [-]
yeah, but we've not had many guns for decades, thats what made it so easy for us to control them, we still get nutters with guns though from time to time. remember raul moats?
#90 to #64 - Hayzer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Remember how well that was handled though? Do you know how many fatalities there were?
#249 to #90 - lazypaul
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(12/21/2012) [-]
There were 3 over 2 days. Not as bad as over 20 in less than an hour I must say.
#121 - iAmAWizard
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(12/21/2012) [-]
>Say guns are for protection
>Selling assault rifles

Now I'm no expert, but if you need a ******* assault rifle to protect yourself, you're either in the Armed Forces, or you're into some **** that's illegal anyway
#167 to #121 - doodogger
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(12/21/2012) [-]
The 2nd amendment was created in a big part to protect us against a tyrannical government. We can't begin to do that with hunting rifles and shotguns.
#175 to #167 - ferrettamer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I don't see what use an assault rifle would do against predator drones and trained soldiers
#218 to #175 - simplelife
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Tell that to the Taliban who are still fighting, and fighting hard might I add. Also, the US would never bomb their own people. And if they do, you can damn sure bet that another nation would intervene or we would find a way around that. Hitler and stalin took away guns from their people...I wonder why.
#230 to #218 - ferrettamer
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(12/21/2012) [-]
The Taliban use tactics most Americans wouldn't go to, ie suicide bombings, civilian shields etc. Also, they are usually trained for war, where as the American people are not. While you are probably right that they would never bomb their own people, I don't see why you would need to fight them in the first place (coming from a non-American).
#446 to #230 - doodogger
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(12/22/2012) [-]
The 2nd amendment was put in place as a "check and balance" against our government. Our founders knew governments could turn tyrannical, so they let us own any gun we can carry to protect against the government trying to impose what they want on us, and not what we want. If we didn't have guns, they could do anything they wanted without the possibility of any consequences. Maybe an ally would help the american civilians, part of the military would likely fight the government also. It's very hard to explain. Assault rifles are much more effective than bolt action rifles, even in untrained american civilians, it gives us more firepower.
#232 to #230 - simplelife
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(12/21/2012) [-]
You would be surprised what kind of people live in the US. I wouldn't put it past some or most Americans to do some suicide bombings. And a lot of us (Americans) with guns have some kind of formal training with said fire arms. We are war like people, in a way. Taliban are less trained than you're average joe here tbh. Also, if the gov tried to take away our guns...people would revolt. I'd bet anything on it. It's why they are trying to introduce giving guns to teachers instead of making it stricter or banning guns.
#443 to #232 - dueljockey
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(12/22/2012) [-]
please stop acting like you know anything about the taliban and their abillities compared to the average american. its pathetic.
#478 to #443 - simplelife
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(12/22/2012) [-]
I know the abilities of the Taliban from people that have fought them. They are not that trained or organized. They give them a gun show them how to aim it and that's it. The really good ones are the old guys that have been fighting for years and the guys that are trained by the US military. Their main strength is the element of surprise and IED's. Other than that, they don't have ****. You're average American with a gun, is much more trained than that guaranteed. Our people are very experienced. So, please, don't talk ****. And it seems you have it out for me from all the replies. I strike a nerve?
#455 to #443 - doodogger
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(12/22/2012) [-]
Millions of Americans are good shots with guns.
#458 to #455 - dueljockey
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(12/22/2012) [-]
in a calm environment maybe.

when it kicks off though you are more trouble to your own that the enemy.

#466 to #458 - doodogger
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(12/22/2012) [-]
No not really, you really think people would panic so bad that they start shooting their own people? No, ********, I know the trained soldiers would likely win every firefight, but there will be some losses. Think of the Americans who've been to war who are civilians now, think of the strong minded people. There are X factors you know.
#472 to #466 - dueljockey
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(12/22/2012) [-]
not purposely!

it happeneds though stray bullets and panic kill innocents.

not everyone is army material
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#173 to #121 - iviagicbanana
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I occasionally use an M4 or my Benelli (semi aulo 12 guage) for hunting. Game like coyotes and dove. There are other purposes for Assault weapons.
#185 - corundum
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(12/21/2012) [-]
> This whole channel
#204 - pineapplepeople
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(12/21/2012) [-]
Guys, hey, guys, what if, guys listen, what if, guys, what if we stop idolizing guns?
#241 to #204 - Onemanretardpack
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(12/21/2012) [-]
I think it says more about our society as a whole that we idolize objects at all. I mean, I like my guns and think they're awesome pieces of engineering and history, but they're just tools
#117 - vade
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(12/21/2012) [-]
The only thing that stops a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with gun
#296 - shazmothree
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(12/21/2012) [-]
If a kid throws a rock at another kid at recess would the children be safer if they all had rocks?
#309 to #296 - anon
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(12/22/2012) [-]
**** analogy, they aren't comparable.
#315 to #296 - durkadurka
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(12/22/2012) [-]
You'd be much less likely to throw rocks at others knowing they'd throw back.
#346 to #315 - anon
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(12/22/2012) [-]
No. We humans do things to get a response. These psycho ****** that start shooting people don't care if people are going to shoot back at them. They just do it and let the havoc start.
#261 - susinfluenza
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(12/21/2012) [-]
He didn't say it had to fire bullets...
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#178 - mkaymkay
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(12/21/2012) [-]
The only stops that thing bad a gun with guy is good a gun guy a with.