Season 3 in a nutshell. .


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#165 - sotalokki (12/11/2012) [-]
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#155 to #148 - mistorjenkins (12/11/2012) [-]
taric sure needs that armor pen
User avatar #168 to #155 - taric (12/11/2012) [-]
Yes I do.
User avatar #10 - spoonandfork (12/10/2012) [-]
Welcome to the League of Cleavers
#11 to #10 - bbzz (12/10/2012) [-]
******* right, just played Caitlyn. In every teamfight kha'zix was raping me with 4 black cleavers. He killed me in like 3 seconds.
User avatar #12 to #11 - chasskika (12/10/2012) [-]
tell me about it, q did over 1000 damage, even after i had my ga..
User avatar #26 to #12 - sladee (12/11/2012) [-]
i played kha'zix the whole week and i didn't abuse this **** ?
#69 to #26 - anon (12/11/2012) [-]
Kha'zix' Q always did that much damage, with or without the cleavers.
#104 - tibialun (12/11/2012) [-]
earlier today
#131 to #104 - fenfire (12/11/2012) [-]
but the passives don´t even stack, you can´t get more than 25% armorpen... i don´t understand these ppl and they don´t understand this game
but the passives don´t even stack, you can´t get more than 25% armorpen... i don´t understand these ppl and they don´t understand this game
User avatar #139 to #131 - dafunkad (12/11/2012) [-]
the passive stacks,
User avatar #142 to #139 - fenfire (12/11/2012) [-]
i tried it today, you get a max of 25% amorpen but with 2 black cleavers, you only need 2 instead of 4 hits to reach it, got it?
User avatar #144 to #142 - dafunkad (12/11/2012) [-]
no :)
#171 to #144 - anon (12/11/2012) [-]
its limited to 4 stacks no matter how many cleavers you have, they dont stack only the stats do, but for that you may as well grab an i edge and last whisper instead of 3 black cleavers
User avatar #241 to #171 - dafunkad (12/12/2012) [-]
#154 to #104 - gregy (12/11/2012) [-]
and all without them were feeders...
and all without them were feeders...
User avatar #137 to #104 - dafunkad (12/11/2012) [-]

the lack of armor in your team is depressing, even vayne didn't build a ga when the opposing team had only ww with magic damage
#211 - joshofsouls (12/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #249 to #211 - shadowavion (12/12/2012) [-]
theres no reason to have more than 4 you can only have 4 stacks of black cleaver also that build late game does no dmg and doesnt offer enough defensive stats
#116 - improbablyyourdad (12/11/2012) [-]
Stop playing the game?
User avatar #223 to #116 - bronan (12/11/2012) [-]
#228 to #116 - anon (12/11/2012) [-]
That's not how it works
#160 to #116 - reactderp (12/11/2012) [-]
I have. I must say i'm a happier person now.
User avatar #121 - splinfinity ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
I'm the AP mid for my group of friends.. I don't get to join the Cleaver party..
#130 to #121 - northleech ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
I know that feel bro, i know that feel. They nerfed every way to gain mana too, so you cant cast spells as recklessly these days.
User avatar #178 to #130 - splinfinity ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
Although I do like the new Deathfire's Grasp, it really sucks that they nerfed Rabbadon's on me. I usually play Veigar, and it makes me sad having my ult not hit like a truck. I like burst-nuking tanks..
User avatar #197 to #178 - hideyowives (12/11/2012) [-]
lol just farm well and 40 min in you can do 1.5k with your r on a enemy ap,
User avatar #167 to #130 - arkensas (12/11/2012) [-]
but but but Tear...
User avatar #182 to #167 - northleech ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
But tear is not legit on your everyday AP carry.not saying "its not legit on anybody" ofcourse, Karthus for example instantly pops up in my head. Most common mid game that grant mana reg got nerfed. Even blue buff if you count that it got harder to kill.
#13 - remilia (12/11/2012) [-]
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Balance Changes

Black Cleaver
Armor Penetration changed to Unique
Armor Penetration reduced to 10 from 15
Passive effect now reduces armor by 6.25% per stack down from 7.5%

Armor Penetration reduced to 10 from 15.

User avatar #14 to #13 - remilia (12/11/2012) [-]
PS: **** you guys =D
User avatar #16 to #13 - lickilicky (12/11/2012) [-]
Cut and gutted. RIP Talon viability week.
User avatar #89 to #16 - remilia (12/11/2012) [-]
havent bought talon yet, not sure if want.
User avatar #102 to #89 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Still very viable mid with his silence/gap closer.

Not as much top unless going against fizz or someone who's more ap caster heavy.
#176 - anon (12/11/2012) [-]
wrong scene from LoTR
#158 - TwistedBamboozler (12/11/2012) [-]
That's why I like Dota better. I love LoL, but if your team sucks, you are doomed. In Dota you can carry the team a little better and make up for some 			******		 partners.
That's why I like Dota better. I love LoL, but if your team sucks, you are doomed. In Dota you can carry the team a little better and make up for some ****** partners.
User avatar #201 to #158 - beerterror (12/11/2012) [-]
would I be burned at the stake if I say, that I like Dota as the mode to warcraft 3 more?
User avatar #202 to #158 - Timmietim (12/11/2012) [-]
Nah you can carry in league too.
User avatar #220 to #202 - nefarian (12/11/2012) [-]
Ever seen a Sven get ultra kill? I have seen it too many times
User avatar #225 to #220 - Timmietim (12/11/2012) [-]
I played about 2 hours of dota and got sick of it.
Was not fun at all even vs easy bots. Me alone in lane melee , both bots ranged. I died twice or something and i couldnt get gold and stuff anymore.
In a different game someone took the item i got at those stupid secret shops.
User avatar #237 to #225 - TwistedBamboozler (12/11/2012) [-]
Stupid secret shops? lolololol. Dude all of these games STARTED with dota almost 10 years ago now.
User avatar #238 to #237 - Timmietim (12/11/2012) [-]
This is my opinion. I find it stupid.
#230 to #225 - anon (12/11/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but that just means you suck. I've played DotA, HoN, and LoL and I prefer DotA and HoN much more. I'm guessing you jumped straight to the game, no tutorial or anything just straight in and got dominated harder than a drunk Irish whore on the corner of a BDSM store
User avatar #231 to #230 - Timmietim (12/11/2012) [-]
Yeah i guess. Didn't know of any tutorial.

I'll just stick to LoL. And i noticed no one communicates in dota 2.
User avatar #115 - Rolyat (12/11/2012) [-]
i think theyll nerf them because they stack
User avatar #120 to #115 - bendeman ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
already did on beta server, now it works like guinsoos stacking
#80 - kyfvini (12/11/2012) [-]
mfw reading comments in this channel
mfw reading comments in this channel
User avatar #29 - reyden ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
im sorry can someone explain. did cleaver get a buff or something? i have yet to see anyone build one in a game.
User avatar #73 to #29 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Let's say you have an attack that hits multiple times, like pantheons spread out spear thrust or garen's spin, it now procs black cleaver with each hit.

So now BC procs with each hit, AKA 4-6 times. making them lose somewhere from 60-90 armor and lose 30 - 45% of their total armor as well.

tl;dr AD tops wreck **** .
User avatar #153 to #73 - Haugi ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
Max stack is 25%

geting more cleavers stacks more stacks on each attack so that would be max 4 stacks for one attack on 4 cleavers.

on top of the flat armor pen and max cdr ofc...
User avatar #218 to #153 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Not at the moment, that's after the patch because it's not unique yet.
User avatar #248 to #218 - Haugi ONLINE (12/12/2012) [-]
It is worth noting that I seem to be dumb as bread and can't even do basic math.

then again AFTER the patch it will be correct so just leave that there for enough time and I grow right
User avatar #244 to #218 - Haugi ONLINE (12/12/2012) [-]
that's not how unique works

the unique part makes the stacks not go faster by having more of them. having more black cleavers does not change the max stacks whatsoever
User avatar #251 to #244 - noopinion (12/13/2012) [-]
Oh. Not always though, for example, Bulwark stacks if two different people have them.
User avatar #253 to #251 - Haugi ONLINE (12/13/2012) [-]
only on those two people though

much more potent and better example imo would be geting the spellvamp aura in a double ap setup due to that being done on purpose most of the time, I get what you are saying though stacking black cleavers on 1 person would not produce similar results.
#82 to #29 - zennix (12/11/2012) [-]
You are really lucky is the best item in the game right now and its armor penetration passive isn't unique..meaning people can build 5 of them and it all just keeps stacking. Bruisers are doing a **** ton of dmg to everything now..its scary..
User avatar #84 to #29 - deslider (12/11/2012) [-]
Rengar, berserk greaves, 5x cleaver....
1 vs 5 penta kill in 2 seconds.
#71 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
The only reason Pantheon and Talon are so viable right now.   
mfw playing fizz and dodging everything.   
Ap ratios through the roof wut wut
The only reason Pantheon and Talon are so viable right now.

mfw playing fizz and dodging everything.

Ap ratios through the roof wut wut
User avatar #140 to #71 - drulludanni ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
still a huge deathcap nerf
User avatar #215 to #140 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Well I usually play 3v3 or dominion with fizz, except during ranked, which I rarely play.

But in 3v3 and dominion I have Wooglett's which I prefer anyways.
User avatar #226 to #215 - drulludanni ONLINE (12/11/2012) [-]
well dominion and 3vs3 are a whole different game where tha game is hugely imbalanced
User avatar #236 to #226 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
True, although the new 3v3 is more balanced.

I mainly play support or Varus adc in 5v5, unfortunately the only decent support for 3's and dominion is Karma and Nidalee imo
User avatar #247 to #236 - drulludanni ONLINE (12/12/2012) [-]
nidalee isnt really a support tho...
User avatar #252 to #247 - noopinion (12/13/2012) [-]
Her E gives Hp and attack speed, her W is basically free wards if you have decent placement, and her Q is enough harass to make an Ezreal cry.

She's mostly hard AP as a support though, and isn't a great support lategame. But you can push hard enough to win in the first 30 mins assuming you have a decent jungle and adc.
User avatar #254 to #252 - drulludanni ONLINE (12/13/2012) [-]
her e is really inefficient when it comes to mana and if oyu use w as wards thats even more mana you can use all of her spells like 3 times and then you are oom her spears are also really easy to dodge they are like blitz grip except they move slower
User avatar #255 to #254 - noopinion (12/13/2012) [-]
Yet, I still hit with them

Also I build a Tear of the Goddess first then RoA so mana isn't ever an issue.

She's very viable.
User avatar #256 to #255 - drulludanni ONLINE (12/13/2012) [-]
what elo are you at? because you wont ever get to buy roa if you buy wards for the team if you dont take last hits and if you do you arent really supporting.
User avatar #257 to #256 - noopinion (12/13/2012) [-]
1900 give or take, I rarely use her ranked, I let the adc pick what support I play.

She's a very aggro support though, you're right, she's not a one-minded support.

Also I mostly meant catalyst then I build the rest of roa midgame
User avatar #147 to #71 - hemming (12/11/2012) [-]
Pantheon is still an extremely good jungler...
He falls off lategame but his ganks are amazing and can easily ensure that Late game will never happen.
User avatar #217 to #147 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Never tried it, I might have to after they nerf BC, just to see :)
User avatar #81 to #71 - grimindreamland (12/11/2012) [-]
Yup and then they go and remove one of the staples for tanks magic res, FoN, the new updates sucks ballsssssss
User avatar #90 to #81 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
Meh, they'll fix it before the official S3 start.

At least somewhat.
User avatar #9 - erethilful (12/10/2012) [-]
4 Warmogs, Mobility boots and Atma's
User avatar #70 to #9 - noopinion (12/11/2012) [-]
I generally go that with sejuani, her w does around 400-600 damage per second for 5 seconds with that.

Sometimes I go one sunfire though.
User avatar #8 - arnoldnorris (12/10/2012) [-]
zed in a nutshell
User avatar #100 - landfall (12/11/2012) [-]
Holy **** , this bandwagon, I've been seeing this **** ingame too
Listen. that passive that stacks up 4? Thats not the problem. you can stack 4 cleavers and youre still just gonna get one stack of four.
The issue is the Cooldown Reduction and Flat Armor penetration are not unique.
So they stack, if you haven't been following,
This turns AD bruisers into one man armies.
If it makes you feel better, they're nerfing it appropriately.
Don't get me wrong, its OP. But people are saying its OP for the wrong reasons.
User avatar #146 to #100 - hemming (12/11/2012) [-]
The passive is not unique, Therefor 1 hit will either apply multiple stacks at once, or you can literally reduce their armor 100%
Haven't tried yet though...
User avatar #181 to #146 - landfall (12/11/2012) [-]
Using more than one black cleaver will make the passive stack faster. However it will still only go up to one stack of four, no matter how many cleavers you use.
So with four black cleavers, dealing physical damage once would immediately bring the debuff stack up to four. Different people with black cleavers will not apply different stacks of the debuff. The passive doesn't need to be unique.
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