Creationists.... .. Anyone who bases their belief against creation on evolution is a moron. Biologist/chemist reporting in. Evolution is not a theory of creation-- a theory of the


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#248 - mooneh (12/08/2012) [-]
I'm agnostic, so.
User avatar #290 to #248 - pinacleofevolution (12/08/2012) [-]
that's what the catholics - and most not retarded christians - say.
User avatar #257 to #248 - RandomAnonGuy (12/08/2012) [-]
I used to get mad when I saw people using agnostic as a position in and of itself. Now I just ask why. You're saying "I'm not absolutely 100% sure of my position" without giving a position. The way I'm looking at it agnostic theist or agnostic atheist is just a better way to go because it actually answers the question "Do you believe in a god"
#307 to #248 - buttershaker (12/08/2012) [-]
Well, you know, the Big Bang theory was made by a Belgian priest from Charleroi who was also a scientist and mathematician. When he came up with his theory nobody believed him, even Einstein didn't believe him! But later on Hubble officially proved that his theory was right, and Einstein later claimed that not believing this theory was the biggest mistake in his life.

Tl;dr religious man originally came up with Big Bang theory

Pic related, it's George Lemaître with Einstein
#269 to #223 - ankh (12/08/2012) [-]
That made me laugh... Wayyyyy too much
#121 - esmebuffay (12/08/2012) [-]
MFW people argue about religion on the internet. Do you actually think you're going to change anybody's mind?
MFW people argue about religion on the internet. Do you actually think you're going to change anybody's mind?
User avatar #284 to #121 - cruzslzr (12/08/2012) [-]
I honestly think that yes you could. Given that a good argument is made it can open the mind of someone else and they can eventually talk to a priest or some religious figure and learn more, and ultimately make the choice to convert or not
I was actually influenced by one of Jehova's Witness
I owe him my life essentially
#123 to #121 - darthblam (12/08/2012) [-]
I once saw an atheist guy convince a supposedly Muslim "man" (may have been a kid) to rethink his belief.. not sure if that counts or not.

I don't have any pics to prove with. It was quite a long time ago... on Youtube of all places.
User avatar #131 to #123 - esmebuffay (12/08/2012) [-]
It stands to reason that in a million arguments one person's mind would change, but I have yet to see it happen. One reason changing people's minds online is so hard is because you can only really talk to them once, even if it's a long conversation it wouldn't necessarily stick with him, plus everybody rethinks their beliefs at some point in life, most people do it more than once, generally they go back to what they were before, whatever that happened to be.
#139 to #121 - pseudobob **User deleted account** (12/08/2012) [-]
Because on the internet, we make fun of people indiscriminately. PS I am agnostic, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson
User avatar #340 to #139 - esmebuffay (12/08/2012) [-]
I'm no atheist (in fact I'm protestant) I'm just more than tired of hearing people flapping their gums, in the end everybody's more steeped in what they believed before, in a bad mood, and resentful of the other party, it's not good for anyone. If people could just accept other people think other ways and leave it at that the world would be better off, and I'd have less of a headache.
User avatar #148 to #139 - RugbyKing (12/08/2012) [-]
Neil de grasse tyson argues against religion, says that it impedes humanity. he does not know of an overlying lord, but he doesnt care.

Here you go
User avatar #341 to #148 - pseudobob **User deleted account** (12/08/2012) [-]
User avatar #394 to #341 - RugbyKing (12/12/2012) [-]
Exactly what I just said, thanks though.
"he does not know of an overlying lord, but he doesnt care"-Agnostic

In the same breathe he discusses how religion is hurting humanity.

My point being that Neil DGT does in fact go out of his way to show that religion is a negative force on humanity in my video and in others. If you're using him as your champion, realize that he does argue against religion, he isn't a "I dont give a **** and i dont discuss it" agnostic. Really if you're using him as an example then you should be like "Hey asshole, you're disrupting science with your Noah's ark ******** ".

Tis all I'm saying... I only disagree with you in the point that NDGT shows discrimination towards certain faiths, which seems to attack the first bit of your sentence.
User avatar #395 to #394 - pseudobob **User deleted account** (12/12/2012) [-]
When I said I'm agnostic like Neil, I meant like Neil, not just, we fit in the same peg. Also I don't see how not believing in a God (or anything spiritual) automatically discounts his opinions. He's an astronomer and educator and, like the entire scientific community, has been completely in line saying that if there is a god, we haven't found it yet.

As a side note I think Buddhism and Hinduism are better in principle than judo-catholic beliefs because they take death pretty much at face value and still manage to convince their believers to be good people, whereas Christianity, Judaism, and Islam act like death is a way out. That is really not something to include in a modern world view.
#72 - diqface (12/08/2012) [-]
Anyone who bases their belief against creation on evolution is a ******* moron. Biologist/chemist reporting in. Evolution is not a theory of creation-- a theory of the origin of the universe. Evolution is the change in allelic frequency over time based on natural selection. It can be thought of as a theory of human existence as it is today, but that's not what Darwin and his colleagues were trying to get at. As for the origin of the universe, there is no evidence either way in the creationist-agnostic/atheist debate. Sure, background radiation and the movement of galaxies away from each other point at a large explosion, but it makes just as little sense to say that based on the movement of the galaxies, we resulted from the big bang and there is no deity. No matter how much evidence we accrue, it will never be directly relevant to the argument, because, when you think about it, a deity could have created us through the processes proven by science. Unless we make a discovery in quantum physics that suggests that matter can be created, there's no argument against a higher being using science to create everything. As of now, it takes just as much faith to believe in spontaneous formation of the universe as it does to believe a higher power influenced our creation. I don't argue for either party, because there is no evidence supporting either thought. I will side with whomever gathers evidence. There's no sense in fighting and being douchebags to each other, when in all reality, we don't know where we came from originally. Right now, I lean toward creation, because I can rationalize it better than spontaneous existence, but there's nothing to gain in tearing each other down for divergent beliefs, unless said beliefs are harmful. Come on, guise. I'm tired of the "trolol Christians r dumb thumbs up" bandwagon. Just leave them be. We should all just respect each other. Not trying to be pretentious about my morals or anything. It just makes me mad.
#110 to #72 - esmebuffay (12/08/2012) [-]
Couldn't have said it better myself, this picture I've had awhile encapsulates your final point about everybody leaving everybody alone. I don't care what anybody's beliefs are, it's their business, and I expect them to show me the same courtesy.
#246 to #110 - mooneh (12/08/2012) [-]
Comment Picture
User avatar #339 to #246 - esmebuffay (12/08/2012) [-]
Sorry, I forgot that thing shrank. I don't remember exactly what the first two said but the final one says simply "I have beliefs".
User avatar #222 to #110 - prepareuranas (12/08/2012) [-]
yeah we can totally see the picture
User avatar #115 to #72 - slippythetoad (12/08/2012) [-]
Read Genesis: Zen and Quantum Physics, it translates the original hebrew text word for word through ancient hebrew hieroglyphs and explains the true theory of newton's law of motion, our misleading view of everything in the bible, E=mc², and buddhist ideology. It sheds a light on creation and evolution, and why we are supposably different from animals. It however is focused towards ancient hebrew archaeology messianic jews but anyone can read it leisurely.
User avatar #111 to #72 - churrundo (12/08/2012) [-]
i agree with everything you say, but don't you think that it's time for religion to stop getting in the way of science? that's when it gets problematic.
User avatar #117 to #72 - slippythetoad (12/08/2012) [-]
I agree completely
#118 to #72 - bigmandan (12/08/2012) [-]
brb, forcing everyone to read this comment.
User avatar #233 to #72 - shadowsspawn (12/08/2012) [-]
You are awesome and you should feel awesome.
#160 to #72 - Pompano (12/08/2012) [-]
Truthfully, there is no evidence either way as to the existence of god. Both sides are making unsubstantiated claims. However, atheists do not build on that unsubstantiated claim. Religious people exploit the grey area surrounding the creation of the universe to invent religious systems that control the minds primitive people.

You should familiarize yourself with the idea of Russel's teapot.
User avatar #280 to #72 - cruzslzr (12/08/2012) [-]
you're pretty smart for someone named diqface
#348 to #280 - diqface (12/09/2012) [-]
Why, thank you, cruzslr.
User avatar #349 to #348 - cruzslzr (12/09/2012) [-]
you misspelled my name
prepare to die, slut.
#376 to #349 - diqface (12/09/2012) [-]
*gasp*...the z...

#378 to #376 - cruzslzr (12/09/2012) [-]
mfw no z
#85 to #72 - afreeti ONLINE (12/08/2012) [-]
#87 to #72 - sailorsmooth (12/08/2012) [-]
Best comment about religion I've ever seen
User avatar #296 to #72 - robertolee (12/08/2012) [-]
Creationists tend to disagree with evolution completely so yes, this picture is completely fine. We know the Earth is older than 6000 years old and that fossil fuels take millions of years to form. You've turned this around as saying a deity could have created us through evolution but that is strictly against what a typical creationist believes, fair enough if someone believes it, I'm not going to stand there and tell them they're wrong because I can't disprove them, but when a typical creationist says Darwin was wrong, the Earth is 6000 years old and humans just popped into existence then yeah you can say they were wrong. I'm not sure how you got on to the origin of the universe from this as this picture only really uses time to disprove creationism that the Earth is older than 6000 years old but I do also agree with you that this Christian bashing is just stupid, if people want to talk about religion in a serious way ask your teacher or go to a debating website. Thanks for reading, I'm not trying to get into an argument with you or insult you, so I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way.
#345 to #296 - diqface (12/09/2012) [-]
I'm not insulted, lol. I know that creationists tend to believe in a young Earth, but I was pointing out that there are a lot of creationists that can accept scientific fact, and that belief in creation is just as valid as belief in spontaneous existence, so bashing creationists is uncalled for. Bashing young Earth believers, I can understand, because there is overwhelming evidence of the Earth being more than 6000 years old. I will say that a 6000-year-old Earth is not out of the realm of possibility, because there may be properties relevant to radiometric dating that we are unaware of, but right now, it is pretty illogical to believe the Earth is 6000 years old. I just don't like reprimanding people for their beliefs, if the beliefs aren't immoral. If someone wants to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, I think that is fine. That person just can't participate in any science that depends on the Earth being 4.5 billion years old. I will say that I thumbed this content because it was funny. I do not let my opinions get in the way of finding humor. Thank you for your reply. I like sparking conversation, lol.
User avatar #254 to #72 - corsairjoshua (12/08/2012) [-]
Has a well thought out reply on the creation of the universe.

Named "diqface"

#347 to #254 - diqface (12/09/2012) [-]
I'm glad my name came as ironic, instead of actually defining my behavior, lol.
#73 to #72 - graydiggy (12/08/2012) [-]
no homo
#74 to #73 - diqface (12/08/2012) [-]
No homo taken
#86 to #73 - fuperbooper (12/08/2012) [-]
We all know it was homo, graydiggy.
#11 - teamrocketninja (12/07/2012) [-]
****** miracles man
#8 - phanact (12/07/2012) [-]
This picture is just a joke, I don't intend to make anyone mad. Please don't hurt me
#232 - avatarsarefornoobs (12/08/2012) [-]
If i had a dollar for every redundant antichristian post on this site, Rockefeller would **** bricks when he saw my fat stacks.

This **** isnt even funny anymore its so overdone.
User avatar #258 to #232 - malevolentspoon (12/08/2012) [-]
Why is this a meme?

User avatar #245 to #232 - enclavesoldier (12/08/2012) [-]
this is not anti-christian, but rather anti- dumb ass. Sorry to hear that offends you
#241 to #232 - pandadiablo (12/08/2012) [-]
Even practically, I don't think I've ever run into anyone my age who is a creatonist (that I've had to argue with). People believe in god, but almost no one has a problem with science.
Even practically, I don't think I've ever run into anyone my age who is a creatonist (that I've had to argue with). People believe in god, but almost no one has a problem with science.
User avatar #263 - FairyGodParents (12/08/2012) [-]
I was about to make a comment on my religious position, but then I realized no one cares.
#198 - anon (12/08/2012) [-]
Side? I am on nobody's side. I came here for funny

and didn't find any
User avatar #156 - morningpanda (12/08/2012) [-]
Unfortunately , this makes me think of the times I spend with my aunt, uncle, and cousins, who DO believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. They also believe "if men came from monkeys, there would be no monkeys on earth today"

That's pretty much an exact quote.. god I hate living in the south.
#192 to #156 - anon (12/08/2012) [-]
"If america was colonized by the british, why are there still british people?"

Of course nobody says that because its retarded and nobody's giving them a free ticket to happy-land for doing so.
#161 to #156 - makeitasyougo (12/08/2012) [-]
that's actually a pretty common argument for people who don't know much about evolution.. not just a southern thing.. however believing the earth is 6k years old is incredibly stupid/ignorant.. as even the bible states that a day to God could/would be eons of linear time bc he exists in all stages of time at once.. i apologize for your relatives ignorance of their own beliefs XD
#200 - komradkthulu (12/08/2012) [-]
Funny thing is, the Christian Bible makes no claim upon the Earth's age. It was some asshole a while back that just made some 			********		 guess off the top of his head.   
As to our existence, science tries to endeavor toward an answer to how, let religion try to make a "why" and don't mix and confuse the two.   
If we did this, we'd all be happy for about five minutes until we found some other insignificant thing to argue over.
Funny thing is, the Christian Bible makes no claim upon the Earth's age. It was some asshole a while back that just made some ******** guess off the top of his head.

As to our existence, science tries to endeavor toward an answer to how, let religion try to make a "why" and don't mix and confuse the two.

If we did this, we'd all be happy for about five minutes until we found some other insignificant thing to argue over.
User avatar #259 to #200 - RandomAnonGuy (12/08/2012) [-]
Half right, the bible makes no direct claim, it was some asshole adding up all the ages of the prophets and stuff to get how long ago creation was supposed to happen.
#249 - youcame (12/08/2012) [-]
I'm a devout Christian, but support/ believe evolution.

Y'know in my thoughts god sort of "kick started" the whole evolution "chain"

Mfw I've read at least 6 or 7 comments saying something along the lines of "All Christians are ******** , and you can't use logic when dealing with them"
User avatar #51 - mrvegeta (12/08/2012) [-]
The way I was explained be creationists is that God put the oil in the ground for us.. A bit arrogant I think, but that's the idea.

Also, when dealing with creationists, you actually just have to throw every bit of logic out the window
#66 to #51 - anon (12/08/2012) [-]
Sounds like the perfect religion for woman (No logic needed)!
User avatar #58 to #51 - Crusader (12/08/2012) [-]
It's not that you have to throw logic away, you just have to use logic similar to it.
I like to argue that the universe was originally 32 black and 32 white zones like a chess board, and that demons lived in the white and we lived in the black and that they are able to cross over and it will be everlasting peace once the Kah-Gash is re-assembled

So basically, I take the entire thing from a fictional book about demons written by Darren Shan.
User avatar #70 to #51 - BIGSEXYISBACKAGAIN (12/08/2012) [-]
If that we're true why wouldn't he make it a little easier to get to. Scumbag god.

******* logic man.
#214 - AquariusCyclone (12/08/2012) [-]
Gasoline has Jesus's blood, which powers our cars. It's the governments fault it's so expensive, why can't they make it cheaper? We can always get more from Muslimistan! God damn government pussies. If we really had an economic crisis we would just sell Canada.
User avatar #195 - newsmyrna (12/08/2012) [-]
I'm Catholic I believe in god and I don't believe the world is 6000 years old the only closed minded people I see on FJ are the people who lump all religious people into one large and stereotypical group of morons. The vast majority of people believe the world is over 6000 years old. Hell I went to Catholic school all of my life and I was taught evolution I was never taught creationism. Even in religion class our teachers who were mainly priest or sisters told us stories like Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark were just stories. They always said there is meaning behind them, but don't take them literally.
#196 to #195 - whatasickname (12/08/2012) [-]
#199 to #196 - newsmyrna (12/08/2012) [-]
I don't care
#204 to #195 - luckodairish (12/08/2012) [-]
**luckodairish rolled a random image posted in comment #361 at Wikipedia Album Game ** But... op never mentioned Catholics or Christians... He was poking fun at Creationists... Calm your tits.
User avatar #209 to #204 - newsmyrna (12/08/2012) [-]
Yea because there are a lot of non Christian Creationist in the Western World.
User avatar #221 to #209 - luckodairish (12/08/2012) [-]
Christian Creationists are the only people he was talking about you cock-juggling thundercunt. And those people statisitcally fill up the ranks of unintelligent assholes. So shut the **** up and grow a thicker skin, and know what you're talking about before you start ******* opening your ************ face.
User avatar #225 to #221 - newsmyrna (12/08/2012) [-]
Whoa there buddy calm down. I read what you said like 5 times and I have no idea what you are even trying to say. Are Catholics suddenly not part of the Christian community? What is a cock-juggling thundercunt? What did I say that led you to believe I didn't know what I was talking about? And finally how did you know I have **** smeared on my face?
User avatar #226 to #225 - luckodairish (12/08/2012) [-]
Not all Catholics are Creationists. Not all Christians are Creationist period. You seem like you're getting offended because he's putting Christians in a negative light. He's not; he's making a joke directed at people who follow Creationism and are Christians.
User avatar #230 to #226 - newsmyrna (12/08/2012) [-]
I'm not offended by the joke. It's stupid I remember when this site used to be funny. Now all it is is the same tired joke one after the other. If its not Murica, Atheist proselytizing their own superiority, or ****** rage comics about stupid situations with awkward people, than it's the flavor of the week stupid **** like hurr durr apple maps will send you off a cliff, or Amanda Todd was a stupid bitch who deserves to die. The only funny **** I see on this site anymore comes from other sites I'm to lazy to peruse through myself. I said what I said because this **** is ******** I could literally copy my comment and paste that **** on another completely different post tomorrow without changing a word.
User avatar #231 to #230 - luckodairish (12/08/2012) [-]
Then why don't you leave?
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