Seems more relevant. It's a retoast, but seems more appropriate now... I love how everyone hates Arabs unless it's about Israel.
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#74 - isradam (11/17/2012) [-]
I love how everyone hates Arabs unless it's about Israel.
User avatar #368 to #74 - kingmaker (11/18/2012) [-]
implying this post isn't anti arab?
User avatar #446 to #74 - finni (11/18/2012) [-]
Wow... That has to be the smartest controversy written in the comments that I have ever read
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User avatar #382 to #21 - finni (11/18/2012) [-]
THANK YOU! This picture is at every ******* content related to: Arabs, Muslims, Islam, Israel-Palestine or terrorism. Its getting old!
#30 to #21 - yowhatsup (11/17/2012) [-]
11 posts and 11 thumbs up just makes your comment immensely awesome.
#88 to #21 - swimmerman (11/17/2012) [-]
Really? I couldn't tell.
#31 to #21 - dagreatmax (11/17/2012) [-]
11 posts and 11 thumbs up
11 posts and 11 thumbs up
User avatar #23 to #21 - darkdanger (11/17/2012) [-]
Why did I check if it were 11 links... what am I doing with my life?
User avatar #56 - gammajk ONLINE (11/17/2012) [-]
One side of the argument:
"ISRAEL JUST STARTING BOMBING EVERYONE AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND SLAUGHTERING KITTENS AND PUPPIES THEY MUST BE DESTROYED FOR THEY ARE THE DEVIL"
Other side:
"EVERYBODY JUST HATES ISRAEL SO THEY'RE DEFENDING THEMSELVES FROM THE EVIL DEGENERATES THAT STOMP ON BABIES' HEADS AND WORSHIP THE DEVIL"

There, I just saved you from reading through the comments section.
#123 to #56 - anon (11/17/2012) [-]
i think i love you lol
#157 to #56 - cartridge (11/17/2012) [-]
If only I could give you all the thumbs and bump you to the top of the comments.
If only I could give you all the thumbs and bump you to the top of the comments.
User avatar #72 to #56 - silasdg (11/17/2012) [-]
That's only one side of the argument.
User avatar #91 to #72 - silasdg (11/17/2012) [-]
I'm not understanding the downvote i'm right.

He gave one side and then gave another "side" which was simply sarcasm based on the first. That's exactly what keeps people from knowing whats going on and is a perfect example of the way the media reports "both sides"
User avatar #286 to #91 - gammajk ONLINE (11/17/2012) [-]
No, my point was that one side is saying that Israel is murdering everybody and the other is saying that Israel is defending itself from everyone trying to kill them.
User avatar #346 - OsamaBinLadenz (11/17/2012) [-]
Getting tired of your **** Hakim...
User avatar #360 to #346 - threedogification (11/18/2012) [-]
This comment made my life. And your username added to it. XD
#85 - Rukioish ONLINE (11/17/2012) [-]
>21st century
>people still hating because of religion
>MFW
User avatar #94 to #85 - vassia (11/17/2012) [-]
Take out the religion,

Israel slaughtering children, women and civilians.
User avatar #119 to #85 - stallwallwriter (11/17/2012) [-]
I'm not exactly a scholar in this area, but I'm guessing it's not even really religion at this point, just so much taking of land and lives over time that people just endemically hate each other.
User avatar #106 to #85 - heartlessrobot (11/17/2012) [-]
See, the problem is countries barely out of third world country mentality have gotten their hands on first world technology.
User avatar #110 to #106 - Rukioish ONLINE (11/17/2012) [-]
No country should have access to the horrible things we call technology.
User avatar #114 to #110 - heartlessrobot (11/17/2012) [-]
Oh, yeah, because we should totally give automatic weaponry and missiles to people who are borderline neanderthals.
User avatar #186 to #114 - futuramafan (11/17/2012) [-]
wait who are you referring to?
User avatar #190 to #186 - heartlessrobot (11/17/2012) [-]
The majority of the Middle East and similar countries. Also, anyone getting violent over Religion is clearly not fit to be a part of modern society.
User avatar #198 to #190 - futuramafan (11/17/2012) [-]
The only country with first world technology in the Middle East is Israel
User avatar #201 to #198 - heartlessrobot (11/17/2012) [-]
And are they violent over Religion? My point stands.
User avatar #300 to #201 - toplica (11/17/2012) [-]
um. yes they are, that's why they're occupying the west bank through violence, because it's the "holy land"
User avatar #209 to #201 - futuramafan (11/17/2012) [-]
yes, I know, I just wanted to clarify that they're the only ones with such technology
#408 - fisheaglee (11/18/2012) [-]
**fisheaglee rolled a random image posted in comment #4 at Army ** What i fired at israel
User avatar #415 to #408 - pataratreyu (11/18/2012) [-]
you fired 'murrica at Israel.. AWESOME!!!
not really
#414 to #408 - tonyri (11/18/2012) [-]
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#14 - fmaestrolol (11/17/2012) [-]
Classic Hakim.
#185 - anon (11/17/2012) [-]
As a history enthusiast, its safe to say that most americans dont know jack **** about the creation of isreal or palestine. Long story short, Palestine was a mandate under British rule after the ottoman empire fell. Some years later, the idea of zionism emerged and didnt go into full effect after WW2. Zionism, in laymen terms, is an ideological justification that the jewish people reserved the right to return to Jerusalem and claim it has their homeland, regardless if some form of civilization already inhabits it. The massive execution of jews was the catalyst that launched the movement of zionism. So right after WW2 there was a gradual expansion of the jewish state known as "Isreal". As this was happening, the land of Palestine and its people slowly started to lose their rights to their land. I believe as of right now, Palestinians own 20% of what was originally theirs. So if you guys ever wonder why people dont like Isreali's Or jews or whatever, there's your answer. Only reason why US supports Isreal as of right now is because Isreal is the forefront of American influence in the Middle East. Sorry for grammar and spelling errors.
#210 to #185 - anoynmuos (11/17/2012) [-]
Slight correction - Zionism has been around since the 19th century at least but you are right It did not gain much support particularly from western(read Britain) nations until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
#197 to #185 - anon (11/17/2012) [-]
****** be actin like people actually care bout sand ****** history
#213 to #185 - nocandy (11/17/2012) [-]
Israel is as much a product of its environment as Hamas is.
I always can't help but laugh when people paint this **** in black and white terms.
#291 to #213 - killingoffstars ONLINE (11/17/2012) [-]
He is partly right but the way Isreal was made is that the Arabs, and Palestine disagreed that made Isreal and Palestine two states. So when this happend anyway all the Arab countries basically said " **** Isreal" and started aggression Which lead Isreal to start spying on its naboring countries with double agents which lead to the Six Day War in which Isreal got what land it has now as well as the Sinai Peninsula, Which they Gave back to Egypt later, And they have been there since. And thats why Isreal is how it is today.
#294 to #291 - nocandy (11/17/2012) [-]
I don't necessarily disagree with him. I didn't intend my post to be a counter-argument. I probably should have worded it better.
#278 to #213 - jujuface (11/17/2012) [-]
Slight correction - You're an idiot that can't help but laugh with everything he disagrees with. Anon up there at least has an insightful and factual argument with some bias thrown in there but you're just spewing baseless ******** and hoping something sticks. Elaborate or GTFO.
#288 to #278 - nocandy (11/17/2012) [-]
>implying i didn't thumb him up.
>implying I intended my as a counter-point to him
>implying I laugh at everything that disagrees with my viewpoint
Why so mad?
#319 to #288 - jujuface (11/17/2012) [-]
1. I didn't talk about thumbing up at all, and thus did not imply anything about it
2. Your what? That's not even a coherent phrase, let alone a sentence
3. It wasn't an implication. I straight up said it
And lastly, now that I realize you're just trolling, I ain't even mad
User avatar #325 to #319 - timmyflayerofsouls (11/17/2012) [-]
Intentionally reading a typo as indecipherable.
Calling a person a troll
I've seen pots calling kettles black before, but damn.
#452 to #325 - jujuface (11/18/2012) [-]
"I intended my as a counter-point "
Still don't understand what he means, not intentional whatsoever.
As for calling him a troll, if any comment permits the use of that word, it's any variation of "U Mad?" which was clearly used. I don't know what else you would call that.
I feel like the definition of the word "troll" is largely exaggerated among FJers, I don't know how I'm the one trolling here. Please let me know when you find out
#328 to #319 - nocandy (11/17/2012) [-]
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that a word lost to lack of proof-reading threw you off and clarify.
I have a minor in communications, a large part of my studies in college was dedicated to the art of making people see things my way. If I was trying to make a counter-point, he'd know.
I'd also recommend you stay away from words like "idiot" and "troll", they only serve the purpose of shutting your audience off from your message and painting you like an ass.
I'm sure you're a decent person in irl and doubt was that your objective.

Also, saying I laugh at two extreme-radical viewpoints concerning a single topic hardly includes "everything"
User avatar #299 to #185 - Ruspanic (11/17/2012) [-]
Here's a few facts you conveniently omitted.
1. At the time of the creation of Israel, about 1/3 of British Palestine's population was Jewish. Originally the Jews were welcomed by the Arabs because they brought skilled labor, technology, and patronage for Arab businesses, but as the Jewish population grew so did tensions between the two groups.
2. The UN Mandate that created Israel originally offered half of the land each to the Jews and the Arabs. The Jews accepted, the Arabs did not.
3. When Israel was created as a state, it was immediately attacked by most of its Arab neighbors, as well as the Arab residents of the Palestinian territories. Israel easily won the war and occupied the territories to defend itself against future attacks. The occupation allowed it to create a buffer zone between itself and its enemies, as well as to prevent attacks from the Palestinian territories themselves.
4. Since the occupation of the territories, Israel has signed peace treaties with many of its attackers. However, the threat from within the Palestinian territories did not go away, and Israel has been attacked countless times by terrorists from the territories (and Lebanon).
5. Many of the terrorist groups seek not merely liberation but the outright destruction of Israel - for example, Hamas, the terrorist group democratically elected as the government of Gaza, wrote that goal into its charter. These groups have turned a conflict over land into a religious jihad and think it's okay to fire rockets at school buses in order to achieve their goals. For some reason people tolerate this because they think the Palestinians are desperate.
6. Though Zionism may well influence the motivations of some Israelis, the primary reason for Israel's actions is defense. Though Israel sometimes uses excessive force to achieve this end, it nevertheless shows remarkable restraint in order to avoid killing innocents. The necessity of its actions will persist only as long as the threat.
User avatar #509 to #299 - bronytarek (11/18/2012) [-]
Here's another, more historically correct lay-out of the conflict:

Before 1881, Palestine was an Arab region, with Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in peace. The region itself wasn't officially called Palestine, but by the Christians of Europe and other international organization, it was called Palestine. It was also called Palestine in colloquial speech of the locals at that time. They were all regarded as Arabs, as the Jews themselves spoke Arabic at home, and were very well integrated into the society at that time. They lived in peace, and no major conflicts occured this time. We'll call these the Old Jews.

In Russia, the Tsar starts pogromming and persecuting the Jews. In the meanwhile in Europe, nationalist sentiments were sweeping across Europe for the past century. The Jews, who in a European Christian context, had always been persecuted in Europe. They were considered a distinct ethnic group, whereas in the Middle-East, Judaism was considered a religion and not an ethnicity. There were varying degrees of mistreatment, from discrimination on a daily basis, to direct persecution. The Jews did not feel themselves at home in this new wave of nationalism, and the general consensus of the non-Jews, was that you either choose to be a Jew, or a national of the respective nation-state. The Jews did not like this idea, and most of them were actually supporters of Communist and Socialist thoughts and ideas, so many of them had very little connection to Judaism. So the Jews of Europe and Russia got together to form and develop a new form of nationalism as common denominator for all Jews. It served as an alternative to the varying forms of European nationalism. They created Zionism. (Zion = Jerusalem). What Zionism essentially did, was it borrowed the Biblical tales and myths about the Jewish people, and secularized it. They secularized Judaism.
Continued below.
User avatar #510 to #509 - bronytarek (11/18/2012) [-]
These Jews started migrating to Palestine. Jews were welcomed with open arms, for different reasons. I've asked my grandfather (who happens to be a Palestinian refugee from 1948) and he told me, and that his grandfather (my great-great-grandfather) said to him, that Jewish immigration to Palestine was a normal thing, and at the start of the Zionist immigration (starting in 1881), people weren't worried about the new influx of Jewish immigrants. They saw it as a part of the renewed European interest for Palestine. (This has since been confirmed in Ilan Pappé's book: Palestine - one land, two people). Prior to the onset of the Zionist immigration, European Christians, banking companies and the like, had started to invest in this land. They brought a lot of new agro-technologies, banking systems and the established new secular/Christian schools. (This disproves the Zionist narrative, that they modernized Palestine) This happened 30 years before the onset of the Zionist immigration.

As the Zionist immigration continued, Zionist leaders saw a problem - Palestine was already inhabited. Also, the Ottoman Empire started limiting the Zionist immigration to the land. They then suggested moving to another empty land. Some of the suggestions were Uganda, or Argentina. That proved to be very unpopular among the average Zionist, so it was decided it was necessary to convince the rulers of the land, the Ottomans. After many negotiations, the Ottomans denied their plans. That didn't stop them though, as they continued to craft a comprehensive and coherent Zionist narrative. And the Zionist leader at that time, Theodore Herzl, chose to align himself with the extremely rich and influential family, The Rotschilds. They started lobbying and pressuring the British government to let them have Palestine. And it succeeded. British foreign minister Balfour declared that he would work to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine in 1917.
User avatar #511 to #510 - bronytarek (11/18/2012) [-]
When the British conquered Palestine, and subsequently got a mandate from the League of Nations, they opened up Palestine for Zionist immigration. Before the proposed mandate was given to the British, The Syro-Palestinian congress demanded the recognition of the "independence and national rule (al-Sultan al-Qawmi) of Syria, Lebanon and Palestine". The mandate was also given on the condition, that the British built up an independent nation-state for the local population. The British accepted, and opened up the country for European Zionist immigration. The tensions then started to grow between the immigrants and the natives (as there happens everywhere in the world) and this resulted in a number of conflicts from 1920-1948. That was during the entire British Mandate. Eventually, the British published the White Paper of 1939, in which a Jewish national home was abandoned, and a quota of 10.000 European Jewish immigrants per year. Though was not enforced completely though, as many many more European Jews took refuge in Palestine, from the Nazis and other European regimes. The Jewish terrorist groups Lehi, Irgun and Haganah started terrorist attacks against the British kim jongistration, including the assasination of the British Minister of the Middle East.

Later, they joined forces, and then carried out several terrorist attacks against the British kim jongistration, the most famous of which, is the bombing of the King David hotel in 1946, where many British officials were residing.
User avatar #512 to #511 - bronytarek (11/18/2012) [-]
The result in 1947, was that the Jewish population had grown to 1/3 of the total population. Though, they only owned 6% of the land, and did not have a majority in any district, except Tel Aviv. The UN proposed a plan, which would give 56% of the land to the Jews, and 42% of the land to the Arabs. The remaining 2% was Jerusalem, and that was to be put under international kim jongistration. The Jews accepted this, the Arabs rejected it. The reasons for rejection were many, but includes:
1. 66% of the population was Arab, yet they only got 42% of the land, even though they owned a much larger share of the land than the Jews.
2. The Jews had immigrated to Palestine, and suddenly they wanted an independent state on their land.
3. The Jews owned only 6% of the land, yet they were given the majority of the coastline.
4. They were given the Naqab/Negev desert, in which the majority of its inhabitants were Bedouin Arabs.
5. The Jews were given the demographically and historically Arab cities of Haifa and Jaffa.
6. If the plan had been carried out, 200.000 Arabs would have to be expelled, to establish a Jewish majority in the proposed Jewish state.
7. and many more.

User avatar #513 to #512 - bronytarek (11/18/2012) [-]
The British had given up then, and so the conflict was between Palestinian Arabs and Jews. The Jews started the ethnic cleansing of Palestine already in March 1948 (2 months before the independence, and 2 months before any other Arab nation declared war). It was planned long before, and the one of the most famous incidents before the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, was the Deir Yassin massacre on 9th April 1948. This resulted in a huge drop in Palestinian Arab morale, and many Arabs hoped that they would be left alone, if they didn't fight. Unfortunately, that was wishful thinking, as a lot of areas were still ethnic cleansed. When British withdrew, and the Jews declared independence, the surrounding Arab states declared war. The following war lasted until 1949, where an armistice line was drawn, now known as the green line. In the meanwhile, 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were violently expelled and/or fled (I say 'and' because, many of them were expelled from their homes, and they would then go to live in another city, where they were expelled or had to flee again). This resulted in the current refugee problem.
User avatar #396 to #299 - finni (11/18/2012) [-]
Didn't the Arab leaders voice to stop the Jewish immigration and when the British didn't go through with it, they started a riot in Jerusalem which ended with six Jews killed and hundreds wounded?
User avatar #440 to #396 - Ruspanic (11/18/2012) [-]
I wasn't familiar with the specific event you described, but this seems to fit your description:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots
It doesn't surprise me. As I said, gradually the influx of Jewish immigrants into British Palestine increased tensions between the Jews and the Arabs and led to violent conflicts (before the creation of the Israeli state).
User avatar #448 to #440 - finni (11/18/2012) [-]
Yeah thanks for showing which specific riot it was
#2 - hoykun (11/17/2012) [-]
How Palestine looks like when trying to mess with Israel.
How Palestine looks like when trying to mess with Israel.
User avatar #409 to #2 - mlpokeyuan (11/18/2012) [-]
Adorable?
#35 - oberon (11/17/2012) [-]
picked this up a few posts ago, didn't think id be using it so soon hahah
#296 - ericole (11/17/2012) [-]
for all you idiots saying " well Israel is firing at schools and hospitals" keep in mind that is where hamas is firing them from.
Let's face it. If Mexico was firing missiles into civilian areas in America we would be doing a lot more than what Israel is doing now
#351 to #296 - deadmuerto (11/17/2012) [-]
...or Canada
#115 to #62 - milson (11/17/2012) [-]
it wehrs flu....

oh **** , i'm german and actually don't know how to...

it wehrraketes flug ab

best i can do
User avatar #196 to #115 - Konigsteiger (11/17/2012) [-]
At best it would be "it abwehrs flugs with raketes". Even then it really doesn't make sense. But we're talking about German, the language home to words like "Gebirgsflugzeugabwehrkanone". It's going to be rough, haha
#126 - coolgabe (11/17/2012) [-]
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#171 - deltadeltadelta (11/17/2012) [-]
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel."
- Israeli proverb
User avatar #373 to #171 - kingmaker (11/18/2012) [-]
there would still be violent Persians
#442 to #171 - spidereon (11/18/2012) [-]
The US would still find a way to preserve freedom around other countries.
#312 to #171 - jujuface (11/17/2012) [-]
"We're not talking about a cease-fire, it's not on the agenda,"
November 16 2012
Israeli senior official after briefing with Barak and Netanyahu

November 8th 2012: Palestinian boy is killed by an Israeli bullet while playing soccer after a two week no violence streak
>Palestinians injure Israeli soldier
>Israel responds by bombing Gaza strip, killing a military target as well as several children under the age of 5

Keep fighting Israel! If you don't keep defending yourselves, Hamas will destroy your extraordinary military power (including f16's and nukes) with nothing but primitive rockets. Riiiight...
User avatar #323 to #312 - Ruspanic (11/17/2012) [-]
The terrorists have no chance of destroying Israel's military capabilities. That's not their goal, and that's not what Israel's worried about.
The terrorists can and have intentionally attacked innocent civilians. That's their preferred method of "resistance", and that's precisely what necessitates Israel's actions in the Palestinian territories.

I won't deny that Israel sometimes uses excessive force, but as a whole it has shown remarkable restraint. It also does not intentionally target innocents, unlike its adversaries.
User avatar #310 to #171 - vycanismajoris (11/17/2012) [-]
If all humanity put down their weapons, it'd be awesome.
#211 to #171 - oaa (11/17/2012) [-]
if the arabs would put down their weapons, there would be more and more and more and more israel in the next few years
User avatar #215 to #211 - deltadeltadelta (11/17/2012) [-]
Israel obviously has no intention of expanding as it's only interested in what it currently holds, which is the territory of the historic Kingdom of Israel/Judah. The only conflict where Israel was the aggressor was the Suez Crisis back in the 1950s.
User avatar #305 to #215 - toplica (11/17/2012) [-]
yea, that's exactly why they're building illegal settlement in the suez right now, because they don't want it.
Do you people really believe this rhetoric or are you on their side because they're americas allies? Either way it's still immoral
User avatar #347 to #305 - deltadeltadelta (11/17/2012) [-]
Umm... what? Israel doesn't have any "settlements" in the Suez. The Suez is an Egyptian canal that connects the Mediterranean with the Red Sea.

This is why no one values the opinion of teenagers.
User avatar #538 to #347 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
sinai, whatever
User avatar #539 to #538 - deltadeltadelta (11/21/2012) [-]
Israel never had any settlements in the Sinai either. The Sinai is a desert wasteland. The entire area between Israel and Egypt's Nile is uninhabitable.
User avatar #540 to #539 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
wrong, infact they only dismantled 18 settlements on the Sinai in 1982. There are still several standing but uninhabited since the peace agreement.
Dumbass. The nation has no morals, how can you have sympathy for someone when your religion states that you are the chosen people and you are the only ones allowed into heaven, everyone else is inferior. They are self worshiping and the disproportional wealth to population of jews in america has led to their rise in politics and their ability to brainwash the ignorant masses (that's you since you were ignorant to the sinai situation).

In the end jews emigrated to palestine, took their land, forced families out, went to war with everyone, kills civilians purposefully (whether it's bombs or sanctions on medicine), owns illegal nuclear weapons yet criticizes Iran.
You can say it's the holy land but that's religious nonsense, and if you believe that they should be given back their homeland because it was taken thousands of years ago, then everyone should leave america and give it back to the natives, europe would be ancient rome and greece (or whatever came before them) and isreal would be EGYPT
User avatar #543 to #540 - deltadeltadelta (11/21/2012) [-]
Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt in 1979.

Christians also believe only Christians will go to heaven. Muslims also believe only Muslims will go to heaven. The "chosen people" crap is what antisemites have been shouting since time immemorial.

The last paragraph of yours is just thinly-veiled antisemitic ******** . Israel never forced anyone out of their homes. People fled fearing Jewish rule, fearing the Jews would kill their children and use their blood to make matzah (the Syrians especially believed this, as it was in Syrian school textbooks). Israel does not intentionally kill civilians, and yes Israel does own nuclear weapons but it doesn't own them illegally as it never since the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran however is a signatory.

I believe that Israel should exist because it already does. Would you have every Jew forcefully expelled from the region?

Your comments about Rome and Egypt speak volumes about your ignorance.

Before you accuse me of being a Jew, I'm a Canadian Atheist of British descent.
User avatar #545 to #543 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
Thanks for clarifying your nationality, i would like to add that I don't care. You can say they fled fearing jewish rule all you want but there are endless accounts of israeli jews and it's military in it's early history forcing arabs from their homes. I'm also an atheist which is apparant in my previous comments so I'm not an anti-semite, Palestinians are Semites too. All religions are ignorant to reality and i don't defend any of them (other than maybe buddhism for the simple fact that they leave everyone alone). I would leave the jews alone too if they did the same, but instead they "HAD" to invade a land that wasn't theirs because their stupid religion, of which they worship themselves, prompted them to do so. There is no thin veil or any type of veil at all, the simple fact is that they are terrorists, and hamas responds to them the same way isreal responds, in a terrorist manor. Even if i was an anti-semite my arguments would still be valid. I would rather have a free palestine that minds their own business then a free israel that fights for it's survival on a territiry that isn't their and is unnatural in it's existence. Jews could have lived peacefully on the land beside the arabs but they just had to call the shots and ruin everything for themselves. If they are forcefully removed from their homes it is because they ruined their reputation and must face the consequences of their actions. I'm for justice, and that's that.

My comments about Rome and Egypt were to allude to the ignorance of your comments about the historic kingdom of Judah (Anyone that can read english could have understood that while being bludgeoned to death by a mace)
User avatar #546 to #545 - deltadeltadelta (11/21/2012) [-]
You're one of the most grossly ignorant people I've encountered on the internet in quite some time.

You don't care for history or facts. You just utterly fabricate everything to support your narrative.
User avatar #547 to #546 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
Seems like you're doing that. Fact is bad people run governments, and israel is an especially bad nation. Bye
User avatar #541 to #539 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
and they're still building settlements there, egypt is powerless to stop them.
User avatar #544 to #541 - deltadeltadelta (11/21/2012) [-]
No, they're not. The Sinai is 100% Egyptian territory.

Post a link showing me that Israelis are building settlements in Egypt. You can't because it isn't happening. You've made it up.

You're just a flaming antisemite that likes to make **** up to fit your anti-Israel/Jewish narrative.
#431 to #347 - spidereon (11/18/2012) [-]
You do need some historical help. What Israel wanted is the whole area of Sinai including the "Suez Canal" and they had no rights over it since it's Egyptian Land.

Huge difference, get your facts right.
User avatar #449 to #431 - deltadeltadelta (11/18/2012) [-]
Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt in 1979 as a peace offering. Israel never had any settlements in the Sinai. They used it as a buffer zone.

The only place Israel has settlements is the West Bank.

No, you need to get your facts straight. You're making **** up to fit your narrative.
#486 to #449 - spidereon (11/18/2012) [-]
Gave back as in after the war which in 1973 and then in 1979 which is 12 years after the sudden attack they performed which also included Golan Heights in Syria?

Let me try to get you right here. Israel not building any settlements means that they didn't want any control of it?
I disagree. Not having settlements doesn't mean they didn't want to take over the whole Sinai Peninsula. They took over Sinai, blocked the Suez Canal and built the Bar Lev line to block any Egyptians from crossing to Sinai.
User avatar #501 to #486 - deltadeltadelta (11/18/2012) [-]
>Implying Israel was the belligerent, and not the Arab states.

The Sinai is nothing but desert with a few roaming Bedouin tribes. Israel couldn't settle it if it wanted to. The Sinai was a buffer between Israel proper and Egypt.

The Sinai is valuable as a buffer zone, but it was more valuable as a peace token.

Your narrative of "israel is the expansionist aggressor" is **** . The only time Israel was ever the belligerent part was in the Suez Crisis, when Israel was allied with Britain and France against Egypt which tried to nationalize the Suez Canal.
#437 to #215 - spidereon (11/18/2012) [-]
Say what?
User avatar #456 to #437 - deltadeltadelta (11/18/2012) [-]
I don't understand what your argument is.
User avatar #542 to #456 - toplica (11/21/2012) [-]
because you're an idiot, the argument is obviously 100% proof that isreal is very interested in expanding. Obviously you can't admit that or you'll be admitting that you were wrong. Why do you support them so much? They're the real terrorists, along with the CIA and the rest of NATO nations.
User avatar #108 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
I live in Israel but hate the **** out of this fascistic government..
we can't even peacefully protest or stand a minute of silence to those who died in Gaza in my University..
Bebe Natanyaho can suck my dick. he starts a War before the election, breaking 65 U.N resolutions.. i hope this regime falls soon.
User avatar #172 to #108 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
you where apart of the protest in haifa?
feels good to have a minute of silnce for a terrorist leader.
If you love gaza so much go live there, go study there, why do you even live and study in israel if you hate it so much?
User avatar #176 to #172 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
a lot of childen have died.
you are saying i can't stand for one minute of silence? and you call this state a democracy?
User avatar #184 to #176 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
children die because hamas hides behind them to shoot rockets at israel.
OFCUSRE it is sad and i feel bad for those kids. I guess it was wrong taking it apart so quickly but really? what do you expected, you did it at the exact time the hamas leader died and it looked like you did it for him.
And what you want israely army to do? not to shoot and let the hamas shoot rockets endlessly?
User avatar #194 to #184 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
every action has a reaction.. as best said by Ron Paul..
Gaza has been under siege for the past 6 years with limited resources, while the army monitors every thing that comes out and everything that comes in. it's basically the biggest prison in the world.. that my friend, like it or not is the action. it's only inevitable that there would be a reaction.
User avatar #202 to #194 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
Let me respond by the same statement.
Rockets fired from gaza to israel, israel blockes gaza and makes a siege around gaza so no weapons will come in, ofcurse it effects everything. less food can come in because they need to be checked for weaponry etc....
Action and reaction.
User avatar #205 to #202 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
are you really going deeper? Israel Occupies Palestine and demolished villages to replace with places to live for their own residence.. i could go on for ever.
User avatar #224 to #205 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
I have to time to go deeper i have to go to sleep so forget about it.
But tell me, what would you do in a situation like this? In what is happening in gaza?
leave it alone? let the bombing continue? let hamas take more territory and more and more untill there will be nothing left of israel?
User avatar #239 to #224 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
There won't be a solution until Israel fixes its self from the inside
User avatar #247 to #239 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
Same to gaza and all arabic countreis that want to destroy israel.
User avatar #254 to #247 - eiad (11/17/2012) [-]
no one want's to destroy Israel and no one hates america.. you watch to much mainstream media.. and they are fixing them selves.. by a revolution, From the inside.
i'm gonna leave this conversation here, for i am going to bed.
good night
User avatar #488 to #254 - lolmonade (11/18/2012) [-]
They do want to.
arabic cuntries cant negotiatio with israel, israel can. they manage to make somekind of peace with egypt & jorden , other arabic countries dont want to make peace with israel, israel wants to.
a man cant talk with reason with a lion
User avatar #173 to #172 - lolmonade (11/17/2012) [-]
Let the red thumbs come down on me
User avatar #187 to #108 - futuramafan (11/17/2012) [-]
I wish Netanyahu was brought to world court and hung
#32 - anon (11/17/2012) [-]
You started a war and expected people not to fire rockets back?
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