Obviously! HELLOOOO!!. Common sense means all nowadays..... Hurr, taxes are bad. Guess what pays for most of the education, the infrastructure, military, healthcare(depending on the country), pensions(for people working  OH ME GERD
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#6 - vigilum ONLINE (09/26/2012) [-]
Hurr, taxes are bad.   
   
   
Guess what pays for most of the education, the infrastructure, military, healthcare(depending on the country), pensions(for people working in the state), allows people with disabilities to live, kindergartens(depending on the country)?   
Before someone says that socialism is bad, look at how they got through the financial crisis compared to for example the U.S.A.   
Sharing music files, images, et cetera without the consent of whoever has the rights to it is as much theft as shoplifting.    
Please learn to use logic before complaining about a lack of logic.
Hurr, taxes are bad.


Guess what pays for most of the education, the infrastructure, military, healthcare(depending on the country), pensions(for people working in the state), allows people with disabilities to live, kindergartens(depending on the country)?
Before someone says that socialism is bad, look at how they got through the financial crisis compared to for example the U.S.A.
Sharing music files, images, et cetera without the consent of whoever has the rights to it is as much theft as shoplifting.
Please learn to use logic before complaining about a lack of logic.
User avatar #9 to #6 - graphenz (09/26/2012) [-]
but... I like taxes... and I pay 40%, that's minimum :o
#15 to #6 - carlyb (09/26/2012) [-]
So you pay tax to a corrupt government to fund an illegal war and you think that's OK?
Please don't be a fool and do your research into your own and other countries governments we should all be free and live off the land like we used to and not have to pay a massive percentage of all our earnings to do basic things like travel in our own cars (road tax) and buy food (V.A.T) there's a reason that good hard working people stay poor whilst lazy corrupt evil people are richer than you can ever imagine.
User avatar #28 to #15 - HarvietheDinkle (09/27/2012) [-]
"live off the land like we used to do"

While this may be fine ethically do you know how impractical that would be? Not only would billions of people die off but if we had done that in the first place we'd still be using bows and arrows, or, at best, be at the level of the Roman Empire in technological advances.
#45 to #28 - carlyb (09/27/2012) [-]
At least we were free and not ruled by other people, do you really think the government and big corporations are here to benefit us? whats wrong with traveling around our own countries without having to pay the government for the privilege, i don't know where you're from but here in England there are people who call themselves free men on the land, look it up its so infuriating the amount of stuff we pay the government for which legally we don't even have to but they will make things so difficult for us to exercise our rights that its not even worth the effort.
User avatar #58 to #45 - HarvietheDinkle (09/27/2012) [-]
You pay the government for the services it provides.
Technically the land you buy/get, unless you discover it, is acquired through a government-ruled society (elected by the people, mind you). Thus, unless you discover new land it's not just yours.
Government and big corporations are likewise run by people. They are in themselves corrupt but the idea of them is not.
User avatar #83 to #58 - vortexrain (09/27/2012) [-]
I have a question.
If I go to any random country, dig down miles and miles, and then I discover some large cavern, let's say, the size of a small country, could I claim that as my own country? I'm now miles deep into the earth's crust and I've found a large amount of land that nobody has ever seen.
User avatar #135 to #83 - HarvietheDinkle (09/27/2012) [-]
If you manage to do that I'm sure they'll find some excuse to make it theirs.
#66 to #58 - carlyb (09/27/2012) [-]
I'm not denying that at one point the government weren't corrupt and they were useful but ask yourself this, does it really matter who you vote for there days? no it ******* doesn't because either way their main goal is to extort as much money from you so they can rule you they are literally making you pay they cash to rule your life, what services are you talking about? The wars we are fighting for the government? Using our people for their benefit? wake up you have no choice and no power especially if you believe the government are there to serve you, its the other way around, serve your government, pay them otherwise you will be put in jail. do your research into where your tax actually goes.
User avatar #136 to #66 - HarvietheDinkle (09/27/2012) [-]
Taxes go into things I don't like: war, corrupt pockets, etc.
However, you're forgetting the basic needs they do go into: public education, water sanitation, food and drug regulations, police force, etc. Without them there would be a breakdown of society and civilization.

Without some kind of social hierarchy people are back to being hunters and gatherers so government is needed. Granted, this one is corrupt but the concept of government and taxes is a necessary one.
#137 to #136 - carlyb (09/27/2012) [-]
People could still trade, just because we wouldn't be paying tax doesn't mean people would have to stop producing and selling things the only parts i agree with are paying for things like care homes and things like that but so much tax is wasted for every pound that goes towards thing we agree with there are 100s going to things like wars, overpaid politicians, and basically spying on the people, fun fact, out of all the CCTV cameras in the UK only 1percent have ever actually been used to prosecute a criminal, its literally big brother, a nanny state, are we not capable of looking after ourselves and making our own decisions so we need to pay other people to do it for us?
User avatar #138 to #137 - HarvietheDinkle (09/28/2012) [-]
1) Please speak in complete sentences. I am actually having difficulty understanding you. Not only that but for your sake it makes your argument look more rational if you use proper sentence structure.
2) Trading wouldn't work in a population of 330 million, let alone 7 billion. Its nature of subjective valuing makes it so anyone can set a relatively worthless good at a high value, thus extorting innocent customers. ie if I traded you food for a car, and you really needed the food, you'd have no choice but to give me the car. Now, imagine this happening with 7 billion people - not only would markets collapse but hunger, disease, and probably even war would be rampant.
This kind of extortion was already obsolete and stamped out by the time of the Dark Ages. More recently, in the 1890s on, regulations (put in the government) helped stamp out a lot of monetary extortion.
3) Wars and overpaid politicians indeed problems. However if you don't support wars outside of our own country (a rational opinion) do you at least support the National Guard? There is no moral ground to say that they shouldn't protect their own citizens in their own country.
4) If your figure is even correct (I highly doubt it is; please cite your sources) then there is a reason only 1% of CCTV cameras are used to prosecute criminals. Simply put, most of them don't even capture crime happening; most criminals want to be out of sight of a camera. Out of those that do the criminals is almost always prosecuted without the use of the camera (and instead is incriminated by eyewitness testimony, DNA evidence, , etc).
5) No large society functions, with our first world expectations in mind, without a form of social structure. Period. We need leaders to make decisions because a mob of people with a mob mentality cannot make it for themselves. As individuals we might be smart but as a crowd we are stupid. Go back to a time before government and you go back 10000+ years - not exactly the ideal society.
#139 to #138 - carlyb (09/28/2012) [-]
1) Acting like a childish prick picking faults with the way i type is not going make your point any more valid.

2) Like i said before SOME things that we spend our taxes on are worth it like providing care and obviously trading standards and stuff like that but it comes at a huge cost

3) I don't support wars no, and national guard? so what your saying is if there weren't a government then nobody would fight for their country? bollocks if it came to it we would be more than capable of defending ourselves but what does that have to do with fighting illegal wars?

4) it is correct there are plenty of studies you really do need to do your research into how the government are taking away our human rights, if you really want to pay the government a **** load of cash to make decisions for you then that's fine, all i am saying is there should be an option not to rely on the government and be a sheep cause clearly you are a mindless sheep who just conforms to society, but then again you have probably never had money problems and struggled to feed your family because of ******** regulations, I myself am better off on benefits in this country cause if i got a job id be earning less money than i do now, does that sound right to you?

5) Who says we can't have social structure without a government extorting us and the banks robbing us basically making the lower class slaves, you sound like one of these public schoolboys who benefits from there being lower classes just like the government do.

I'm not even going to carry on this argument any longer, all i will say is this, do your ******* research and see if you still want to be run by corrupt evil men who grew up rich and get richer and richer everyday whilst still claiming to serve the people, the government are nothing but a bunch of thugs with a police force and an army to back them up on any decision they see fit, you are clearly brainwashed though, must be nice living in a bubble.
User avatar #140 to #139 - HarvietheDinkle (09/28/2012) [-]
1) I didn't insult you (or at least mean to) so stop being a prick yourself. You were honestly hard to understand.
2) The cost is worth it
3) Without a heirarchy to give commands and orders we'd just be a mob (made up mostly of those whose inclination is killing), and the rest would hide in their houses knowing that Western Civilisation will crumble in case someone else brings a war to us without the army.
4)Honestly, you're sounding more and more like a prick as your argument goes on. By calling me a mindless sheep and not even citing any sources (remember - you're the one making the argument, not me) not only are you being really insulting but you're no better than those you disagree with. Refer to these specific regulations you talk about.
Also I'd rather conform to society because it seems to be working well. There are indeed problems with welfare. But here's a solution - why not actually go for a job that is full-time and has a higher pay? If you have pursued a decent education then you could do that.
If you really want an option to not pay the government then there's a simple solution - get out. By living in your country you are agreeing to pay taxes for public services that have made it a first-world one. If you don't like it no one will stop you from moving to a country that suits you better. Because your needs do not transcend the needs of the majority.
5) Seriously - you just go on and on insulting me. You're a ******* prick without proof. You obviously have no consideration for others. Now, for the argument: there can be government without extortion, and banks that actually have fair practices. We're striving to make this happen by participating in political discourse. If you really are "lower class" as you say then why not try to help yourself by actually getting a better job (you just admitted you don't have one)? You clearly haven't been to school at all if you don't have enough decency to back up your arguments and be a little bit more hardworking.
#142 to #140 - carlyb (09/28/2012) [-]
There it is, the answer to my big problem, get a good highly paid job, all these years i wondered why i was living on a ****** council estate and went to a ****** school whilst it was so simple, get a good highly paid job thanks man that really solved all my problems, il go and do that tomorrow.

What im saying is, its these high taxes that make it NOT WORTH working il be worse off and have nowhere to live, i wanted to get an apprenticeship when i left college but for one, no companies would hire me, not because i lacked the qualifications, i actually did quite well to say i went to one of the countries worst schools but purely because they couldn't afford to take me on because there was no government backing, this isn't even the point i'm trying to make, its not just an issue of finding work but the whole thing, how the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and i didn't provide any links because i was hoping you would do a bit of research from another persons perspective, like i said you clearly don't have a problem with the way things are because it suits you so clearly you wont listen to any of my points.
User avatar #143 to #142 - HarvietheDinkle (09/28/2012) [-]
Disagreeing with your points doesn't mean I don't listen to them. You will find that people have different opinions all the time. I shouldn't have to do research for the points you're trying to prove. The burden of proof is on you. Btw I again am having trouble understanding you - for your sake it would just make you sound better of you spoke in sentences.
I think the taxes are worth it. But before I go any further and judge your situation what I take out of what you said is this: you couldn't get a job because you went to a bad school and it wouldn't be cost-effective to hire you. Unfortunately, that's how society works. We can't wish for a perfect present (trust me; I've been in situations where I've either had to harm someone or suffer myself - I chose the latter) unless we take baby steps. Ruling over millions of people ain't easy - just give the political process some patience. Yes, there are corrupt politicians, but I disagree if you say that it would be better for government to be non-existent (especially at this stage in society).
fatamerican (the user waaaayyy above us) made a decent proposal: what if you have the option to opt out of government help for the benefit of not having to pay taxes? What do you personally think of that?
I do clearly not have a problem; I have a bit more patience for people to be the change. Tell me - what have you done to change things?
#144 to #143 - carlyb (10/07/2012) [-]
In England you can already partly opt out, things like paying council tax, car tax and I'm sure there are other things you can opt out of but the government will make your life as hard as they can unless you comply, so yes id rather have an option to opt out and fend for myself in a lot of situations.

Unfortunately we can't and it's because the government have too much power they control the media and education so they can manipulate us with their propaganda and lies, just look at how they covered the whole Libya and Gadaffi thing.

All I am saying is that the government is already too powerful I mean seriously do we, the people, actually have any say in what happens in our own country these days? We vote for Prime Ministers who make promises and as soon as they are elected they do whatever they want and they aren't even at the top of the pile it's the banks and huge corporations that run the country, money is power.
User avatar #145 to #144 - HarvietheDinkle (10/07/2012) [-]
Why did you reply more than a week later?

I'm comfortable with how I live, so I have nothing to complain about. If you have a different situation then by all means try to change it.
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User avatar #33 to #6 - fatamerican (09/27/2012) [-]
I believe taxes are only ethical if voluntary. If I could decide to fund the state/receive benefits from it or to live on my own without the state's protection nd without paying taxes, I would much rather do so.
User avatar #141 to #33 - HarvietheDinkle (09/28/2012) [-]
That's a decent proposal.

Thing is, if everyone starts doing that and eventually realize then that they can't live on their own there's going to be massive amounts of trouble, with people expecting to be cared for again by the government.
User avatar #8 to #6 - pohtaytow (09/26/2012) [-]
By the way,thumbed you up for knowing what taxes are for (which a lot of people don't know)
User avatar #7 to #6 - pohtaytow (09/26/2012) [-]
I believe in taxes but I live in Spain where taxes have just gone up to 21%,which sound like a good thing but the problem is the lower amount of income for the society and the fact that a lot of things that taxes cover in other countries aren't covered here,like dental care,for example,my girlfriend has to pay almost 4000 euros for her braces and by brother had his braces in England and all the treatment for free.

So you could say that taxes are good always when they are used for the right purposes.
#24 - xMasterofpuppetsx (09/27/2012) [-]
This is 			****
This is ****
#113 - cloymax (09/27/2012) [-]
fixed

I'm a horrible person
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User avatar #94 - pokemonstheshiz (09/27/2012) [-]
Seth McFarlane doesn't have his own reality show? Really? He has three shows and a movie, and Brian is a projection of his opinions. Why they hell would he need a reality show?
User avatar #104 to #94 - yeahhhdebo (09/27/2012) [-]
And he's now creating a live action TV Show too...
User avatar #105 to #104 - pokemonstheshiz (09/27/2012) [-]
Really? His humor's getting kind of redundant, I hope he tries something new in it.
User avatar #117 - Saundazzz (09/27/2012) [-]
Am I the only one who thinks Seth McFarlane is kind of a douche?
Family guy is the **** , but I doubt he even has much creative input anymore, and I haven't liked anything else he has done. Whenever I see him in interviews he just comes across as totally up his own arse and thinks everything he does and says is hilarious...
#108 - rvaugh (09/27/2012) [-]
you had me untile Seth MacFarlane
#110 to #108 - tastymelon (09/27/2012) [-]
same
User avatar #77 - mattmanhemi (09/27/2012) [-]
if you really had common sense you would no pirating is illegal for a reason, i dont know why people still think its right. you are still stealing, its the same as stealing from gamestop, just much easier
User avatar #2 - grazy (09/26/2012) [-]
Pendulum? Hell Yes
User avatar #3 to #2 - pohtaytow (09/26/2012) [-]
Seeming as only Rob and Gareth are in the picture,I was refering to Knife Party,but gotta love Pendulum too,they're both amazing
User avatar #4 to #3 - grazy (09/26/2012) [-]
... this is true
#5 to #4 - pohtaytow (09/26/2012) [-]
You got a friend in me
#57 - Yojimbo (09/27/2012) [-]
What can I contribute to this post?   
   
-Why don't the pens work?   
-The bull is entertaining in another culture. All cultures are different/ have things that are or aren't acceptable in other cultures.    
- Paying Taxes or Purchasing a song that someone worked hard on? Apples and Oranges   
-The rest is all opinion   
-Seth Macfarlane looks like Leonardo DiCaprio in that picture   
-One Red thumb for you.   
   
All done.
What can I contribute to this post?

-Why don't the pens work?
-The bull is entertaining in another culture. All cultures are different/ have things that are or aren't acceptable in other cultures.
- Paying Taxes or Purchasing a song that someone worked hard on? Apples and Oranges
-The rest is all opinion
-Seth Macfarlane looks like Leonardo DiCaprio in that picture
-One Red thumb for you.

All done.
#129 - mattkingg **User deleted account** (09/27/2012) [-]
we have tax to you'know, keep the ******* country going?
#86 - sirrainbows (09/27/2012) [-]
>pretty sure they work OP, just try a couple more times.
>there are a lot of people against animal cruelty, the bull is a proud tradition and part of a culture that maybe you just don't find interesting
>do you have any ideas what taxes are? and plenty of people work very hard to produce music and don't enjoy giving it away
>the kinkiness one is your own opinion
>can you just accept the fact some people are pretty ignorant about their taste in music?
>Seth McFarlane has created Family Guy, American Dad, The Cleveland Show, and many other works
Not one of these is illogical, they are just all your opinion which you somehow feel you must share with us.
User avatar #87 to #86 - fxremastered (09/27/2012) [-]
"do you have any ideas what taxes are?" I was thinking the same thing, taxes are EXTREMELY important, if we had no taxes our economy would crash so fast.
User avatar #84 - furyofthestorm (09/27/2012) [-]
Ugh, here we go.
-Not all pens work perfectly. Who the hell cares?
-Freddie Mercury constantly joked about homosexaulity, even saying he was as gay as a daffodil, assumptions about him are expected. As for now, a lot of people think the other guy is gay due to lack of interest in him. You assume that the hip teenage girls account for EVERYONE and account for logic.
-Not everyone finds dead bulls entertaining, in fact anyone with an intelligent mind dislikes it. And human death or torture will always be evil. Just because you've seen someone die on the internet doesn't make it, or you, cool.
-Tax is necessary, get over it. And pirating is technically illegal, but that doesn't stop anyone from doing it. So it's not that big of a deal.
-Hes a ******* animated mouse that talks and is pure in physical form. The other one is a possibly disease ridden animal.
-The majority of intelligent human beings paid attention to all of Michael's cases and noticed that they were full of **** . I mean the father of the first child admitted he was lying. And yes, your brother looks like a pedophile. I avidly believe he brings children to your house and you both make sweet love to them. Stop being a pedophilic fag OP.
-One is physically attractive and one is not. How does logic play any part in this?
-Everyone has their opinion. Just because some people like a band doesn't mean some people don't like the others. Once again, logic has NO play in this. Not everyone loves skrillex.
-Snookie is an idiot agreed. But how exactly would Seth Macfarlane have a reality show? He's a rich voice actor/cartoon creator. What would be so interesting about his life? Seth doesn't get in his car shouting peter griffin phrases and dancing like a chicken. There is nothing interesting in his reality.

Logic played no role in any of your points in this comp.
User avatar #89 to #84 - kellinoely (09/27/2012) [-]
??? who are you talking to? I see a purple line but what the **** is it connected to? O.o
User avatar #96 to #89 - pokemonstheshiz (09/27/2012) [-]
It's his avatar
User avatar #98 - MakiChan (09/27/2012) [-]
are you saying its really wrong to have taxes? yes its alot and in many cases doesnt go where it should but taxes are something that is needed.....whether we like it or not.
User avatar #85 - WakaTakaBang (09/27/2012) [-]
You're right, taxes should be illegal.





sarcasm
#69 - sarc (09/27/2012) [-]
What the **** are you trying to point out?
User avatar #76 to #69 - biggrand (09/27/2012) [-]
just another post criticizing society, it isnt very hard to not look at something you dont like though.

> "I hate standing on glass!"
> "Then get the **** off it!"
#50 - Benry (09/27/2012) [-]
You're just one big sack of idiot, aren't you OP?
You're just one big sack of idiot, aren't you OP?
User avatar #49 - philliyoMLB (09/27/2012) [-]
sounds like you're an asshole with a bunch of dumbass opinions.
#41 - kieranbaker ONLINE (09/27/2012) [-]
I think dubstep is 			****		 so it doesn't matter to me who makes it
I think dubstep is **** so it doesn't matter to me who makes it
User avatar #52 - ctfreerunner (09/27/2012) [-]
Please tell me I'm not the only one on here who thinks Seth Mcfarlane isn't funny at all...
#54 to #52 - quantumcowboy (09/27/2012) [-]
Dis my main man
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