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#7 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
Am I the only one that thinks that if Native Americans wanted to protect their land from invaders they should've developed better technology than bow and arrow?
User avatar #140 to #7 - strikingeight (09/23/2013) [-]
I like how everyone who agreed with you (regardless of how intelligent their comment was) got thumbed down.
User avatar #139 to #7 - strikingeight (09/23/2013) [-]
I completely agree with you. That shit was on them.
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User avatar #52 to #7 - jinjo (08/19/2012) [-]
If it makes you feel better I could tell that you were joking.
#37 to #7 - anonymous (08/19/2012) [-]
i actually liked this joke. why so butthurt?
#24 to #7 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
Ah I see, lots of Native Americans on FJ today.
#27 to #24 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
lol i dont see the big problem ooohh native americans got it bad so we cant make jokes about them apparently, i forgot this was funnyjunk
User avatar #63 to #27 - anonchief (08/19/2012) [-]
How about you shut the fuck up and stop protecting this wood nigger's self-esteem.
User avatar #35 to #27 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
I know right, I love it because I'm somehow "fucking retarded" because white imperialists had superior technology and immune systems and because I don't care about the Indians complaining about being butt hurt. The real fucking retards are the people that thumb me down to show how they disagree with my opinion in, what I would image, hope of somehow changing my outlook on life. Also, I've seen this post like 5 goddamn times on FJ.
#46 to #35 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
You're fucking retarded because your comment makes no sense.

If you're met with completely unforeseen circumstances is it your fault for not preparing for them?

If a sniper round flies through your living room wall as you're watching TV and it rips through your chest, is it your fault that you weren't wearing a bulletproof vest?
User avatar #47 to #46 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
Actually it does make sense. If the Indians weren't centuries behind Asia and Europe in technological development in pretty much every field and had an organized form of government they would've had a fighting chance against any invaders. Ever heard the phrase don't bring a knife to a gunfight? That's basically the situation they were in.

You're a fucking idiot because your example is just hindsight.
User avatar #94 to #47 - fidelito (08/19/2012) [-]
You probably have no clue how Tenochtitlan was like. Cortes named it the most beautiful city in the world.
#50 to #47 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
How the hell was it their fault that they were "centuries" behind? As far as anyone should be concerned it was just bad luck on their part for not having a military-technological complex that drove weapon development.    
   
Go read Guns, Germs and Steel.   
   
This has nothing to do with the plight of the Native Americans. This has nothing to do with negative feelings towards European expansion. This has to do with your overall lack of intelligence and logic.   
   
Remove yourself from the gene pool and stop spreading disinformation on the internet before you damage the human race.
How the hell was it their fault that they were "centuries" behind? As far as anyone should be concerned it was just bad luck on their part for not having a military-technological complex that drove weapon development.

Go read Guns, Germs and Steel.

This has nothing to do with the plight of the Native Americans. This has nothing to do with negative feelings towards European expansion. This has to do with your overall lack of intelligence and logic.

Remove yourself from the gene pool and stop spreading disinformation on the internet before you damage the human race.
User avatar #53 to #50 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
So wait, I'm illogical for thinking that its the Native Americans fault for not developing technology, or at least learning the technology via trade (how Europeans found out about gun powder)? Then who's fault is it? Please do enlighten me with your superior intellect.

I'm not praising the native americans practically getting wiped off the face of the planet, it was a terrible and tragic development that happened over many centuries, but I don't feel any sympathy for them 200 some odd years later.
#57 to #53 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
>isolated on a continent 5000 miles away from Europe
>implying they could have traded with Europe

You just went full retard.

>implying it is anyone's fault

That's what I've been saying. It's NOBODY'S fault. Are you that thick?

I don't even fucking have an opinion on the morals of imperialism. This was never about sympathy, empathy, or the lack of either feelings. This is about your blatant idiocy. Go read all of your stupid fucking comments again.
User avatar #64 to #57 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
I have read all of my comments. Maybe you should too.
First of all it started as a joke. Fuck me, right? But honestly, you would think that the population of two whole continents would be able to scramble together at least some sort of technology. It's not like they were all living in peace, they had internal struggle, thus competition among themselves.
Second, stop acting like a superior cock-wad because let's face it, if you're on this site chances are you're not the winner of a noble fucking prize.
#66 to #64 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
>implying that stupid piece of unfunny shit was a joke
As if I'd actually believe you weren't being serious. You're saying that now because you realize how misinformed you are.

>implying the natives were nearly as militaristic as the Europeans
Europe's natural resources were always being fought over, mainly because of the nature of feudalism. As such, the Europeans were constantly devising new and more efficient ways of killing one another. That's what drove technology forward.

In the Americas, the natives lived mostly peacefully. They barely used what plentiful natural resources were available, so they didn't fight on the scale Europeans did. They never developed the gun because it wasn't necessary for hunting game. They didn't "discover the gun through trade" because there was nobody to trade with who had guns.

The Native Americans didn't start to fight amongst different tribes until the Europeans arrived. The fights were over beaver hunting-grounds. The Europeans wanted fur and promised not to encroach on the natives if they continued to trade with them (a lie, but whatever). As such, the natives needed the fur to survive and were prepared to fight over it. They also obtained guns from the Europeans in order to more efficiently kill other natives.

But I'm some kind of "superior cock-wad" because I know history and you clearly don't, right?
User avatar #73 to #66 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
It actually was a joke, and some people saw it as that, but apparently you're too sophisticated for making jokes on the internet.

>Look how cultural you are!

You're not completely correct.

>Holy bat shit, you don't know everything?

While Native Americans were peaceful in North America, they did wage war in middle and, some of, Southern America (even before the bad white people came) Also the main reason why the Native Americans were overtaken was because of the disease Europeans incidentally brought over. Something like 100 Spanish Conquistadors were able to take over the whole Inca empire because of this.

And no, I'm still going to stand by my thinking, because of the internal difference in Europe and its central location, the Europeans were able to develop better technology and grow immune to some of the worst diseases, thus conquer the fucking world. This is pretty much the process of "natural selection", and call me a Darwinist but I believe it.

>Fuck you
#77 to #73 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
>misuses greentext
>misunderstands the concept of natural selection

Whatever. The point about the Europeans developing technology and disease resistance due to their location was purely circumstance. If that's what you purport to believe, then I agree with you. If you're implying it was due to genetics, intelligence, foresight, or anything else other than pure circumstance, then you're wrong. And a dumbfuck. And that's all there is to it.

/thread
User avatar #81 to #77 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
How is that misunderstanding natural selection? The strong will survive? Since the Europeans were able to adapt to their environment they became the stronger of the two. Of course it's not due to genetics or intellectual levels, and no one can stand there and say "well when the Europeans came why didn't they just invent medicine and guns" because that's idiotic.

You're still an ass, good day to you.
#93 to #81 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
You mean to tell me now I have to explain natural selection too? Did you ever graduate the 6th grade?   
   
Natural selection is PURELY about genetics. It has been perverted over the years by disinforming fucks like you to justify genocide. And that's exactly what you're doing right now; justifying the genocide of the Native Americans via the "natural selection" argument. Maybe your racism isn't intentional; but it's still irrational.   
   
What natural selection really is: the survival of one organism because its genetic makeup makes it more likely to survive in a changing environment. For example, a frog with a less porous skin surviving during a dry season; or a moth that's slightly browner being able to camouflage better, allowing it to not be eaten. These traits would be passed down to offspring which could survive in that threatening environment better than their counterparts.   
   
This concept is not interchangeable with the development of technology. The Europeans didn't "adapt" technology. They "adapted" an immunity to smallpox, but they didn't take over the American continents with fucking smallpox; they did it with weapons. Weapons developed over a period of hundreds of years. And this was only possible due to their unique culture and location. It would have been impossible for the Native Americans to replicate anything like that.   
   
Maybe you think history works the same way that a game of Sid Meier's Civilization unfolds. It doesn't.   
   
Go read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
You mean to tell me now I have to explain natural selection too? Did you ever graduate the 6th grade?

Natural selection is PURELY about genetics. It has been perverted over the years by disinforming fucks like you to justify genocide. And that's exactly what you're doing right now; justifying the genocide of the Native Americans via the "natural selection" argument. Maybe your racism isn't intentional; but it's still irrational.

What natural selection really is: the survival of one organism because its genetic makeup makes it more likely to survive in a changing environment. For example, a frog with a less porous skin surviving during a dry season; or a moth that's slightly browner being able to camouflage better, allowing it to not be eaten. These traits would be passed down to offspring which could survive in that threatening environment better than their counterparts.

This concept is not interchangeable with the development of technology. The Europeans didn't "adapt" technology. They "adapted" an immunity to smallpox, but they didn't take over the American continents with fucking smallpox; they did it with weapons. Weapons developed over a period of hundreds of years. And this was only possible due to their unique culture and location. It would have been impossible for the Native Americans to replicate anything like that.

Maybe you think history works the same way that a game of Sid Meier's Civilization unfolds. It doesn't.

Go read Guns, Germs, and Steel.
User avatar #105 to #93 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
Natural selection is not purely about genetics and I'm fully aware of how it is preformed, I know this because I'm fucking majoring in it.

No shit it's not interchangeable with technology and as I already stated, the majority of Natives killed were killed by fucking goddamn shitty ass fucking ass disease. For someone who calls people dense you're pretty dense because you can't seem to get that fact in your damn head. While technology did give whites an advantage, their immunity to their disease ultimately gave them the edge.

Also I'm apparently a racist now? Shut the hell up and watch your fucking msnbc,cockwad.

But for all intensive purposes, you're right on any argument that you wish to continue because I have better things to do than fight via the internet with some narcissist.

I said good day, sir.
#127 to #105 - aBlindMoron (08/19/2012) [-]
>assuming I watch MSNBC
>implying I'm a narcissist
>resorting to passive-agressive personal insults because you can't win an argument on the internet

I think I'm done here.
#39 to #35 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
i happen to love how the modern generation is being held accountable for actions hundreds of years old XD it makes complete sense right? lol
User avatar #43 to #39 - daburger (08/19/2012) [-]
Seriously. Like I understand why black people are still butt hurt for the slavery/segregation thing because it was only like 40 years ago, there are still people alive that have experienced it. It's just funny though because I'm a 3rd generation immigrant from Denmark but because I'm white that means my ancestors enslaved black people.
#45 to #43 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
but the color of your skin determines your history dont you know : P
#44 to #43 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
ikr? because they didnt enslave anyone through out history (deffinately not the jews)
#34 to #27 - thespianation (08/19/2012) [-]
It's not that we can't, we do. Have you seen what the white man did to them though?They're still suffering unlike most of the black and Mexican population. Here's a house they are forced to live in because of how broke they are. I know there are kids in Africa starving and all, but this is in "rich and prosperous" USA.
#38 to #34 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
complete ignorance is abundant these days, i'm white, i've lived in worse buildings and have been with out electricity and water my brother didnt have diapers and my mother was unable to provide food for us every night while working 3 jobs, do you know why? because she was white, she qualified for 80 dollars of government aid monthly because of her race, you tell me how thats fucking fair because she was white, two children went hungry, if she had been a minority she'd have qualified for government housing but no she was white and therefore beyond government help, they couldnt bc that would have been "racist" that is the first 8 years of my fucking life so dont tell me white people are the cause of all the problems :P

tldr: im white and "whitepeoplecauseourproblems" is bullshit
./endrant
#23 to #7 - jordoguy (08/19/2012) [-]
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User avatar #22 to #7 - inetus (08/19/2012) [-]
Please tell me this is bad trolling and you're not actually this retarded
#20 to #7 - reddeadtroll (08/19/2012) [-]
I don't know if I should even grace him with a proper response...
I don't know if I should even grace him with a proper response...
#40 to #20 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
so you respond with your inability to respond with a proper response +2 logic
#18 to #7 - vanquishyjs (08/19/2012) [-]
FunnyJunk lets show a little love for the mentally challenged. :D
#15 to #7 - jakeattack (08/19/2012) [-]
kill yourself
#14 to #7 - thedudest (08/19/2012) [-]
That's like saying if we didn't want planes going through buildings than we should have made stronger buildings....you must be a troll
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User avatar #12 to #7 - jasonvgrace (08/19/2012) [-]
That's like saying if the Dinosaurs didn't want to die out shouldn't they have built a rocket to fly away before some meteor hit them (or whatever happened)

(I'm not comparing natives to dino's it's just an analogy)
#41 to #12 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
that was a terrible analogy :P but funny
#11 to #7 - anonchief (08/19/2012) [-]
I really fucking hope you're trolling. No person can be this stupid.
#42 to #11 - makeitasyougo (08/19/2012) [-]
am i the only one who noticed the troll incoming image he used? or is everyone just stupid
User avatar #10 to #7 - SognaVetr ONLINE (08/19/2012) [-]
Am I the only one who hopes you're a failtroll and not a retard?
User avatar #9 to #7 - shadesofbacon (08/19/2012) [-]
They weren't particuarly into wars so they never needed too unlike us europeans.
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