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#257 - anonymous (07/23/2012) [-]
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"-Ben Franklin
those americans that say guns should be banned all together, you are literally spitting on our founding fathers and the constitution. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing when they made our constitution, and if our goverement and its people actually followed it to the T, we wouldnt be in many of the problems we are in now, dont blame guns, swallow your pride and quit pointing fingers like a 2nd grader, blame yourselves.
ps. the boobs were to get your attention, and hell, why not? merica
#262 to #257 - anonymous (07/23/2012) [-]
Here in New Zealand where its hard to purchase guns I have a much smaller chance of being shot than you do. Deranged people here only manage to find knives and gold clubs before being arrested. Its nice. Your founding fathers might have changed their mind had they seen how the rest of the world matured without guns but their country struggled with a gun problem. America really is a great place and I envy many parts of your country. Just not your access to guns. Guns are a want, not a need. good luck.
#261 to #257 - ludislavonac (07/23/2012) [-]
You do realise that your constitution was written more than 200 years ago? It was a much more turmoilous time where danger lurked around every corner. Of course it was smart to give people the right to bear arms to protect themselves, also the firearms at that time weren't nearly as powerful as they are today, all you could get for your money was a small handgun that could fire a shot or two, now you can buy a fuken AK at any gun store... Is that really needed? I mean, here in europe you don't see people totin' rifles around and there is far less crime than in the US, how come?
#269 to #261 - akkere ONLINE (07/23/2012) [-]
I hope you don't honestly think that you can just walk into a gun store and buy an AK. It's much more... paperwork-loaded than that.

Also, if you're going to bring up the entire goddamn continent of Europe, let's look at some cross-referenced statistics. To the Left is Murders Per Capita in Nations (Source: Nationmaster) , to the Right is Guns Per Capita (Source Wikipedia and its respective citation). You'll notice some European nations begin to crossreference in here.

I'm not supporting either side of the point, just bringing up something to level the opinions.
User avatar #364 to #269 - fosforgasxiii (07/24/2012) [-]
The left is completely wrong. There only die 10.57 people/1000 citizens in Belgium a year. Then how can there be 17 murders/1000 people a year?
User avatar #365 to #364 - akkere ONLINE (07/24/2012) [-]
.....And your source is...?
User avatar #366 to #365 - fosforgasxiii (07/24/2012) [-]
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I found a better source, official government website. Sorry, I couldn't find something in English but google translate should be good enough.
User avatar #367 to #366 - akkere ONLINE (07/24/2012) [-]
Oh. I see what the problem is now.
You misread the left portion deals in numbers of 17 per 1 million people, wheras this statistic deals in just simply per 1000, hence it being a mortality rate.

They're both correct.
User avatar #368 to #367 - fosforgasxiii (07/24/2012) [-]
No I just discovered what went wrong. I read 17.929 as 17,929 because we use , as a comma and . to seperate high numbers while in English it is otherwise.
#281 to #269 - twilightdusk ONLINE (07/23/2012) [-]
The guy who shot up the movie theater in Colorado bought all of the weapons and ammunition used legally. This included an AR-15 assault rifle, which had been banned under a 1994 ban on assault weapons that expired in 2004, and a special magazine that allowed him to fire 100 shots before needing to reload. That plus a shotgun, two glocks, and ammo for all of them, all purchased within a 3-month period with nobody suspecting a thing.

Perhaps it's a bit too easy to get weapons in this country.
User avatar #296 to #281 - akkere ONLINE (07/23/2012) [-]
Sounds like something that requires extensive investigation on the department that issued the permits for those weapons without feeling a need to have a check-up.

This is the first time I've heard about this, so I'm not sure if I can comment on that.

However, ammunition isn't too hard to make yourself, in fact it can work out to be more powerful than what you would get at a store if you know what you're doing.

But again, not 100% certain on the facts here, so can't really comment on that.
#301 to #296 - twilightdusk ONLINE (07/23/2012) [-]
It seems like my timeframe was slightly off, here's what I got from this news article: www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120723/us-colorado-shooting-arsenal/

"On May 22, law enforcement officials said Holmes bought a Glock pistol. Less than a week later, he upgraded to a shotgun. The following week he bought an AR-15 rifle, versions of which had been outlawed under the assault weapon ban in 1994. But that prohibition expired in 2004 and Congress, in a nod to the political clout of gun enthusiasts, did not renew it."

It goes on to mention that he bought the other pistol in July 12 days before the shooting, and before he bought the guns he was stocking up on the ammo, combat vest, and other items he brought with him.
User avatar #278 to #269 - ludislavonac (07/23/2012) [-]
Well the murder statistics are clear, most of the countries with lots of murders are considered something like "3rd world european countries". Serbia being on the 2nd place is due to the fact they had fought a few wars in the last 20 years, most of the guns are from the 90s era. Most other European countries don't have even half as much guns per capita as the US
User avatar #290 to #278 - akkere ONLINE (07/23/2012) [-]
There's also a significant amount of history within the nation that causes guns to be such a big deal here, especially when you have two world wars and two current wars in which the soldiers were allowed to keep their guns for the most part.

There's a significant amount of European nations on the murder side here that aren't third world country as well, such as Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, and Finland.

The point is, their crime rate isn't as pristine as you'd have it out to be, and it's a more complex issue.
#260 to #257 - anonymous (07/23/2012) [-]
will you have my children?
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