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#71 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
Way to take it out of context, he was speaking metaphorically in 32:30.
Seriously, bible bashing is only acceptable if you know what the **** you're talking about. Stuff like this reminds me of teenagers saying they hate vegetables.

"HURR DURR, I HATE BROCCOLLI."
Why?
"BECAUSE IT'S DUMB AND I DON'T LIKE IT, AND MY PARENTS MADE ME EAT IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER."
User avatar #317 to #71 - graphically (07/15/2012) [-]
I was looking for the butt hurt Christian.

Here he is!
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User avatar #414 to #409 - graphically (07/15/2012) [-]
I'm not even an Atheist.

Are you really that thick, that you believe that the only other religion that exists in this world is your own?
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#461 to #430 - graphically (07/15/2012) [-]
> Masters in theology
> Cam The ********
(made me laugh)

You calling me an "idiotic athiest" wasn't an educated guess, it was an ignorant assumption. Thick was obviously referring to how you're thick in the head (thickheaded). You're not really helping yourself look any less idiotic when you can't understand that much (along with your improper use of the word "we're").

You were butt hurt, and you are Christian. Those are observational facts taken from your clear frustration with people's misunderstanding of your religion. Me being an idiotic Atheist is an unsupported assumption pulled from nowhere, when I am in fact a Unitarian Universalist with a bachelors degree who's currently working as an engineer on the new signal system for the LIRR.

Since we're both posting pictures of faces, here's a picture of a face I have on my computer.
#475 to #461 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
For being of the UUA, you sure are being rather instigative in this discussion. I thought people of your religion were supposed too be open to others beliefs, and supportive and loving of all other humans on their own spiritual journeys? I withdraw my prior comments, but my nerves are still fried from last night. I don't speak English as a first language, I learned English when I moved here at the age of 16 from France. I apologize for my error, I try to be articulate and grammatically correct.

Also, my username helps for satyrical comedy, what does that have to do with my masters? It has nothing to do with any of my other degrees either. That would be like me assuming you work in a computer design or arts program just because your username is "graphically".

All religion and assumptions aside, why the **** would you choose to work for the LIRR? GE has much better insurance coverage and they're much more slack on who they higher ( I have a feeling that's the wrong term). Not to mention the pay is unbeatable.
User avatar #505 to #475 - graphically (07/15/2012) [-]
(That assumption about my username would actually be correct)
I was making a joke though. You know, how priests (people who would have masters in theology) have become associated with pedophilia.

and yeah, supportive and loving and all that jazz, but I was just making an observation. You were butt hurt, and you're Christian. There's not even much to argue about concerning what I've brought up so far.

I'm working for Comstock on the LIRR which is a shop under Local 3, a very reliable electricians union. GE is in the process of stripping all their workers of their benefits, which I'm currently in need of thanks to a shoulder I dislocated (and carpal tunnel I'm going to need surgery for)
User avatar #516 to #505 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
As far as I know, they're still looking for well-versed engineers. That whole "We're getting rid of you or your packages" thing is for salesmen and other people who the company has very little value for. I see where you're coming from though.

And I recognized the joke literally a few seconds after I posted that last comment. I don't see how it got past me. Last night, I wasn't butthurt, just amazed at how quickly people turn on something, and compared it to how most adults deal with vegetables, specifically broccoli.
User avatar #518 to #516 - graphically (07/15/2012) [-]
Broccoli is terrible without some cheese.

And nah, at first it was for expendables, but now they want to remove the rights of all their union workers which is what's causing all the strikes. It's a stunt they feel they have to pull after Verizon did the same thing to all their workers. Second reason is that the jobs in GE aren't covered by Local 3, which I'm a member of. It'd be a bitch to get into another Union all over again.
User avatar #83 to #71 - danielthedeity (07/15/2012) [-]
Bible talks of many things referencing actually seeing a physical "god" or being.. This plays into the ancient astronaut theory that god is actually a being having come from a more advanced culture.. So yeah, its not metaphorical.
#91 to #83 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel,.... In Genesis 32:31; Penuel, which signifies the face of God, or God hath looked upon me, or hath had respect to me: there was afterwards a city built here, called by the same name; see Judges 8:8; it is said (k) to be four miles from Mahanaim; the reason of it follows:

for I have seen God face to face: it may be observed, that in wrestling men are face to face, and in this position were Jacob and the man that wrestled with him; which he seems to have respect unto, as well as to the familiarity and intimate communion he was admitted to:

and my life is preserved: though he had wrestled with one so vastly superior to himself, who could have easily crushed this worm Jacob to pieces, as he is sometimes called; and though he had had such a sight of God as face to faces referring, as is thought, to a notion that obtained early, even among good men, that upon sight of God a man instantly died; though we have no example of that kind: but perhaps he observed this for his encouragement; that whereas he had met with God himself, and wrestled with him in the form of a man, and yet was preserved, he doubted not that, when he should meet with his brother and debate matters with him, he should be safe and unhurt"

In short, it WASN'T GOD, it was a metaphysical reprisentation of him, thusly, he was speaking metaphorically.
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User avatar #638 to #91 - danielthedeity (07/15/2012) [-]
I like how people are so stuck to their "belief" that they choose to disregard any "fact" ust saying.. You believe only what you want to..
#705 to #638 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
"Fact", you mean the "fact" that God doesn't exist? There's no evidence to support whether or not he does. Hop off your superiority complex and just stop. I choose to be a Christian because I like the ideals and the way we worship. Who the 						****					 are you to say whether what I'm doing is wrong or not? It's not hurting anyone else, and it makes me happy.
"Fact", you mean the "fact" that God doesn't exist? There's no evidence to support whether or not he does. Hop off your superiority complex and just stop. I choose to be a Christian because I like the ideals and the way we worship. Who the **** are you to say whether what I'm doing is wrong or not? It's not hurting anyone else, and it makes me happy.
User avatar #98 to #91 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
I've heard arguments for this being metaphorical, but I have also heard arguments stating that he was simply talking about god not being full in his glory, hence why even a good man would die as none are without sin in the presence of god in his full glory.

Honestly I'm atheist and find it strange noone can come to a consensus on their holy book, but really? Is this the end all be all of bible contradictions? Hardly. There are so many others, so many fallacies, it's ridiculous. God obviously didn't do a good job proof-reading.
#110 to #98 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
I did't spend 4 years and nearly $20,000 on a masters degree in theology to sit here and listen to your ignorance. You should attend a few bible and youth leadership conferences instead of doing all your research online. Actually reading the word, and running it by a linguist and a priest/pastor, will yield a much more significant insight then just reading about the passages online, and bitching about it on a HUMOUR website will get you no where. Have a good day, sir.
User avatar #118 to #110 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
You obviously wasted 4 years of your life and 20 grand. Sorry to hear.

I've attended multiple talks giving explanations on the bible, as well as other holy books. (Not to mention studying many other theologies.) I've read the bible multiple times, and yes even asked the meanings and metaphors from priests and those versed in the original language that can explain to me certain words usages that didn't translate very well over to english.

You know what I figured out? There is no defining idea in the bible, all of it is apparently subjective considering there are over 30,000 sects that all interpret the bible differently.

I find it insulting that you are saying that all of my research is done online, considering I have put a large amount of time into studying different mythologies. So no, I didn't spend money like you did to get a masters in theology but if you are actually going to sit there and say that the verse we were just talking about pertains to just that one specific metaphorical meaning, then you are wrong and obviously didn't learn much.

Also, I'm not bitching about it, simply discussing.
#143 to #118 - invalidstatementwo **User deleted account** (07/15/2012) [-]
You obviously worked hard for 4 years to afford school and it probably led to a good job. good to hear.
I've attended multiple talks giving explanations on the Bible, but i just didn't understand. No big deal, i'll just let you keep your opinion. I've read a 2000+ page book multiple times and had the time to ask the meanings of a lumpton of metaphors, even people who spoke the original language. (holy balls bro that's a legit church if they have ALL of this stuff they're doing for you.)

You know what i figured out? Everyone interprets the Bible their own personal way because each are impacted in different ways.

I find it insulting that you say my research is done online. now allow me to insult you, calling your religion a myth. Now allow me to say you are wrong even though this whole rant proved nothing that the way you interpreted the metaphor is wrong. You are an idiot hurrdurr.

BTW im not bitching even though this is.
#130 to #118 - camthepedobear (07/15/2012) [-]
Again, your views are wholesale biased, and I don't see anything to be gained from debating this with you. As for my degree being a waste of time? No, those were some of my finest years in college, and the degree helped me get started with my first career, and I now own my own business because of the money I made from sed career. I owe a lot of who and what I am to my faith, and the fact that you bat it aside as rubbish so quickly is rather, well, for lack of a better term: non-entrepreneurial. This isn't some gamble we're speaking of, it's your eternity after death. If you're happy to sped it in purgatory, so be it. You've denounced God numerous times on this thread alone, were I a different man or in a better mood I would continue this, but I have a feeling you'll stay rooted as you are, so your "soul", which humourlessly enough you doubt even exists, is a bit out of my ability to render aid. So, as I said, good day, sir.
Again, your views are wholesale biased, and I don't see anything to be gained from debating this with you. As for my degree being a waste of time? No, those were some of my finest years in college, and the degree helped me get started with my first career, and I now own my own business because of the money I made from sed career. I owe a lot of who and what I am to my faith, and the fact that you bat it aside as rubbish so quickly is rather, well, for lack of a better term: non-entrepreneurial. This isn't some gamble we're speaking of, it's your eternity after death. If you're happy to sped it in purgatory, so be it. You've denounced God numerous times on this thread alone, were I a different man or in a better mood I would continue this, but I have a feeling you'll stay rooted as you are, so your "soul", which humourlessly enough you doubt even exists, is a bit out of my ability to render aid. So, as I said, good day, sir.
User avatar #142 to #130 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
I said it was a waste because you obviously didn't learn anything. Just what you wanted to learn, and everything else you should have was obviously blocked by your desire to have your holy book justified.

Your faith is rubbish, sorry to say. It isn't based on any real fact. Obviously you've shown that you don't put any real thought of whether or not your faith is supported by evidence, only on the fact that you want it to be real because of the whole "eternity after death" deal. I'm curious though that you are rooted in your belief of the christian god, but you are the same as me to every other religion, yet nothing separates yours from theirs. So you and me are alike, except I denounce all ridiculous claims that can't be proven, you still hold onto one.

Also the "soul" is just your consciousness, if we die and stay the same person as we are in life, how come someone can get into an almost fatal accident with brain damage and think they are someone completely different? Obviously these would end up being two completely different people, who is the one that gets into heaven?

and render aid? Psh please, I'm perfectly happy with my mindset.

Good day sir.
#145 to #142 - invalidstatementwo **User deleted account** (07/15/2012) [-]
LOL how did i get in this thread? Faith will NEVER have solid proof. That's the point of faith. You experience it personally. You have to believe that it is real, not prove it. And, sorry to say, but it's impossible to prove God isn't real. there are many things suggesting it, but none can 100% without a doubt disprove God
User avatar #152 to #145 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
Not sure how you got in it, however might as well have fun while you're hear since the last person left XD mind you I'm not trying to start any ********* , I just like debating and talking. It may seem like it comes out in a different tone but it's all in good conversation.

Faith won't have solid proof you are correct, faith is built off of believing in something with no evidence. The problem with personal experience is that it is very subjective and can have multitudes of answers, just the individual usually just applies the one that they want to. However, if you want to tell other people that what you believe is true, you need to prove it. This is a fact and required for everything else in this world.

Also technically yes you can prove god isn't real. Well atleast he isn't possible in this universe, making evidence the only possible way to prove a monotheistic god. and I'm going to explain this again even though I hate doing it: You cannot prove a negative, because all evidence to prove a negative is directly connected to the lack of evidence for the affirmative.

Humans are not omniscient beings, so we take knowledge and reality with what we know and apply that to everything. Except god apparently, I don't see many people fighting for unicorns to be taught in school biology because they have the potential to be real (actually infinitely more probable than a god), because there is no evidence for one.

So to say "You can't disprove it so it must be true" doesn't just go against the basic evidential requirements we humans use for literally everything, but just common sense in general.
#160 to #152 - invalidstatementwo **User deleted account** (07/15/2012) [-]
You are correct for most they will need evidence for God to believe. But the word says multiple times (I don't memorize verses so i'll reiterate) that it is impossible to change a persons mind set, don't force it on them, only God himself can change a person's mind AND if they allow him to do so.

Unicorns can be easily real if we wait a very VERY long time for a horse to adapt to an environment and grow a horn. (Why would a horse ever need one though?)

I never said "you can't disprove it so it must be true." I just said "you can't disprove it." It's true to me because of my experience, NOT because you can't disprove it.


User avatar #170 to #160 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
but god has shown in the bible (and it even goes with his supposed omnipotence and omniscience) than he can control peoples track of thoughts and what they choose to act. Effectively removing the idea of free will.

When I talk about unicorns, I'm talking about the mythological creature that most human beings are on a relatively complete consensus that it doesn't exist. I use this as an example because there is noone effectively fighting against the claim that they don't exist even though it is possible that they could in some fashion. This apperantly only applies to god. (Also I dunno, a horse might develop a horn if there are predators with tough skin put into it's habitat, that'd be a cool development XD)

Oh no I was more talking about the fact that with almost everything if it can't be proven, than most people will write it off as false. However with god, people get this notion of it having to be proven wrong instead, when they should still be asking theists to prove it beforehand.

Quick question out of curiosity, how do you know your experience proves god?
#106 to #98 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
God didn't write the Bible. It was written by old, biased ***** . Come on, Atheist, use logic.
User avatar #108 to #106 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
I do not disagree that it is a fairytale written by humans, however I was talking in the sense that the bible is supposedly gods word, which he gave to humans. (Again I'm simply talking about this in how it is viewed, not how I perceive it)
#111 to #108 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
People take the Bible too seriously. I know 99% of it is ******** , but it gives people Faith and prayer is a way to spiritually and/or emotionally vent your problems. And MAYBE, some things may not be able to be explained through science.
User avatar #122 to #111 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
Faith is useless, faith is to accept ignorance and where else is it acceptable to accept ignorance as a problem solving strategy? Nowhere.

Prayer is just whatever to me, I personally find it insulting people think they are actually do anything to help, considering their god was the one who made whatever they are praying to stop or vent about happen anyways. But whatever, if they think it helps then why not.

#132 to #122 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
That was the most ignorant thing I've read. You can't tell someone that their spiritual habits aren't powerful. It's real enough to some people.
User avatar #135 to #132 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
Yes, I can. It doesn't do anything, simply believing it does doesn't change that fact.
#139 to #135 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
I usually don't care about this sort of thing, but that's ****** . You sound like a dick to me.
User avatar #144 to #139 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
How does it make me a dick? I mean I see what you mean, and people can view it as they want, but what is so wrong with telling somebody that no matter how much they believe something, some times it just doesn't work out the way they want.

You have to explain it to a kid when his dog dies that no matter how much he wants him back he has to accept this inevitability. So what is wrong with telling full grown adults that their delusion isn't helping? I may be getting the quote wrong but I refer to: "One pair of hands helping, is worth infinitely more than a million pairs praying"
#151 to #144 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
You're basically telling someone that has worshipped WHOEVER for all of his/her life that their creator doesn't exist. People with faith feel like their creator put them on Earth for a reason. You would crush and devastate these people in more ways than 1. That's what makes you a dick.
User avatar #155 to #151 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
But you're saying that like I care about those things. I care about what is real, not what someone believes to feel good.

Someone could eat glue their entire life, even be told that eating glue is good for you. Glue may make them incredibly happy and feel confident that glue will always be good for their body. Doesn't mean I'm not going to tell them that they are wrong, and that eating glue could severely hurt you, or that they are ignoring obvious medical facts. It would probably crush that person.

So if it makes me a dick then fine, I'd rather be a dick by telling people not to be ignorant than to not be a dick and just let ignorance go on unopposed.
#164 to #155 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
People like you disgust me. There's no use in talking to you.
User avatar #176 to #164 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
I disgust you? Alrighty then.

Please tell me the pro-argument for letting that person in my analogy eat glue all that they want. Please, I'd love to hear it.
#183 to #176 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
Eating glue and religion are two very different ball-parks, you imbecile. Eating glue can make you sick, no **** , but have you ever seen someone suffer through physical pain in having faith? No.
User avatar #195 to #183 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
So telling a child they will go to hell if they don't believe in god isn't pain or child abuse?

Not only that, but faith promotes ignorance and religion is detrimental to the social/economic/ and political aspects of a country.

And what if the person eating glue doesn't see as getting sick as a bad thing, but a blessing.

They aren't in two different ball parks, each has someone doing something that is harmful but they view it as a good thing.
#371 to #195 - samanthasky (07/15/2012) [-]
You would tell a child that they would go to HEAVEN if they believed in God, not the other way around... js.
User avatar #550 to #371 - noblexfenrir (07/15/2012) [-]
You are also telling them that they will go to hell if they don't. Sorry but there isn't a difference between the two, it is either required or implied for this to be explained.
#200 to #195 - digolopey (07/15/2012) [-]
You're the same as one of those Christians who forces the religion down people's throats, but the opposite. Why should I even consider anything you're saying? Answer: I shouldn't. **** you, I'm going to bed.
#325 to #200 - anonymous (07/15/2012) [-]
Oh man, a butt hurt christian stormed out of the argument.
#368 to #325 - samanthasky (07/15/2012) [-]
I think no matter how much you argue/debate/discuss, certain Atheists and certain Christians will never get along. I'm an Episcopalian, and we are basically open to any view point.. but all religion aside, noblexfenrir could have formulated his viewpoint differently.

Good bye.
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