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#4 - LocoJoe (07/08/2012) [-]
Dat trigger discipline.
#2 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
how about we stop with the anti hate stuff on here. it is neither funny or helping anything that you stand for
#13 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
Some people dislike rape, but we shouldn't base our laws on personal dislikes....

Go back and get a better argument.
User avatar #39 to #13 - nightmaren (07/08/2012) [-]
Yeah, because it's not like the rapee is put through pain and mental trauma because of the rape or anything, it's just the government's personal opinion that rape is bad, and that's why it's illegal.
#48 to #39 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
Yeah, because it's not like victims of gun violence are put through pain and mental trauma or anything. Get a better argument.
User avatar #50 to #48 - nightmaren (07/08/2012) [-]
Sorry, when I wrote that comment I didn't process what he was arguing.
User avatar #23 to #13 - techketzer (07/08/2012) [-]
There is a difference betwen a personal matter of free choice and a violent crime.
The argument is actually valid.

As usual, you're full of **** , anon.
User avatar #54 - hdierks (07/08/2012) [-]
did they seriously put an eotech on an airsoft gun? expensive ****
User avatar #77 to #54 - runeception (07/09/2012) [-]
i bought mine for about 20bucks...
#82 to #54 - jakeattack ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
those are fancy lesbians
User avatar #67 to #54 - hachiro (07/09/2012) [-]
Airsofters take their **** seriously :V
User avatar #69 to #67 - hdierks (07/09/2012) [-]
**** , but an eotech? those are several hundred bucks
User avatar #72 to #69 - hachiro (07/09/2012) [-]
Well, They do make damn good replicas for only about 200
User avatar #73 to #72 - hdierks (07/09/2012) [-]
but why not just buy a cheap reflex red dot? i got a like 10 dollar one for my .22 rifle that actually works pretty well, hell of a lot cheaper
User avatar #76 to #73 - hachiro (07/09/2012) [-]
the other quirk about airsoft is that we like realism, and those $200 replicas perform real damn well. Also, $10 for a laser red dot? Are you afraid to flick it? XD
User avatar #47 - popadoo (07/08/2012) [-]
Last I checked guns were invented with the sole purpose to kill or harm people.
User avatar #63 to #47 - mylazy ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
So, you think that making them, say, illegal is gonna help? The people that will use it to harm others will still get their hands on them and guess what. The people that are going to be harmed won't be able to protect themselves because, hey, he got rid of all his guns. All because you don't like em.
User avatar #52 to #47 - trostell (07/08/2012) [-]
If I remember correctly, most of the major advancements in guns were for the purpose of hunting game. Like the percussion cap and rifling.
User avatar #53 to #47 - lolpocalypse (07/08/2012) [-]
created with the sole purpose of protection, used for the sole purpose of harm.
User avatar #58 to #53 - dingojohn (07/08/2012) [-]
".50 Barret m95 for your personal protection"

Because, that's what you need when there's a burglar !
User avatar #60 to #58 - lolpocalypse (07/09/2012) [-]
well.. I'd feel a lot safer
User avatar #62 to #60 - dingojohn (07/09/2012) [-]
True **** .. But I would feel much more safe if nobody else had guns.

Which is why I love Denmark.
User avatar #70 to #62 - lolpocalypse (07/09/2012) [-]
btw someone is thumbin you down, i'll protect you...

with a fully automatic machine-thumb
User avatar #68 to #62 - lolpocalypse (07/09/2012) [-]
I live in denmark, and I own an M1911 pistol, 2 PDWs, a sixer' rage limited edition shotgun, and enough ammo to swim in
User avatar #71 to #68 - dingojohn (07/09/2012) [-]
and either you got those illegally (which is not that common), or you went through quite a lot of work to get them.

I'm not a supporter of PDWs and handguns for civilians, but it's not that common in Denmark. I meant more as opposed to the insane amount of weapons in the US.
User avatar #83 to #71 - lolpocalypse (07/09/2012) [-]
I was kidding, and I made some of the guns up as well.

User avatar #106 to #83 - dingojohn (07/09/2012) [-]
Hah, you actually got me, though I gotta admit I was surprised. It's very uncommon to own handguns, even though it is possible through shooting-clubs, and you have to be a member for a certain number of years, and the guns will have to be stored at the club.

A friend of mine is a hunter though, and he has a double-barrel shotgun and 400 buckshots lying in his gun-cabinet in his room.
#61 to #58 - anon (07/09/2012) [-]
Why the **** would someone use a .50 for home defense... getting it around a corner and shooting it upright you'd go flying back..also that statement was ment for military use.
User avatar #66 to #61 - dingojohn (07/09/2012) [-]
Do I really need to tell you that I was being sarcastic towards the remark that all guns are made for protection ?

Unless you are protecting yourself from a bear in a kevlar-bomb suit half a mile away, why would you need a rifle of that magnitude ?
User avatar #30 - stonecoldcrazy (07/08/2012) [-]
i thought the black thing beneath her nose was a dirt mark on my monitor and i actually tried cleaning it...
#1 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
Then it must be ok to use my guns to shoot all the gays since I dislike them.
User avatar #6 - graphenz (07/08/2012) [-]
Guns: potential dangerous, would be awesome to get rid of.
Homosexuality: Harms noone, does nothing, just buttsecks
User avatar #18 to #6 - cellaluna (07/08/2012) [-]
guns can be used for self defense.
User avatar #19 to #18 - graphenz (07/08/2012) [-]
buuuuuut if there were no guns and people weren't retarded no guns were needed, Denmark has no guns, we do not have any problems with muggers or violence.
User avatar #21 to #19 - cellaluna (07/08/2012) [-]
other countries have guns. a majority of them don't go for the "world peace" agenda so forcing them to give up their guns doesn't seem like a possibility any time soon either.
User avatar #22 to #21 - graphenz (07/08/2012) [-]
I just don't see the need for guns? I mean what's so important that you need guns? Is it that important to be able to kill people within seconds that a knife or your fists aren't enough? What about drunk people with guns? I would NEVER ever feel safe in a town with gun nuts and bars, I mean what if they got drunk, you pissed them off, and bam they shot you? just because of alcohol induced rage. So, so, so many people die every day in America due to mug/robbery/murder due to guns, a mere stab wound can be treated if tended to quickly, and fists just bruises you a little, or at least in a drunk condition.
User avatar #78 to #22 - Jewssassin ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
Who do you live with in Denmark? Other people from Denmark, right? Well if you are an American you could be a alot of things. Black, Japanese, Chinese, Jewish, Irish, whatever. Now these people dont always get along with eachother, thats why there are gangs. Now most of the time gangs bring crime, and criminals use guns. Do you really think that criminals get their guns legally? Of course they ******* dont. You can easily look up studies on You need to login to view this link websites. You can You need to login to view this link You need to login to view this link also but they might be biased. So we established that criminals dont buy their guns through legal means, which means that if we hammer down on the legal means to buy them (the ones I use) its not going to put a damper on a whole hell of alot. There are a few laws which I do like, like a two week waiting period on buying a hand gun. Part of its reason is to help prevent a crime of passion where you are just SO pissed that you dont know whats right, the two weeks could give you time to cool down. Now on to the "why need guns" thing. Well, I dont NEED guns, hell I dont need a car nor do I need xbox, but I enjoy having them. I have two rifles, one small new one and one larger old as balls Soviet rifle. I go to the range every now and then and spend usually about two hours putting holes in paper targets, then go home and I clean my rifles. I see NO reason for me to not to be able to do that. I cross my Ts and dot my Is when it comes to gun laws and I dont think its right that I should be punished because some yinyangs down in the city get guns from Mexican drug cartels. Personally I think we should move all of the "HURR DURR WAR ON DRUGS, STOP SELLING WEED!" money and move it to bringing down gangs and cartels.
#85 to #22 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
I like to be able to defend myself. If someone breaks into my house where my family lives I'm not going to fight you. You're going to leave my house in two possible ways. That's running with **** in your pants or in a bag with more holes in your body.
User avatar #24 to #22 - techketzer (07/08/2012) [-]
Then go on, try and dis-invent the gun.
Just try. I'd love to watch you.
User avatar #57 to #24 - msvegeta (07/08/2012) [-]
It don't think uninventing guns is the argument here. Just outlawing them.
User avatar #117 to #57 - techketzer (07/13/2012) [-]
If you want the gun gone, laws won't do the trick.
Not even close.
#86 to #57 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
Outlawing them doesn't ******* work. The opposite works. Chicago. Do your research.
User avatar #88 to #86 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Geez, you sure don't like me. And you're not very respectful.

I have done my research. I've lived in England. And it works fairly well there. It just has to be well implemented. Crimes aren't eliminated, but not as many people die.

Let me tell you an anecdote. I knew a boy in 8th grade, who was a little bit of a rebel. I don't think he grew up in a good family environment. Well, his parents left a handgun around, and he was curious. So he swung it around and joked with his little brother. He pretended to fire at his little brother, but he didn't know his gun safety, and the gun went off accidentally. His little brother got shot in the jaw. Can you imagine?
Little things like that happen all the time. It's just not worth the risk having guns around.
#90 to #88 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
That's not the guns fault. That's the idiot humans fault. Like I said. Look into Chicago and you'll really see how wrong you are.
User avatar #93 to #90 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Listen. I don't care about Chicago. That's only one failure of gun control that you can name. Gun control has worked. I can point to many places where gun control can be attributed to less deaths in massacres, etc.

You say that the little boy getting shot is not the gun's fault. It is the 8th grader's fault. However, imagine if it were not a gun. Imagine if the gun were never there. People are stupid, and will make mistakes all the time. But without guns, the results of those mistakes are less likely to be deadly. If the 8th grader was messing with a knife, it would have been considerably less likely for his brother to die.

You'll notice that you have no thumbs down. That's because I recognize that this is a difficult debacle and I respect your opinion. I disagree, but I won't be patronizing to you about it. And I will be the bigger person and not thumb down in debates.
I hope you will treat my argument as valid also.
User avatar #118 to #93 - techketzer (07/13/2012) [-]
"Gun control has worked."

User avatar #120 to #118 - msvegeta (07/13/2012) [-]
You know that this is a dead thread, right? I don't really feel like talking about this anymore. You're not providing evidence, you're just criticizing me. And you thumb down everything I say. I'm down for an intellectual, mutually respectful discussion any day, but you're just a touch too butthurt for that.

And that, good sir, is the end of discussion.
#94 to #93 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
My grandpa was a cop and came home and would put his gun on the table while he washed up and did whatever he had to do. My mom, aunt, and uncle knew to never touch his gun no matter what. Case and point that it's the human and not the gun. I can prove to you over and over and over that gun control doesn't work. All gun control does is take guns out of law biding citizens. You can compare cities with gun control to cities without and the ones without win every time.
User avatar #96 to #94 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
You are completely missing my point. Yeah, it's the person. But the fact that stupid people can be near guns makes it easier for them to do disastrously stupid things. You can't control people, but you can control how dangerous their blunders are.

And dude, stop talking out of your ass. You say that "you can compare cities with gun control to cities without and the ones without win every time." But I have seen no evidence from you. If you want to make that point, you're going to have to back that up with numbers.
#99 to #96 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
All you're trying to do is control people. You're telling me what I can and can't do. People can be stupid with anything and kill people. Are you going to take away all of those things too?
Here's your numbers.
http://www dot justfacts dot com/guncontrol.asp
User avatar #103 to #99 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Anyway, I'm not really arguing for the total banning of guns. I just think there should be stronger control- like background checks.

It's funny that I've stayed calm this whole time while (sort of) playing the devil's advocate, and I can see that you're taking all this so personally. You've insulted me, and accused me of trying to control you. Maybe debating isn't for you. You've got to keep a more open mind, so that you can recognize the validity of other arguments. It makes your own that much stronger.
User avatar #101 to #99 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Geez, you sure are hateful and rude.
I'm not trying to tell you what you can and can't do. I'm arguing the policies I think my nation should take. I'm not going to take away your guns. I'm just advocating what I think the government should do. Stop treating me like a scapegoat for your problems with pro-gun control people. I'm not taking your opinion like a personal insult.

And, uh, have you even read your numbers? A lot of them support my view. For example, I don't know what you were talking about with Chicago, but ince the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect.
User avatar #105 to #101 - graphenz (07/09/2012) [-]
I would like to point out that I started a **** storm, pointing out that Homosexuality and gun control is nothing a like. Just saying.
User avatar #107 to #105 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
I don't think it's you who started the ********* . I made a similar comment, and no ********* ensued. It's because certain people replied to you that the ********* happened.
User avatar #20 to #19 - graphenz (07/08/2012) [-]
was, was God damnit :P
#25 to #6 - acaciastrain (07/08/2012) [-]
Guns make cities safer. Be an idiot somewhere else.
User avatar #27 to #6 - techketzer (07/08/2012) [-]
You see the blame in the tools instead of their abusers.
A firearm is an inanimate object, it has no fault.
User avatar #59 to #27 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
A firearm is made for the purpose of killing things. It doesn't kill people, but it sure makes killing people a whole lot faster and easier. That's the problem.
User avatar #119 to #59 - techketzer (07/13/2012) [-]
What it's made for is absolutely irrelevant.
It's all about what it's used for.
#84 to #59 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
So does a chainsaw. Where's the problem there? Why aren't you banning chainsaws? I've shot several guns in my life and have never killed anything and there are thousands and thousands more like me. Quit being an idiot.
User avatar #87 to #84 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Hey man, you shouldn't go calling me an idiot. Part of rational debate is respecting and understanding the other person's point of view. That's how humanity progresses, by slowing reaching conclusions through spread of information and premises. We need open-mindedness.

Now I'm going to ignore your bad manners while I provide you and example of a well reasoned and respectful response-
1) I said that "firearm is made for the purpose of killing things." You said, "so does a chainsaw." However, chainsaws were not in fact manufactured for the purpose of killing. Typically, they are used to cut flora such as trees.
2) Why aren't I banning chainsaws? They are put to a legitimate, constructive use. They are a tool for cutting things down. There were designed for that purpose. Guns were not designed for anything useful other than killing (to simplify the situation.) Also, chainsaws are not used as frequently in massacres as guns are. Probably because guns are easier to kill people with.
3) There are thousands of people like you who don't use guns for ill. That's great. And I don't have a problem with that. But it's the few dumb people that make guns so dangerous. It's not worth the risk. Also, if a person like you were drunk with guns around, that's a dangerous risk. Just not worth it.

#89 to #87 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
1) Guns are not made for the sole purpose of killing. There are plenty of guns that will never kill a living soul. So there goes your argument right there.
2)Guns can also be put to a legitimate, constructive use. Like when someone tries to break in to my house or rob me on the street I can walk away and not be harmed by this thug.
3) If the thousands of people like me aren't the ones you need to worry about. Then why are you taking my right away? Go up to all the ****** gang bangers and ask them to hand over their guns. I'm sure it will go over well. It's proven time and time again that gun control doesn't work. I'll keep my gun so I can protect myself from thugs.
User avatar #91 to #89 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
1) Proof? What guns are not made for the purpose of killing things. I'm not talking about taser guns or air-soft or paintball or tranquilizers. Can you even name a model?
2) There are different tools you can use. Like pepperspray and tasers. Lethal means of protection are not necessary.
3) It's little dangers that can happen everyday. You can make a mistake, or be drunk one night. Who knows? It's a matter of safetly for everybody.
#92 to #91 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
Every gun I have held has never killed a single thing. Anything can be used to kill somebody and pretty easily. It's not the gun killing people it's the thugs that get their hands on them.
People can get around pepper spray and tasers. I like knowing that I can stop the threat right away.
Your reasoning still sucks. You might get drunk and drive your car. You shouldn't be able to drive a car ever.
User avatar #95 to #92 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
"Your reasoning still sucks"- Stop being insulting, I address your logical fallacies in every comment. For example, you gave me no proof for guns that aren't made to kill. So your previous point about that is moot.

Let me now address more of your fallacious arguments-
1) "anything can be used to kill somebody and pretty easily"- Guns are different because it's a lot easier to kill with them, because they are made expressly for that purpose
2) "it's not the gun killing people it's the thugs"- yeah, and the guns make it a lot easier for them to kill people fast. And guns can kill on accident too, as with the 8th grader I described earlier. So thugs aren't the only ones giving guns a bad name.
3) "people can get around pepper spray and tasers"- they can get around guns too. I have a neighbor who got robbed by armed burglars and he leaped at them when they weren't expecting it, and took the gun. Aaaand if that happened to you, you just gave your burglar a murder weapon.
4) The car comparison is not a valid one because there are cops on the streets to stop drunk drivers. They make it safer. They can't watch all gun owners in their homes, however. Also, cars were not made to kill. Guns were made to kill. It is easier to accidentally kill someone with a gun than a car.
#97 to #95 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
1) Can still be applied to many different objects. When I buy my guns I am not buying it to kill people. I'm buying it for protection and sport.
2) Accidents happen. Usually when people aren't disciplined. Still the humans fault.
3) It still stands that if someone enters my house illegally I would rather have my 9 than a wimpy can of pepper spray.
4) People are still killed by drunk drivers every day. So like I said. You can't drive because I know what is best for you better than you do.
User avatar #98 to #97 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
1) So... you use your gun for sport? What kind of sport? Hunting? As in killing animals? If that's the case, I'd say that wanting guns for sport is not a good reason. "Oh, guns are fine and I like to use them to kill animals!" Yeah, no. And if that's not what you meant by sport, the fact remains that guns were made for killing. That's what they're made for. Doesn't matter what you use it for, it matters what they are made for and how they have been used. 44% of gun-related crimes are homocides. Yeah.
2) Accidents happen. But they can be less deadly without guns. Please address that argument, you haven't yet.
3) Pepper spray is not wimpy. Have you ever been sprayed? It does **** . And tasers completely immobilize you. Also, have the reason of having a gun is that you can just scare burglars away by having one. Tasers and pepper spray have the same effect.
4) Fewer people are killed by drunk drivers than by guns.
#100 to #98 - acaciastrain (07/09/2012) [-]
Target shooting is sport. I shoot target. And as for hunters. Most eat what they kill. Also not a problem. So because fewer people are killed then it's ok. I gotcha. If you teach people how to handle guns there is no accidents. Case and point every time my grandpa set his gun on the table. A gun has much more stopping power than a taser or mace. People have been known to keep coming at you when getting hit by either.
User avatar #104 to #100 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
You've been thumbing me down irrationally all this time. Just for my opinion.

Well, not even my opinion. There were some logical fallacies that you could have addressed in my arguments. You never used the data you provided, and it could have supported you a lot.

Anyway, I gave you a taste of your own medicine. Now we're even.
#109 to #104 - acaciastrain (07/10/2012) [-]
http://pjmedia dot com/blog/states-with-stricter-gun-control-laws-are-less-safe/
User avatar #110 to #109 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
Obviously biased. You can manipulate statistics any way you want. Remember, AFTER something does not equal BECAUSE of.
User avatar #111 to #110 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
Any remedial student of logic knows this.
User avatar #102 to #100 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
People do get taught to handle guns. But mistakes can be made no matter what. So teaching gun safety is not as efficient a measure.

And I think if tasers work for the british police, they're good enough for everybody. It still serves as a good deterrent.
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User avatar #12 to #10 - spearpwi (07/08/2012) [-]
I can safely say now that you're living in a dream world if you think you can teach an entire nation (not to mention one of the biggest) to respect the responsibility involved in owning a gun and knowing the right time to use it. Too many angry dads with promiscuous daughters and definitely far too many poor people who'd abuse the power of owning a gun just so they could feed a family.
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#114 to #16 - nightstar ONLINE (07/12/2012) [-]
Since gun violence is at the hands of criminals I doubt they would sign up for any safety courses. All that you are doing with those is punishing, and stealing money from, the law abiding citizens you are trying to protect...
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#116 to #115 - nightstar ONLINE (07/13/2012) [-]
Everyday people are injured using chainsaws and toasters too. We don't need other people to tell us how to do things. Dumb people are going to be dumb no matter how many "safety" classes they are asked to take.
#14 to #6 - nightstar ONLINE (07/08/2012) [-]
Let me go old school on you here...

Guns don't kill people; Idiots with guns kill people.
User avatar #56 to #14 - msvegeta (07/08/2012) [-]
guns make it a whole lot easier. if an idiot went on a killing spree with a gun and some other idiot went on a killing spree with a knife, who would kill more people? Yeah. the guy with the tool designed for killing quickly and conveniently.
#112 to #56 - nightstar ONLINE (07/12/2012) [-]
...and if anyone could carry a gun anywhere at any time, that crazed gun carrying person would be stopped very fast.
User avatar #113 to #112 - msvegeta (07/12/2012) [-]
He'd be stopped pretty fast, but he'd probably be able to get several shots in before people get their guns out.
#8 to #6 - auburntigerses (07/08/2012) [-]
Oh and I assume that you are the person to speak for the entire population?
User avatar #17 to #8 - graphenz (07/08/2012) [-]
Yes, they call me "Denmark" actually I'm just pointing out that homosexuality and gun control has nothing to do with eachothers :P
#64 - anon (07/09/2012) [-]
Everyone shut up and enjoy the lesbians with the toy gun!
#32 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
If I made the laws Gingers would have a bad time..
User avatar #26 - boeka (07/08/2012) [-]
Guns cause a lot of deaths. (Of course one can use a rock as a weapon if need be, but armed murders / school shootings and so on is what I mean.)

Gays cause some.. *cough* movies with great .. actors..., epic (males') fashion and look at their flag. It's a damn rainbow. A rainbow. Like one of those things ponies **** , y'know? How awesome.
User avatar #81 - demandsgayversion (07/09/2012) [-]
One issue is based on murder and accidents while the other is "eww, I don't like what they are doing"
#29 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
Some people dislike murder. That's no reason to outlaw it though. Same goes for orphan rape.
#3 - anon (07/08/2012) [-]
I dislike ugly chicks
#9 - RageGuyyourmom (07/08/2012) [-]
Hey **** you this is America we can base laws off of whatever the **** we want
User avatar #80 - aggiefan (07/09/2012) [-]
I saw the thing under her nose, and tried to wipe it off thinking it was something on my screen. lol
#79 - DoctorWaffless (07/09/2012) [-]
Anyone else think her mole was dirt on their monitor?
User avatar #75 - lazypaul (07/09/2012) [-]
Except people cant kill other people with gay couples. Or at least I don't think so...
#74 - sexypandas (07/09/2012) [-]
Some people dislike gingers.
User avatar #65 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
That's a logical fallacy, called a false comparison. The issues of gay rights and gun control are completely unrelated. The connection made between them here is oversimplified.
I'm not even going to say whether I support gun rights or not. I'm just going to say, that's a ****** argument with a lot of holes. Go get a better argument. There are decent argument for guns.

Also, that wasn't funny and I came for funny.
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