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#1074 - airguitar (06/16/2012) [-]
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I am voting for Ron Paul this upcoming election. It is the first time I can vote and I am an economics major who is strongly libertarian. I dont give a shit if he wont win, I'm voting for the one man I believe in, I'll write-in his name on the ballot.

I just felt like saying it...
User avatar #1249 to #1074 - ohshitblackpeople (06/17/2012) [-]
Did you know Ron Paul's son supports Romney?
User avatar #1251 to #1249 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
What is the significance of this?
User avatar #1255 to #1251 - ohshitblackpeople (06/17/2012) [-]
And by the way, I'm just going to say it now, we're not going to get along. I'm a faithful Conservative pro-life catholic. no disrespects to your beliefs.
User avatar #1257 to #1255 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
Just because we disagree does not mean we can not get along. I'm kind of shaky on abortion, it is one of the areas where I can understand both sides of the argument. The one conservative stance that usually bothers me is not allowing gay marriage. Chiefly because gay people rarely care about the religious ceremony, they just want to be classified as "married" and want the financial benefits that come with being married.
User avatar #1253 to #1251 - ohshitblackpeople (06/17/2012) [-]
Just though I'd share. Ron Paul isn't a good representative for the republican party. apparently his son agrees.
User avatar #1256 to #1253 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
I don't think he is either. Honestly, he is more in between republicans and Democrats than he tries to say. He says things like "Gay marriage should be decided by the states" so he sounds republican but in reality I kind of doubt he is all that against it. He should still be a libertarian or independent honestly.

I don't know about his son too much but I know they're pretty similar in ideology. What were people saying about this?
User avatar #1267 to #1256 - detrek (06/17/2012) [-]
Paul is a libertarian, as many know.

Right wing is for smaller government, left for bigger.

Libertarian wants very very very small government, even smaller than what Republicans go for. Which leads me to the conclusion that Libertarians are actually very right-winged. On the topics like weed and gay marriage, Libertarians show their small differences from Republicans. Since they want almost no gov't, they basically show that they don't care if you want to smoke or get married.

I'm tired and if that didn't make sense then I'm sorry.
User avatar #1268 to #1267 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
That is true. But atleast for me, I view it as "liberty". It is the belief in liberty. Being able to do what you want with your money is included in that. However, I think you cannot claim it "more right wing" because it has aspects of both the right and left. A real libertarian believes abortion should be legal, same with guns and gay marriage and I see those as some of the most important differences- along with not wanting war.

However, yes, the economic beliefs are quite similar. I believe Romney would be better for the economy and was leaning toward voting for him but when he said he does not support gay marriage to that extent I said "Fuck him, Ron Paul it is!"
User avatar #1346 to #1268 - detrek (06/17/2012) [-]
But what Libertarians push for is a lack of government. They aren't essentially pro-choice, anti-gun control etc, they just think the gov't shouldn't decide those things. If you look at 2 sides of a debate, one side is on the defensive and the other on the offensive. The defensive side would still be able to act out their beliefs no matter what happens, the offensive side wants their beliefs to become legal. Using this terminoligy, Libertarians are offensive, so it doesn't matter the topic they will always support more choice in the people's hands.

I'm still half-asleep so if that doesn't make sense then sorry.
User avatar #1347 to #1346 - detrek (06/17/2012) [-]
Wow that came off as wrong. Ignore offensive and defensive, just call it A and B. It makes it sound like they're coming to kill you.
User avatar #1355 to #1347 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
That's still some libertarians, the ones involved with politics. If you talk with college professors, authors, and Austrian economists- they will tell you that what makes an economy work is the individual people, declaring the economy is not an entity of itself. When I have talked with peers of similar beliefs, yes, they want people to do do whatever they want- but this is a stance to lower controversy. They really do believe governments should be oppressive and people should have their own choices which as you said is represented by pro-life essentially.

We're talking kind of all over the place, what you said is true for the most part but the belief at the core is that the government should not MAKE someone pay money, then spend the money on something the person wouldn't approve of and etc. It's all about liberty.
User avatar #1359 to #1355 - detrek (06/17/2012) [-]
Dunno, all I want at the end of the day is to not be barraged with taxes and be told what I can or can't do (excluding moral issues like rape, murder, etc).

Whatever politician can give me that will get my vote. Unfortunate that not as many people follow their individual beliefs and instead follow Republican or Democrat, and do whatever the party wants.
User avatar #1361 to #1359 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
Exactly. Honestly, Obama and Romney are VERY similar. Like I honestly think there will be little to no difference between the two of them. I was leaning toward Romney because I felt like he could destroy the economy less (because neither of them are going to help). But fuck him, marriage should be between only a man and a woman eh? Well I'm voting for Ron Paul now and I don't care if he doesn't win- I'm voting for someone I believe in.
User avatar #1223 to #1074 - robopuppy (06/17/2012) [-]
I like Paul's message and some of his messages but he is also not perfect. after all he supported the Texas anti sodomy law because he believed it was (and technically it is) constitutional, he has a great core message but I can't support everything about him.
User avatar #1226 to #1223 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
Mhmm, I don't agree with him on everything. I strongly believe in gay rights/marriage and am pro-abortion for at least the reason that I am a man and shouldn't decide for women. But I greatly respect how much he believes in his views, he doesn't give a damn what the voters think, he does and says what he believes in. I also strongly agree with his economics and anti-war views.
User avatar #1228 to #1226 - robopuppy (06/17/2012) [-]
the anti war opinion was quite refreshing during the republican debates. I just think Paul is a little too extreme in keeping with the constitution. That would be great if the constitution actually changed anymore, but sadly the last amendment was in the early 90s and the one before in the early 70s. We definitely need a more fluid constitution.
User avatar #1230 to #1228 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
Yea but it is sad how much the other candidates DON'T know the constitution. Regardless of the times, it is still a representatives duty to uphold the constitution. I wouldn't want him as a president always, I believe too strongly in some social freedoms like gay marriage to always support him. However, I believe he is the only candidate who understands how big of a mess the U.S. is in right now. especially looking at the other republican candidates who think we could go in more wars and be fine.
User avatar #1186 to #1074 - pokemonstheshiz (06/17/2012) [-]
Cool alternative to Ron Paul is Gary Johnson. He is also libertarian, plus those votes will actually count. In some states, write ins don't even count if the candidate is not on the ballot.
User avatar #1188 to #1186 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
I'll look him up but I am quite fond of Paul. I am going to read one or two of his books after finishing a book I am currently on- thank's for the advise!
User avatar #1157 to #1074 - herecomesjohnny ONLINE (06/16/2012) [-]
there are two parts in a leader. First, there's the ideas, and then there's the executive temperament. Ron Paul's got great ideas, but he's not exactly a Che Guevara capable of electrifying Congress and people to blindly follow him..
User avatar #1163 to #1157 - airguitar (06/17/2012) [-]
Although some people may think otherwise, that's not what this country needs right now. This country needs someone who understands the consequences of different problems facing the nation. None of the other candidates understand how big of a problem the national debt, the wars, and much of the economic legislation is.

On top of that, he does not care about appealing to the public. Although that is one of his biggest downfalls in the elections, it is one of the reasons I have so much respect for him. Even if I didn't support his beliefs I still would have that respect, he has hard beliefs and does not change them to win votes. He is the perfect representative but not a great candidate.
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