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#583975 - SRsoccerstar
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Hi Anime/Manga Board! I have a theory I wanted to run-by you guys, tell me what you think.

I feel like there is so much hate towards anime that are mainstream or semi-mainstream. I find that anyone that people go a little out of their way to be passive aggressive or directly aggressive against people that post pictures or text about those types of shows, such as Naruto, One Piece, Bleach etc..

Many would argue that the shows are simply garbage and they hate it but I feel it has something to do with a hipster complex more or less. To some degree, I find these people just hate it because its popular or because maybe they like it before it really caught on. Its just a theory, but otherwise how can you justify all the outward aggression towards it. I'm sure there are plenty of other anime disagreements but it seems people go out of their way to be argumentative when people post about mainstream anime.

So its just a thought, you guys can feel free to discuss, call me an idiot, whatever you feel necessary, I just wanted to share. I thought of this when I noticed people constantly making remarks when i'd post sword art pictures or things of the like. Any ideas would be appreciated!
#584202 to #583975 - killerliquid
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I wont be explaining too, too much on my points but bear with me.

Well, everything ultimately boils down to the reader's opinion and the author's mentality. By mentality I mean how strong they are against the growing trends and focus more on what they wanted to do before than what people expect from all the trends happening. For example, the reason why The Big 3 were so popular is because they all had really great starts in terms of writing and the number of readers.

After the great starts that each of them had (ie Bleach's Soul Society arc and the first seasons of Naruto I don't know about One Piece) as well as the gradual rise of the popularity of anime in the west. Another point would be the demographic of it, shounen. While there would be comedy and action for the younger viewers (6~12) there was also an easy to follow but easy to get into story and writing for the older ones (13+).

As for the popularity of something like SAO goes, it would be because of the lack of character development and a set of awesome characters only to be rewritten as cliched character types such as the tsundere (Asuna), the 'imouto' (Suguha), and the "perfect MC". The lack of character development would probably be cause by mistakes by the writers and the amount of episodes they could get with their budget. They tried to fit 2 volumes worth of source material into 14 episodes (3 or 4 epsiodes being side stories, the characters of those side stories didn't even show up in the later episodes, just thrown away like garbage) and another 2 volumes worth into 10 episodes. So, 4+10+10 formula appears leading everything to seem rushed as fuck, even more so than Angel Beats (but Angel Beats was a 12 episode original anime so...wat). They could have made SAO much more interesting by putting in an episode formula like so 5+1+1+5+1+1+5+5. 1's being the side stories as pseudo transition episodes from arc to arc. And the higher numbers being said arcs. Character count running out...
#584206 to #584202 - killerliquid
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Or even throw out the side stories since the characters in them were so forgettable.
#584160 to #583975 - samusthegreat
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Though I do believe people get over defensive about their anime and call each other "haters", there are the people who will, no matter what, call an anime shit just because they want to seem cool/act hipster/express their opinions as facts. I think the truth is most people who hate on Naruto etc. have seen those shows and probably at one point or another enjoyed those shows. I don't see why it has to turn into this huge clusterfuck of trying to be right when everything is objective opinions.

If you don't like Naruto, fine. But don't try and make everyone else hate it just because you think you're right. If you love Naruto, that's fine too, but don't think that everyone has to like it. I hate this elitist group of people who say "Your taste in anime is shit, now look at my awesome taste in anime." Most of the time people won't even attempt to express their opinions with class or using facts and evidence, they will simply say "It's ____ because I say it is."

Besides all that, most people seem to look at the vocal minority/majority of an anime's fanbase and use that to judge every person who has seen it. Have your opinions on things, but don't try to take away other people's opinions just because you like something they don't, and vice versa.

TL;DR: People will express their opinions as fact no matter what the situation is. Like the anime you like and hate the anime you hate without trying to force your opinions onto other people.
#584100 to #583975 - redclover
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(04/01/2013) [-]
First, we have to define what makes up a "mainstream anime"

First we have anime that even people who don't like anime have heard of and maybe even watched (ex: Naruto, Bleach, DBZ). Then we have anime that all/most entry level anime viewers have seen (ex: Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Toradora). And then there's anime that all/most regular viewers have seen (ex: Fate/Zero, Madoka)

For the purpose of this thread, I'll assume we're dealing with the first group of anime, maybe drifting into the second group as well.


They are flashy and interesting at first glance, and this is usually all it takes to get people to start watching it. This itself is not a bad thing, but when the flash and excitement that comes with watching a show for the first time is all it's got, then you get into the problems. They usually have bad story-telling, and they try to make up for it with the action scenes. Some of these action scenes have some of the most amazing fights you've ever scene, but they are drawn and animated quickly to meet deadlines, and the quality suffers. The longer the show runs, the further and further it strays from the exciting first few episodes. In order to keep your attention, unnecessary suspense is often thrown into new episodes, only to have an unsatisfying conclusion. And sometimes there is forced drama when there doesn't need to be.

What it boils down to is availability. The more available to the public an anime is, the more flashy it needs to be to grab their attention. The studios that make the shows that are considered mainstream know that they can make a profit off of just the popularity of the show, so why bother going beyond what is needed? A lot of mainstream shows are made to be marketable, and it clearly shows in art, script, and over all production value of the anime.
#584104 to #584100 - redclover
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And then there's the fanbase to consider.

The most vocal parts of a mainstream anime's fanbase are often the fans that are too blinded by their love of the show to find any flaw in it. They will refuse to accept any criticism on what they deem to be a masterpiece and will make a big deal over all the "haters".

When all you want to do is have a discussion on a show, they will turn it around to "you just hate the show and try to find reasons to make other people hate it". And from there it is impossible to ever talk about it because they will no longer listen to anything you have to say, and the only input they provide themselves is how amazing and perfect their show is.
#584147 to #584104 - checkemtrain
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That sir,was a well rounded You need to login to view this link glad I spent the time to read it and I completely agree with you.Have a thumb sir.
#584106 to #584104 - endlesslulz
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Didn't you think this would just get TL;DR'd??? just saying...
#584113 to #584106 - redclover
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(04/01/2013) [-]
A good explanation for this subject is not easy to put into a short post
without losing some of the meaning and leaving it open to too much interpretation, that is.
#584127 to #584113 - endlesslulz
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I agree... but really, really this is just too long

Inb4: that's what she said
#584089 to #583975 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
speaking of mainstream anime, this made me chuckle quite a bit.
#584213 to #584089 - bayakpo **User deleted account**
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Top 30 anime/top 30 manga had the same result lol
#584109 to #584089 - saintshenanigans
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(04/01/2013) [-]
>internet explorer on taskbar

nigga wut r u doin
#584114 to #584109 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
one of my online classes is only supported in Internet explorer. That is why that hunk of cancer has to fucking stay there. So fucking annoying.
#584118 to #584114 - saintshenanigans
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(04/01/2013) [-]
hide that fucking shortcut in the depths of your gay porn folder.
#584124 to #584118 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
It doesn't even deserve there. It stays there so it sees me pick firefox 99% of the time. And it knows, oh it knows what kind of shit pile it is. The few times it gets opened I get such joy saying, "no you aren't my preferred browser." Once I finish that class it will go to the fires of hell!
#584098 to #584089 - wallbuilder ONLINE
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I've never even of heard of Ginga... guess I'll throw it on the list...
#584097 to #584089 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Oh god, is that what firefox looks like still?
#584211 to #584097 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Not for me.
#584214 to #584211 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
All the blue ;__;
#584218 to #584214 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
What do you mean? The taskbar and Mozilla?
#584221 to #584218 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Yup. I like mine to be black, which is kind of evident by that screenshot.
#584225 to #584221 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
So it has less strain on your eyes after sitting there for days hours?
#584230 to #584225 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Yup, but I'm also a major fan of black or some other dark color as a background and then something like green or orange for anything clickable, or borders or such.
#584099 to #584097 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
don't hate on firefox. All of my colleges online stuff doesn't work on chrome.
don't hate on firefox. All of my colleges online stuff doesn't work on chrome.
#584108 to #584099 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
No, I use Firefox, but I use FT DeepDark which looks like this. Ignore the page.
#584222 to #584108 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
What's the app to the right of windows explorer?
#584227 to #584222 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Huh? You mean that thing that says Com center?


Oh wait, fuck, you mean this thing?

VLC.
#584231 to #584227 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
lol, VLC
#584234 to #584231 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
It used to be KMP but recently a bunch of my programs have decided to stop working. I don't know. Photoshop, Gimp, KMP, shit's pissing me off.
#584236 to #584234 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Media Player Classic will never betray you! It's efficient as fuck.
#584238 to #584236 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I don't like MPC very much. It's the layout.
#584267 to #584238 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I like the layout, the options are all there if the video is buggy.
#584112 to #584108 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Shit, that is so much nicer. Damn you. Now I gotta go do things.
#584116 to #584112 - yusay
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(04/01/2013) [-]
You can download from the apps tab. Just search FT DeepDark
#584119 to #584116 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
i was way ahead of you. ignore everything also
#584088 to #583975 - flamedragoon
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here are my thoughts on sao it is a good beginner anime and the reason i say good is that the first 12 episodes were great when i saw the girl die i was truly sad if the serious ended right their i would be want more but it kept going to were they are in a completely diffrent game no i am sorry but that made me say no bad like i was talking to my dog and he pooped on the floor that type of no so what i gave that anime was a solid 6 do to the fact that it had great action sceens and fantastic character back ground and the stroy line was good but yeah its true
here are my thoughts on sao it is a good beginner anime and the reason i say good is that the first 12 episodes were great when i saw the girl die i was truly sad if the serious ended right their i would be want more but it kept going to were they are in a completely diffrent game no i am sorry but that made me say no bad like i was talking to my dog and he pooped on the floor that type of no so what i gave that anime was a solid 6 do to the fact that it had great action sceens and fantastic character back ground and the stroy line was good but yeah its true
#584087 to #583975 - sirchris
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Yusay and Klaes described it perfectly, props to you two. I don't really need to comment but...
If you want a tl;dr it's this:

The fanbase of most mainstream anime is just annoying. They get too obnoxious over the anime and act like all other anime is shit and doesn't compare. Because of this, most people begin to hate the anime itself.
#584085 to #583975 - katypower
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I don't mean it but I got this pic recently and I have to use it.
#584129 to #584085 - yusay
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#584217 to #584129 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
As Kurugaya in Little Busters! would say...

”ああ。。。かわいい。。。”
#584071 to #583975 - nightt
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I generally hate the fanbases if anything. An example is some guy refused to watch any anime that had less than 50 episodes. He seriously said the best 3 anime ever were Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, and that Clannad and Evangelion were pieces of shit. It's not the shows, it's the people.

When a bunch of people come here or other places claiming Sword Art Online is the best anime ever, it gets annoying and that hate starts to go toward the show. I really liked Sword Art Online, but I can admit it's far from the best. Then again, a lot of people genuinely dislike it, but that can be said for everything. Opinions and shit.
#584069 to #583975 - makotoitou
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Or what if I hate it because I just don't like it? Sometimes a rock is just a rock.
#584063 to #583975 - alphajunk
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#584061 to #583975 - wallbuilder ONLINE
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I reckon it's mostly the hype/fanbase. If a lot of people make a fuss about a show, people expect it to be amazing and people who only like specific genres will probably watch it simply because they heard it was amazing. If you get a die-hard shounen GAR! "I was born to kick your ass!" fan watching Clannad, they ain't gonna' like it and if you get a psychological thriller/deep plot watching chap to watch Needless or such shows then they'll most likely not like it. It just shows that there are a wide variety of tastes in anime and the more a show is talked about, loved or hated, usually the better it is.

Another explanation is that people get tired of people spamming a shows name like it's literally the best anime there is and to discourage such notions they denounce it harshly. Also, your explanation is one valid one. There are some who would act like they do because of that but it's not the only explanation.

And some just enjoy crushing naive opinions(opinions that think everyone will agree with them).
#584025 to #583975 - klaes
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I'm a fan of Sword Art Online myself, but there's a relatively good reason they hate it. It's not all due to the show, it's more so the fact that there's a very big, very loud, very obnoxious fanbase behind every mainstream show that annoys the hell out of anyone else. One need only look at videos of RPG games with fast paced combat to find the "Hurr durr tis' like Sao" comments.

The anime of Sword Art Online is admittedly brutally overhyped. I love the premise, I like the characters, and I love the universe, but with hundreds of thousands of rabid fans running around screaming "SAO=10/10!" and "SAO IS BETTA THAN ALL OTHA ANIMES!" you surely can understand why people who didn't like the show much in the same place find it irritating, amplifying their dislike into utter hatred.

The same can be said for One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto. The only major difference between SAO and those shows that makes liking Sword Art Online slightly more acceptable is the fact that SAO hasn't dragged on with 200 episodes of filler.
#584053 to #584025 - endlesslulz
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If more SAO fans were like you I'd actually feel guilty for messing with them...

I actually hate SAO itself, not just the fanbase... I hate SAO because it was a bad show, I hate the fanbase for being stupid enough to buy something like that, plus it's funny to mess with them
#584082 to #584053 - klaes
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Hmm, fair enough. I guess opinions are opinions, and you have your own reasons for disliking the show. I give the anime itself a 6.5/10, I just love the first novel of the series, so hence I like Sword Art Online.   
   
The artwork was good, the battle scenes were decent, and although any attempt to accurately represent MMORPG culture was thrown out of the window, I actually liked that aspect of it. The world that was created inside the game, a culture seperate from reality that was only really touched upon in the LNs is something I find intriguing.    
   
As far as the second arc of SAO goes, there's no excusing it. Even diehard SAO fans only post pictures from the Aincrad arc, and that's because alfheim was undeniably shit. If they had made it a 25 episode anime focusing purely on Sao and cutting out the "obligatory loli kawaii" crap fillers of the a few of the early episodes, it would have stayed true to the novel and gotten a solid 8-9/10 from me. The characters would have developed too, which would have been nice.   
   
I think my main love for SAO just comes from its premise. If you're put off by the whole "stuck in a video game" thing, you're going to automatically dislike it. Also, just to clarify I'm not one of those "I WISH I WAS STUCK IN SAO" kids, I just find the social changes that would happen within the world to be seriously interesting.   
   
Ah, well. Opinions are opinions, you hate it, I love it, and I can see where you're coming from for sure.
Hmm, fair enough. I guess opinions are opinions, and you have your own reasons for disliking the show. I give the anime itself a 6.5/10, I just love the first novel of the series, so hence I like Sword Art Online.

The artwork was good, the battle scenes were decent, and although any attempt to accurately represent MMORPG culture was thrown out of the window, I actually liked that aspect of it. The world that was created inside the game, a culture seperate from reality that was only really touched upon in the LNs is something I find intriguing.

As far as the second arc of SAO goes, there's no excusing it. Even diehard SAO fans only post pictures from the Aincrad arc, and that's because alfheim was undeniably shit. If they had made it a 25 episode anime focusing purely on Sao and cutting out the "obligatory loli kawaii" crap fillers of the a few of the early episodes, it would have stayed true to the novel and gotten a solid 8-9/10 from me. The characters would have developed too, which would have been nice.

I think my main love for SAO just comes from its premise. If you're put off by the whole "stuck in a video game" thing, you're going to automatically dislike it. Also, just to clarify I'm not one of those "I WISH I WAS STUCK IN SAO" kids, I just find the social changes that would happen within the world to be seriously interesting.

Ah, well. Opinions are opinions, you hate it, I love it, and I can see where you're coming from for sure.
#594646 to #584082 - sonicwind
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**sonicwind rolled a random image posted in comment #136 at All my MG related stuff **
#584105 to #584082 - endlesslulz
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Well, it seems I can have a civilized conversation with you, sir...   
   
So... just to know, do the LNs have a different ending even for the the aincrad arc? Pesonally I think both endings were shit and the way they passed from one arc to the other was utterly unrealistic and shitty as well.   
   
The other thing about the show was the excessive time they wasted on the love arc, but I think the tip of the iceberg was that MC... the fucking MC, he was generic as fuck, I'm just so tired of cliches I can't help but to hate the show to my heart   
   
I have to admit though... artwork and battle scenes were very good, but for me that's nothing if the story isn't worth the watch... Thanks man, your opinion is appreciated
Well, it seems I can have a civilized conversation with you, sir...

So... just to know, do the LNs have a different ending even for the the aincrad arc? Pesonally I think both endings were shit and the way they passed from one arc to the other was utterly unrealistic and shitty as well.

The other thing about the show was the excessive time they wasted on the love arc, but I think the tip of the iceberg was that MC... the fucking MC, he was generic as fuck, I'm just so tired of cliches I can't help but to hate the show to my heart

I have to admit though... artwork and battle scenes were very good, but for me that's nothing if the story isn't worth the watch... Thanks man, your opinion is appreciated
#584139 to #584105 - klaes
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Unfortunately, the ending of the first arc in the LNs was exactly the same. The main difference being that there was actually foreshadowing, and it was somewhat explained how he managed to pass through the system. Also, Heathcliff spoke to them at length after he was defeated, instead of the 30 seconds of speech he gets in the anime.

The love in the original light novel is a sub-plot, built up much slower and better paced, and you can skip over the entire Yui/house in the woods crap if you wish, as that isn't even in Volume 1.

As far as Kirito goes, whilst he was the "dark and edgy" character in the anime in the books he was more so the guy who took the blow for everyone else at the start and was alienated as a result. He developed, and his background in sword fighting is actually explored. He's still got a case of "over-powered hero", but he actually feels human.


Another major change is that the way that Kirito and Asuna meet in the novels(whether you go by the original, or by the expanded side story version) is completely fucking different in the anime.

A great deal more aspects contribute to the world itself: like the nature of beaters, information brokers, orange players and guilds, the sudden change in girl to guy ratio when the death game began and the social issues that followed, Laughing Coffin, the Army, and loads of other stuff.

I wouldn't recommend for you to read the LNs, as the anime has already ruined it for you, but please believe me that there is some merit to the original LN.

What happened with the adaptation is a bit of a tragedy. They had the amazing art and battles, a solid soundtrack and all the original content they needed to make it good, but it chocked and died.

Well, I'll ramble on for days if I keep discussing the good and terrible parts of it. Thanks for reading my giant blocks of text.
#584151 to #584139 - snowghost
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i don't know why im laughing so hard at that pic
i don't know why im laughing so hard at that pic
#584240 to #584151 - killerliquid
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Horny slut, that is all.
#584149 to #584139 - endlesslulz
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You are very welcome... Although I still hate the show and I'm still going to mess with the overhyped fans because it is just too funny

On a side note, I don't like the author either (I don't hate him), but as a person I don't like him
#584154 to #584149 - klaes
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From what I've seen of Kawahara, he hit something good(Aincrad), didn't stay with it when he should have, and kinda claws back to it every once in a while. As far as his personality goes, Volume 1's afterword was all "Isn't a virtual world just another reality? Would it be inaccurate to say you're alive in such a game? I don't think it would." which is all fine and dandy.

Volume 2's afterword is practically "I wanted to imagine myself as a super-cool high level MMORPG player, so I wrote this." I shit you not. Accel World, his other series, is pretty much the same in that aspect. I lost a lot of the respect I had for him because of this very mindset.

I haven't watched any of his inverviews, so I can't really judge him as a person, but one thing's for certain: he shifted away from the beauty in his own creation, which is always a silly thing to do.
#584058 to #584053 - sao
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Well I fuckin' hate ednlesslulz. See, how does that make you feel.
I kid, I kid
#584091 to #584058 - endlesslulz
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That made my heart hurt for a moment
#584117 to #584091 - sao
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We fight, we break up. We kiss, we make up.
#584125 to #584117 - endlesslulz
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Don't turn this into something gay man...
#584045 to #584025 - SRsoccerstar
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This seems like the most rational answer to me. I just think that if you disliked the show, the have your anger turn to hatred due to a fan base is wrong. To do this is essentially stooping to their level. Thats how I feel anyway, present your own emotions, not someone elses.
#584051 to #584045 - boyddamilkman
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You say it like it's impossible to legitimately dislike the show.
#584059 to #584051 - SRsoccerstar
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No, I never said that. But I do think its pretty impossible for that many people to hate it to the point to be so vocal about it. I think its more of a fan base hatred than anything else.

Sure, some people just dont like it. I'm addressing the point of why there are so many more people that argue about it than other shows
#584024 to #583975 - nigeltheoutlaw
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I'm with yusay on this; I personally love Monogatari, Madoka, FMA, Bebop, and Ghibli, and I'm usually pretty discerning with what I watch. I'll admit that I don't like Naruto (I came expecting ninjas and got magicians instead), but I enjoyed what I watched of Bleach, and only dropped it because the filler got too time consuming for me. So I think that some people may dislike the popular series because of a hipster complex, but they're usually just the most vocal, rather than a majority.
#584042 to #584024 - lijda
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(04/01/2013) [-]
I agree with this. It's highly probable that most of the aggression felt is because those who hate a series are more vocal.
#584014 to #583975 - MillionsKnives
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What would you consider mainstream? Here? In general? So you're saying we shit on FMA or FMA:B all the time? Or argue about how bad Cowboy Bebop is? Yeah, no.

If the majority of people say an anime is shit, you'd think they might be on to something.
#584022 to #584014 - SRsoccerstar
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but the majority of people dont say its shit. The majority of people silently watch it but when people dare say something about how they like it, they receive aggressive comments. I just find that to be a trend, its not a god given all the time thing.
#584057 to #584022 - MillionsKnives
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Lets see, both have repetitive storylines with HUGE amounts of fillers, shitty POWERLEVEL action where the MC loses, trains, then wins. They are just bad shows in general.

Oh, and the POWA OF FRIENDSHIP is key. imgur.com/unwiclQ
#584075 to #584057 - sao
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Oh god, that was amazing.
#584080 to #584075 - MillionsKnives
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I'd post it here but it ends up too small to read with no way to enlarge it.
#584066 to #584057 - MillionsKnives
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And yes, I'm talking about only Naruto and Bleach here, since that seems to be your primary focus. SAO just had the God named Kirito that could kill anything and anyone that got in his way.
#584039 to #584022 - yusay
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Silently watch it? What are you talking about?
#584049 to #584039 - SRsoccerstar
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You don't think the majority of people who watch these shows dont comment or say anything about them? because there is a large majority of anime viewers that dont write on forums etc that really enjoy these shows.
#584056 to #584049 - yusay
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Well yes, there are people who don't say anything and just watch, but that doesn't have anything to do with the people who dislike them.
#584064 to #584056 - SRsoccerstar
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Well he said, if the majority of people say an anime is shit you'd think they might be onto something. I was saying how even if many people are vocal about hating it they're certainly not the majority.
#584074 to #584064 - yusay
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While that does have exceptions, EX: one of my favorites, Penguindrum where it's mostly a hit or miss show, when a show has a lot of people who dislike it it's best to listen to them to realize why they dislike it, because they just might be on to something.
While that does have exceptions, EX: one of my favorites, Penguindrum where it's mostly a hit or miss show, when a show has a lot of people who dislike it it's best to listen to them to realize why they dislike it, because they just might be on to something.
#584084 to #584074 - SRsoccerstar
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Exceptions to every rule. Fair enough.
#583998 to #583975 - yusay
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This is bullshit considering many people here love mainstream anime.   
   
Eva, TTGL, Mirai Nikki, Fate/Zero, Madoka Magica, Monogatari, etc etc. While I may not like all of those titles, many people here do and they are extremely mainstream shows.   
   
The hate that goes towards Naruto, Bleach, SAO, etc, is because they are generally very, very bad shows that just capture the attention of people who generally do not have high standards, and usually just have extremely low standards.   
   
Also, One Piece doesn't receive much hate at all. Out of the "Big Three" One Piece is the best received.
This is bullshit considering many people here love mainstream anime.

Eva, TTGL, Mirai Nikki, Fate/Zero, Madoka Magica, Monogatari, etc etc. While I may not like all of those titles, many people here do and they are extremely mainstream shows.

The hate that goes towards Naruto, Bleach, SAO, etc, is because they are generally very, very bad shows that just capture the attention of people who generally do not have high standards, and usually just have extremely low standards.

Also, One Piece doesn't receive much hate at all. Out of the "Big Three" One Piece is the best received.
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#584138 to #584052 - oishiine
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I feel it
I feel it
#584021 to #583998 - MillionsKnives
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Pretty much this right here. I suppose I didn't even need to comment.
#584062 to #584021 - yusay
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People just don't really get it. They see some hate for a mainstream show then immediately believe that that person must hate all mainstream shows. It's ridiculous.
#584073 to #584062 - MillionsKnives
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They don't understand what mainstream means, really, and that there are some really great mainstream shows. His argument seems to be trying to sweep the good stuff under the rug, and focus on the shows that he enjoys, even though they are shit, as he still has yet to mention any of the shows we told him about. I don't care if he watches them, hell I don't care if he likes them, but if he tries to tell us we're something we're not, then it gets on my nerves.
#584090 to #584073 - yusay
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Gets on my nerves too. I mean, sure, not all non mainstream shows are bottled with god's vintage piss, but it seems that tht's the only argument these people can come up with, that the people who dislike a show must dislike all mainstream and love all none mainstream.
#584094 to #584090 - MillionsKnives
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Hell, my favorite anime is pretty mainstream, so I mean, really.......It can't be helped.
#584101 to #584094 - yusay
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And one of my favorites has a lot of people who dislike it, but I still love it.
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#584011 to #583998 - endlesslulz
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Mirai Nikki is mainstream?? I seriously didn't expect that

I personally just hate SAO for the way it tries to portrait MMO players and because it was shit, reallly... And like someone already said, we just hate the fanbase, not the show itself
#584018 to #584011 - yusay
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On this site definitely, I haven't seen much talk on /a/ about it recently, but then again I haven't been on /a/ much during winter and especially since most of the Fall two cour shows ended. I remember there used to constantly be people posting Yuno in waifu threads.

Just the premise of being about a video game is a turn off to me.
#584028 to #584018 - endlesslulz
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I'm going back to /a/ when all the shit about Haganai stops... but then, what the hell isn't mainstream? I think you could say even Majikoi or Hidan no Aria are pretty mainstream
#584054 to #584028 - yusay
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Just shows that aren't as well known by casual watchers.

Just, well, compare these two in views(although that obviously isn't everyone who's watched either)
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If you ask one hundred people who watch anime if they've seen either title, you're more likely going to get a larger percentage that's seen FMA
#584083 to #584054 - endlesslulz
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Well, there's a big time gap between the shows (I assume the other URL is FMA)

And, if non-mainstream animes are the ones casual watchers don't know about, then who are casual watchers? the ones who use VLC, the ones who don't know about 2ch? I consider myself a casual watcher, just because I like anime, but it's not the center of my life
#584096 to #584083 - yusay
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FMA:B, so only a time gap of 2 and a half years or something like that.

Got my words mixed up. A more mainstream show is prone to be known more among casual watchers. This does not mean that all shows that casual watchers watch are mainstream.

Also, I wouldn't really consider you a casual watcher at all. Casual watcher is more someone who barely watches. Kind of like a casual gamer is someone who buys two or three games a year. Doesn't mean your life revolves around it, just means it's not exactly a hobby.
#584102 to #584096 - klaes
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the message you're trying to get across is that a casual watcher will just kind of stumble across a show and/or hear about it and decide to watch it, whilst a non-casual will actively search for new shows to watch.

Is that kinda what you mean?
#584122 to #584102 - endlesslulz
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I guess a causal watcher only watches what the mass media tells him to watch... more like, he thinks a good show is the one which gets more advertisement... But, yes I think that's more or less what my friend here tried to say

But then again, not every mainstream show is that bad... there are some mainstream show I personally enjoyed myself
#584110 to #584102 - yusay
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Not exactly, but I guess that is kind of true. Not what I was saying, though, but it is true a lot of the time, but not always.
#584065 to #584054 - yusay
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Welp, that's enough links for today.
Welp, that's enough links for today.
#584009 to #583998 - sao
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Bleach is pretty well received too from what I've seen on this board.
#584012 to #584009 - yusay
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I just knew you were going to reply if you were online.
#584016 to #584012 - sao
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I reply because I love you. I love all of you.

And now that I'm back from vacation I will be returning to duty
#584020 to #584016 - yusay
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#584006 to #583998 - yusay
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I'm just going to go on listing a few more.

Clannad, Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Code Geass, Death Note hell, any Studio Ghibli film.
#583994 to #583975 - endlesslulz
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You're right man... If you really watched them, Bleach and Naruto are actually entertained...

So... what now?
#583988 to #583975 - samthediv
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Quite frankly, I agree with you.
However, you can't deny that a good 150 or so episodes of Bleach were just so... meh.
Like, they were so overwhelmingly meh.
#583996 to #583988 - facetiousrunner
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beyond meh, oh my god. Don't even get started on naruto fillers. Holy shit
#584005 to #583996 - samthediv
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I can't bring myself to watch Naruto.
Whilst it's a possibility that I may enjoy some parts, from what I've heard the fillers are so underwhelming I think I'd rather spend my time investing in an anime I'm going to thoroughly enjoy like Black Lagoon which I started this morning.
Also, I just can't bring myself to watch a really long anime. It's why I haven't started One Piece yet.
#584050 to #584005 - facetiousrunner
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(04/01/2013) [-]
Don't just dont. From someone has watched way more of that show then he'd like to admit, just don't. I feel one piece is so far long you have to give so much to watch it.