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#29 - Rascal (05/26/2012) [-]
really? you think a religion stops scientific progress? this is cute. what if i told you a religion has nothing to do with your level of intelligence, since every way for the universe to have come into existence absolutely requires faith. you believe a ball of matter with the mass of the universe not only suddenly happened one day (which is mass and energy suddenly being created, which science does not allow) but also exploded and just happened to do so in a universe perfectly suited for life, and formed perfectly to support life. that requires as much faith as the belief that an omnipotent creator or group of creators did the same exact thing, except tailored everything to fit for life.

that's also the only argument against intelligence of religious people "you believe someone created all this one day for no reason other than to do it? you must be stupid, i believe it all just happened for no reason at all."

so why can't a religious person make a scientific advancement just as easily as someone non-religious? there is no reason, because for the past few hundred years, the majority of leading scientists were religious, with the exception of the past fifty. (Louis Pasteur, inventor of vaccination and pasteurization. without his work many of us would not exist, since our parents would have died from smallpox or another type of infection. he also disproved Spontaneous generation eight years before Darwin's theory which required spontaneous generation, yet Darwin wanted a way for us to be here without having been created, so he made one up. he used mild scientific data, but no experimentation. no actual science)
User avatar #140 to #29 - brus (05/26/2012) [-]
Yea actually religion did stop scientific progress. Many people with own opines and new great ideas got killed, many of them ideas which sciences was involved for example.

A women gets killed because she develops a medicine that cures a man. Religions explanation of this? She's a witch! There for we need to kill her.
Bitch you just killed the only person in that time period which knew how to cure that disease.

Though that doesn't happen anymore in our time period, it did not for such along time ago.
User avatar #272 to #140 - SgtObvious (05/27/2012) [-]
The Puritans for about a 40 year span killed woman for things like that in the 1600s. Women were actually not oppressed very much during the middle ages when Christianity flourished. The huge oppression of woman happened in America.

And the lack of scientific progress was not at all due to religion. It happened because the Roman Empire fell and Europe was conquered by "barbarians." While they did eventually advance past their barbaric ideas and style of life, the original disbanding of the huge central authority plunged Europe into chaos and slowed scientific progress. Also, the church didn't kill people for believing in science (for example, the Earth being round). During the middle ages, virtually every scholar knew it to be true and knew that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. The church shunned Galileo because he said the bible wasn't true because of that information, not because he believed in it or even preached about it.
User avatar #800 to #272 - brus (05/27/2012) [-]
Actually it wasn't only under the 1600 they were killed for those kinds of things but mostly plus it wasn't only woman's that got killed by those kinds of things it was also men, but you are right it was maybe not religion that brought up stuff about witches and such things, but christianity has the devil in their story's thought so i dunno.
On a sidenote they killed around 40 000 to 100 000 people for thinking they are witches (And yes it still slowed down science progress)

But i do agree that Europe was conquered by barbarians did a more impact than what the witch stuff did and yea maybe the church didn't kill people but damn they did torture people. Another thing they actually tired to assassinate Paolo Sarpi for religious reasons (not the church).

Religion also started alots of wars which slowed down science progress (Like the Thirty year old war).
User avatar #900 to #800 - SgtObvious (05/27/2012) [-]
I understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying the Dark Ages being caused by religion is a misconception, because they were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire.
User avatar #907 to #900 - brus (05/27/2012) [-]
Yea, but i'm speaking of all time periods over all, over the hole planet (that means not only Europe in that time period you are talking about). But i do agree on that the Dark ages as you call it is a misconception.
User avatar #802 to #800 - brus (05/27/2012) [-]
sorry for bad english.
#39 to #29 - jellyfishman (05/26/2012) [-]
I am atheist and i still respect this post, but the last part was a little extreme. Darwin did use experiments and ideas to form his scientific theory of evolution (plus you don;t have to believe it that's why it's called a 'theory'). To test his hypothesis he tested it on pea plants. He would repeatedly breed them and record the changes, for example he would breed a tall pea plant with shorter pea plants and record how they change and adapt. The theory of evolution is is basically the theory that over time creatures will breed and change over time to adapt to there surrounding area, and the one's that adapted will live longer than the one's that don't and breed with each other to produce more adapted creatures and some of them adapt and so on. I respect your religious beliefs and i respect you even more for speaking out against this post about your beliefs but, as said before, it's just a joke, so laugh and shake it off.
#53 to #39 - retardedowl (05/26/2012) [-]
Or you can believe in intelligent design. Too bad i'm not a "true" christian. Evolution is true. But what sparked life? How was the first atom created? I believe, God created the first atom.
#888 to #53 - dryp (05/27/2012) [-]
So... Who created the god? Another God? Or he just appeared from the nothing? Is more likely to there was appeared a god from nothing than a simple atom?

Sorry for my english.
User avatar #260 to #53 - Fgner (05/27/2012) [-]
I say, logically there is no evidence for or against God, therefore I won't even amuse the topic of such. I'll say there may be a God, but since it doesn't matter and we can't prove it, who cares. And then I look back and say "where did time and space start?" And then I realize, I don't give a **** . There is no possible way humanity can ever figure it out without directly observing the event or being told by someone who directly observed the event. Maybe time and space have always existed, there was no beginning? Maybe a super intelligent species in another universe created this universe, the possibilities are endless, so let's not bother arguing about it. You believe God created the universe? That's perfectly reasonable, whatever helps you sleep at night. Good day sir.
#48 to #39 - galkawhm (05/26/2012) [-]
You do realize that a Theory is the 2nd highest title anything scientific can get right?
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#37 to #29 - zombieprincess (05/26/2012) [-]
because when you think you have the answer, you stop looking for it. if you think that God is the answer and prayer cures disease, you stop researching for it. not only that, but most wars are caused by religion. if people stopped arguing about it we could take all the time we spend trying to kill each other over it, advancing instead. so no, it's not the only cause that halts scientific progress, but it quite definitely hinders it.

also, there are many research practices outlawed because a religion finds it "immoral." stem cell research for instance. get off your high horse. or better yet, fall off.
User avatar #40 to #37 - jesuslizardftw (05/26/2012) [-]
You're a ******* idiot... Stem cell research may be banned because it is morally incorrect.. But according to your logic that must mean that people without a religion do not have moral standards... Stem Cell reseach is banned because it's experimentation on humans, which in the past hasn't gone too well (concentration camps)... While reseach on humans has gained us a lot of knowledge, it's also made a lot of people suffer.
#45 to #40 - zombieprincess (05/26/2012) [-]
I have no religion and i do have moral standards. you, sir, are assuming things. stem cell research involves aborted fetuses, of whom are dead. We are not burning people alive, which was the main purpose of concentration camps. Are you against organ donation as well? that involved human experimentation. but it also saved lives, as stem cell research might.

I see you are religious, and you find stem cell research immoral. Do you find it immoral because you are pro life? I, personally, am pro choice, therefore i do not find it immoral. Are you pro life because of your religion? Feel free to prove my point.

Also, you say research has made people suffer, are you saying religion hasn't? In the end, research will benefit the masses if used properly. How does your God who destroys cities on a whim (sadam and gamora) help you?

I here only opinions, assumptions and misinformation from you. Please respond when you have something useful to add to the conversation :)
#31 to #29 - mikelan (05/26/2012) [-]
oh wait. it's a joke. quit your butthurt.
oh wait. it's a joke. quit your butthurt.
#33 to #31 - Rascal (05/26/2012) [-]
what if i told this isn't a joke
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