To get things straight.. I don't care how many red thumbs this gets, it needed to be said. I don't care if atheists like myself have been attacking religion lat To get things straight I don't care how many red thumbs this gets it needed to be said if atheists like myself have been attacking religion lat
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To get things straight.. I don't care how many red thumbs this gets, it needed to be said. I don't care if atheists like myself have been attacking religion lat

I don't care how many red thumbs this gets, it needed to be said. I don't care if atheists like myself have been attacking religion lately on this site, religious people need a good slap. All we're trying to do is open your minds.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk

I respect your' right to HAVE them.
I respect your' right to PEACEFULLY EXPRESS them.
I respect TOU long w you respect ME.
I do NOT respect your' "right" to tell me I om on person,
I do NOT respect your" "right" to tell me I om going to
I do not respect
Loo not respect BRAINWASHING
I do not respect CULTS
I do not respect HATRED, EIGHTH, SEXIN OR TYRANNO
I do not respect your RELIGION. And I don' t have to.
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#34 - iAmAWizard
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(05/25/2012) [-]
>Be christian by choice
>Constantly told by FJ I'm a brainwashed cultist
>Mfw
#35 to #34 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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(05/25/2012) [-]
Were you raised christian?
#36 to #35 - iAmAWizard
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Yep, but obviously I didn't even stop to make my own mind up, **** me right?
#38 to #36 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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Would you consider yourself open-minded? Have you watched any good videos on atheism or read any books about science or religion and stuff?
#75 to #38 - iAmAWizard
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Of course not, I'm not busting my balls over it, I went to school and was educated about both sides of the story, and the theory of evolution and other beloved gems of the atheist community are quite clearly true. Contrary to popular belief Christians don't bury their heads in the sand.
Oh and back to the post, I don't have to respect your right to try and "educate" religious people either, but I'll play ball, this is fun for me, hypocrisy is always good for chuckles, especially when I've never tried to convert anyone to a christian myself, live and let live right? Oh...I guess not.
Anyway, I digress.
Books or videos written by men and women with their own biased belief cannot and should not influence another persons belief, I did not become a christian after reading the bible, nor will I become an athiest thanks to an athiest video, designed by atheists to educate (and lets be honest,convert) people into atheism, which is in itself a belief (kinda makes the above post look kinda lulzy huh, OP with his belief ripping on belief with his belief, xzibit would be proud). My belief however comes from specific moments in my life, moments that can't be reinterpreted for me by a balding sweaty douchebag with a tucked in tie and specs. And a blazer, atheists need a blazer. Of course, to athiests my stalwart belief in my interpretation of events is simply me shouting NO U and disagreeing with their completely proven logic
TL;DR: I have been open minded, like any sane human being. My belief is not strictly logical, as a human I feel emotion and I have my own faith, brought upon by experiences in life, experiences that you may or may not have had yourself. Proof against god (not that there is any of course) from athiest material or science shows cannot change this faith, as true faith itself does not require proof, merely the cause for belief. So I guess I haven't seen any atheist material, because I don't need an atheist to tell me what to believe.
#88 to #75 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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Honestly I can't make myself look good right here. Any video or book you watch or read will most likely be biased, but atheist stuff isn't trying to scare you into believing. If you are tolerant, that's all fine and dandy. Same goes if you accept all scientific discoveries and laws. In that case, faith is the only thing that supports your beliefs. You can't hold the bible for anything other than a place to find a few good morals or lessons, so you can't really even use that as something to hold your faith up with. I'll give you a link to a video that isn't biased, it's based off of research done by an anthropologist I believe, and although the poster of the video commentates about it and his beliefs, the information isn't biased and you can think for yourself. It explains just who exactly your worshiping, which is a bronze-age god.
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It may be slightly off topic, but you seem like a fairly logical person, and I used to be in the same boat as you. I woke up one morning and realized I was so latched onto my faith that I was trying to hold on to it even when I knew I couldn't believe. You may be in denial, and if you aren't, maybe watching or reading some known-to-be unbiased books or videos could.
#96 to #88 - anon
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"Bronze age god"? Are you saying that because something is old, it shouldn't be believed? (facepalm) I can't believe I have to say this.

If something is true, it is ALWAYS TRUE. Humankind found out that not eating makes people die EONS before the bronze age. Does that mean its an outdated belief? Therefore, if God existed in the bronze age, by the very definition of "god" (allpowerful, omnipotent, constant being) he exists now.

My god, stop it. Just stop it.
#98 to #96 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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...... Did you stop to think that maybe people way back then didn't have the ability or technology to find out what actually caused the world to exist? That world wasn't flat? That Earth was not the center of the universe? With these beliefs comes god, god helps explain the world, to make it make sense. "God" was also used as a controlling factor, look how to Catholic Church ****** with it to control the people of Europe. You think that was the first time anyone has ever done that?
#104 to #98 - anon
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3. Further regarding your arguments about Technology: Science and Technology are explorations and applications of the physical, natural world and its laws. Therefore, BY DEFINITION neither can prove or disprove the existence of a SUPERnatural being like God. Because God exists outside of the laws of science that we study (we believe he created them) you can never argue that science or observations of the natural world have disproved the existence of God. Yes, there can be evidence for or against such an existence, but I have yet to hear of any that can so completely disprove God the way you believe.
#108 to #104 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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no one can disprove any god's existence, because followers of most gods have made them to where they aren't physical, but spiritual. In a completely different realm of being. It's making sure you always have a bit of leverage over science.
#112 to #108 - anon
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Suspend your disbelief for ONE minute. If there was a God that created the universe, would he not be outside of it? Would the laws of the universe not apply to him? Christianity has always believed that God created the universe, so no, this is not a recent ploy for cover. Early Christian scientists have always studied the world and universe as a way to celebrate God's creation, not to prove his existence.
#101 to #98 - anon
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1. Regarding your examples of outdated beliefs: Just because God was used in context of these beliefs (which are mentioned NOWHERE in the bible) doesn't mean God is the cause of these beliefs. These are simply incorrect. But I have yet to hear anything about Christianity that makes it also simply incorrect in the same way many Bronze Age beliefs are. In other words, just because a belief is (incorectly) associated with incorrect beliefs, it does not negate the first one.

2. Regarding Catholic Church Argument: See my thread above. First comment is "Sometimes the sheer stupidity....."
#103 to #101 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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If God is real, then somewhere someone since the beginning of time (Adam and Eve) would have believed in the Abrahamic God, correct? Then why is there no evidence of this religion around 8,000 B.C.? I'm sure much earlier as well.You've got the Babylonian gods going and other cults doing their own thing, but no documents found before 8,000 B.C. point to the existence of a cult worshiping the Abrahamic god. Jesus is just a knock-off of the Egyptian god Horus.
#110 to #103 - anon
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Please enlighten me to how exactly "Jesus is just a knock-off" of an Egyptian God. I must say, I've never heard this argument before, and I'm genuinely interested.

Regarding your "no evidence" argument.... Do you really expect to find archeological cultural evidence at 8000 BC? The Egyptian empire (one of the oldest 3 civilizations we have evidence for) rose at 4000 BC, and that's a generous estimate.
#119 to #110 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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(05/25/2012) [-]
I may be off on the numbers, 8,000 seemed familiar, sorry.
Alright, let's start with
Jesus Horus
Born of a virgin Born of a virgin
Father was a God Father was a God
Earth father: Joseph Earth father: Seb (translates to Jo-Seph)
Earthly father of royal decent Earthly father of royal decent
annunciation by an angel to Mary annunciation by angel to Meri
Birth date: around winter solstice Birth date: around winter solstice
birth announcement by angels birth announcement by angels
Birth witnesses: shepherds birth witnesses: shepherds
later witnesses: 3 wise men later witnesses: 3 gods
almost killed by Herod almost killed by Herut
no data about life between 12 and 30 no date about life between 12 and 30
baptized by John the Baptist baptized by Anup the Baptizer
baptizer later decapitated baptizer later decapitated
age of baptism: 30 age of baptism: 30

#158 to #119 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
Having trouble finding "Anup the Baptizer." Mind linking me to info?
#153 to #119 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
Just did a little research.
Horus was born of the goddes Isis through magic. No angels, sheperds, "Jo-Seph" or "Meri". No virgins. No "herut."

Ian Shaw (2003). The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-815034-2.

Where you got that information, I have no idea.
#230 to #153 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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(05/25/2012) [-]
and various other places on the internet. seemed like common knowledge
#240 to #230 - anon
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Yes, I've found places on the Internet that have this information, but nothing credible at all. On the other hand, I found several official websites and one book that all state that Horus is the son of the goddess Isis. And your link keeps redirecting me to a domain name placeholder. You might have misspelled the URL.
#229 to #153 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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that link i gave ya
#129 to #119 - anon
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I'll admit to you straight up that I don't have the knowledge on hand to analyze most of these arguments. I'm researching some of these points right now. However, there are a couple that I can knock out....
Birth Date: It has been all but confirmed that Jesus was born in early-mid Spring. The winter solace celebration arose between the 16th and 18th centuries due to religious misunderstandings.
Birth Annoncement: I was pretty sure that the Egyptian culture did not have an equivalent to angels. I thought it was closer to demons. Like I said, looking it up right now.

However, even if all of these arguments are true, I'm still not entirely convinced. Jesus's role as a substitutionary sacrifice is clearly not similar to Horus's Life/Death place. Furthermore, there is historical evidence for Jesus's existence outside of religious texts and contexts while there is absolutely none for Horus.
#147 to #129 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
Enlighten me. Would you agree with the statement, "God is omnipotent" ?
#155 to #147 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
Yes.
Is this going to end with with the whole "why is there evil people and evil deeds if he is omnipotent" argument, see the thread I started above.
#161 to #155 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
No, it's not.

It will simply end with "Can God create a rock too heavy for him to lift?"

#167 to #161 - anon
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Good god, this might be the only half-decent argument I've seen in this entire forum. You get a thumb for totally catching me unaware.
#174 to #167 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
damnit, didn't see you were anon. Sorry, you're going to have to settle for a couple of respect points.
#181 to #174 - anon
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respect points appreciated, and yet you still have not answered my question.

hint: it's a trap.
#193 to #181 - anon
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(05/25/2012) [-]
I'm going to go ahead and ask him when I'm nice and dead. Will shoot you a message if i can.
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#205 to #193 - anon
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Depends on how you interpret the Old Testament, I suppose. I'm not about to start a headcount. And no, if God DOES decide to kill someone, it's not wrong. Remember, we begin with the definition of God as a supernatural, powerful being that embodies goodness. Therefore, since goodness is of his essence, anyone he decides to kill is not murder.
#200 to #193 - anon
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ah yes, avoid the question. excellent choice.

another thing to mull over while you haplessly resign yourself to ignorance:

How many people did God kill? Not Christians. God.
#122 to #110 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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(05/25/2012) [-]
www religoustolerance org/chr_jcpa5b.htm
add periods where the spaces are
#120 to #110 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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(05/25/2012) [-]
sorry, my table didn't translate well, heres a link to a chart
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#681 to #38 - fuckeverybody
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(05/26/2012) [-]
It would be make sad to see if there was no after life. Not scared, but sad. It seems like just rotting in the ground with pitch blackness and nothingness does not make my life more joyful. It all depends on what works for yourself. Now shut the **** up because everyone has a right to live their own life the way they wish (Not including Russia). Now quit being an ignorant hypocrite and expand your mind to a larger picture. Love everyone and quit pushing your beliefs on me like the Jehovah's Witnesses on my front ******* door.
#683 to #681 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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Well becoming the part of the earth and the cosmic cycle seems pretty cool. My atoms came from super novas, and yours did too. I'd like the go back to that.
#690 to #683 - fuckeverybody
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I believe in Evolution, but present science is actually showing that the big band theory might not be correct. I currently believe that the big bang happened, but science is getting closer to a bigger picture to it that what is believed.
#125 to #38 - soluvy
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(05/25/2012) [-]
I have and im still a christian.
#127 to #34 - ost
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Well not to be a nuisance, but you wouldn't have been christian if your parents didn't raise you that way, eh? My parents are both christian but they told me to make my own mind up. I guess i'm somewhere between agnostic and atheist, i mean i don't know what the hell to believe. :P
#260 to #127 - ddaappoo
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My mum was raised a muslim, she's a Christian. Many friends of mine were raised atheist, hell I knew a boy who was proud to call himself a nazi and now he's a firm Christian.
#607 to #127 - mynameisfoo
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a third of the world's population (Christians) aren't just Christians because they were raised that way. Yes, some are because of that, but anybody could stop believing.
#703 to #34 - Fgner
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This is in reply to your argument with cullenator:
Raised Christian, realized I didn't actually believe, went soul searching, found my beliefs. I'm technically atheist and associate with such, but I'm spiritual. Don't care about religion, usually completely disassociate myself with it, don't have a blazer... Okay I do... but still... I don't think you're a brainwashed cultist....

And now for my beliefs:
Some Christian ass called me out because I dare point out negative points on my friends post and wasn't bowing down to every word that they said, here's my reply (if you feel like reading).

The human soul (as a collective being) is like a spiral, every step we take we move forward. We have an unrelenting, blood boiling ambition to succeed, even when all seems lost. A force unstoppable, we strive to pierce the heavens, to accomplish the impossible to create a better future for our children that we could never hope to have. We don't just survive, we do more. We have a certain indescribable spirit, something that I can't quite speak of without doing it injustice, we have a certain perfection is the best way to see it.

You think I see the darkness? No, I do more, I see through the darkness. My heart is full of optimism, positive hopes and dreams that nothing can ever strip from me. I see the human spirit, the will power and undying passion in our hearts.

And no, I don't believe in a God. I believe in spirituality though. I don't believe one being is greater than all humans in every way. We may have our downfalls, but that's what makes us what we are, and what makes us so powerful. And to take that away would be to strip away all emotion, to strip all logic, all thought, and most importantly, all free will. And without those things, we lose our perfection, and without that, nothing can even dream to be great.
#725 to #34 - Zaxplab
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(05/26/2012) [-]
MFW people tell me that my religion is wrong
#831 to #34 - TheTurnbull
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I love it when I listen to all my friends beliefs and hear it out. And once I say "That's fine, but I believe in Christianity" and get called an ignorant **** for not being an atheist
#851 to #34 - anon
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MFW atheists do the oppressing
#661 to #34 - GoodGood
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it's like they're trying to brainwash you into thinking you're brainwashed.
#664 to #34 - fuckeverybody
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I'm not Christian, but I am Religious in other manners. It's ignorant that people think that the whole population of religious people are Christians and the Christian population are just a bunch of egotistical assholes who get in peoples faces. Those nuts fill up such a minor amount of the population. The person who posted this is up their own ass with hate.   
   
-Gif Unrelated.
I'm not Christian, but I am Religious in other manners. It's ignorant that people think that the whole population of religious people are Christians and the Christian population are just a bunch of egotistical assholes who get in peoples faces. Those nuts fill up such a minor amount of the population. The person who posted this is up their own ass with hate.

-Gif Unrelated.
#23 - dwarfman
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(05/25/2012) [-]
How's 7th grade treating you?
#906 to #23 - afternoon
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7th grade you say?
#138 to #23 - yettinarch
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#142 to #138 - dwarfman
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Your jimmies rustled? They seem so.
Your jimmies rustled? They seem so.
#144 to #142 - yettinarch
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nope
nope
#145 to #144 - dwarfman
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Alright then.
#146 to #145 - yettinarch
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#148 to #146 - dwarfman
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This must have been the most civil conversation I've participated in on this site.
This must have been the most civil conversation I've participated in on this site.
#149 to #148 - yettinarch
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Pretty much
Pretty much
#150 to #149 - yettinarch
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#151 to #150 - yettinarch
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#344 - MasterManiac
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I do not respect your right to tell me all religion is bad.    
I do not respect your right to call all religious practice as ignorance, brainwashing, a cult, etc.   
I do respect your right to tell me (peacefully) that you disagree with my opinions.   
And finally I respect your right to shut the **** up, because this post is the most hypocritical, stereotypical piece of **** I've seen. How many posts have you seen on this site promoting religion? None. So **** off with your opinions elsewhere.
I do not respect your right to tell me all religion is bad.
I do not respect your right to call all religious practice as ignorance, brainwashing, a cult, etc.
I do respect your right to tell me (peacefully) that you disagree with my opinions.
And finally I respect your right to shut the **** up, because this post is the most hypocritical, stereotypical piece of **** I've seen. How many posts have you seen on this site promoting religion? None. So **** off with your opinions elsewhere.
#377 to #344 - psychosamm
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So essentially you're saying you don't believe in the right of free speech? You mean the same free speech that allows you to speak about your beliefs and religious views? Like the opinion you made just now? Huh... That's interesting.
So essentially you're saying you don't believe in the right of free speech? You mean the same free speech that allows you to speak about your beliefs and religious views? Like the opinion you made just now? Huh... That's interesting.
#451 to #377 - brettyoke
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(05/26/2012) [-]
You're a ******* retarted dumbass piece of ****. How dare you not believe in the one true God? You're going to hell and you'll never be a good person, you're the scum of the Earth and I hope you die.


Now do you see what he's talking about. There's a point where freedom of speech is practiced, and when it's abused.
#796 to #377 - urbanshark
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(05/26/2012) [-]
...you're a dumbass
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#348 to #344 - lwminlaa
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(05/25/2012) [-]
love and tolerate
#204 - infinitereaper
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Oh shut the **** up! I don't care what any of you believe! Make with the funny!
#211 to #204 - forevertrombone
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If everyone could just think like you, this world would be better.
If everyone could just think like you, this world would be better.
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#770 - nyxie
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(05/26/2012) [-]
"religious people need a good slap. All we're trying to do is open your minds."
******* hypocrite
#360 - Hergsz
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Cries because he doesnt get respect.   
Disrespects religion.
Cries because he doesnt get respect.
Disrespects religion.
#362 to #360 - anon
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I concur. Way to be a hypocritical bitch, internet.
#208 - forevertrombone
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No, I do not respect your nonreligious beliefs.
I respect your right to have them.
I respect your right to peacefully express them.
I respect YOU as long as you RESPECT ME
I do NOT respect your "right" to tell me I am a "stupid" person.
I do NOT respect your "right" to tell me my beliefs are wrong because somehow you know your's is right.
I do not respect hypocrisy.
I do not respect ignorance.
I do not respect believing you're smarter or better than someone because they think differently than you.
I do not respect close-minded people.
I do not respect your beliefs, and I don't have to.
#236 to #208 - welshdrag
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A religious person calling someone else closed minded. lol
#270 to #236 - girlygirlygirl
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Your comment was closed minded
#251 to #208 - memeinmycoffee
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I just find it weird that you don't respect someone's lack of belief.

There's no reason not to other than the desire to force everyone to believe in something.

Non-religious beliefs don't mean anything, just like religious beliefs don't mean anything. The specific tenants of those religions are what this post is talking of.
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#235 to #208 - imagnetsux
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preach on brother!
#271 to #208 - anon
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But... But... Atheism is the lack of belief...
#239 to #208 - cullenatorguy [OP]
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then we understand each other
#826 - aleggedpuppy
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I have nothing against anyone and have done nothing wrong to anyone...   
Why do people hate me just for believing in something?
I have nothing against anyone and have done nothing wrong to anyone...
Why do people hate me just for believing in something?
#832 to #826 - pyrothermal
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(05/26/2012) [-]
I don't hate you for believing in something. I hate the hatred that people blame on their beliefs.
#837 to #826 - balafas
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(05/26/2012) [-]
I know that feel...
#844 to #826 - neutralgray
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You're not the only one who's felt it, friend.
#665 - TheBagelMonster
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I think there's a difference between "Trying to open our minds" and "Telling us our belief are stupid and we need to get slapped for believing in what we want"