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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
User avatar #250 - callmeemm
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The main thing I don't understand is why two homosexuals even want to get married in a church where the bible says that homosexuality is a sin.
If anyone has a good reason as to why, I'll listen!
make me understand please!
User avatar #295 to #250 - jakefenris
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They don't, they want the right to marry. Most people, gay and straight get married through civil marriages.
User avatar #286 to #250 - KrissenKagamine
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Well just the right to get married in general. The majority don't even want a religious bonding.
User avatar #299 to #286 - callmeemm
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I apologize, I live in a country where homosexual civil mariages (and church mariages) is already legal, so I thought that it was only the religious mariage that were being discussed.
My mistake! :)
#284 to #250 - themowedlawn
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User avatar #283 to #250 - Crusader
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There are many religions where homosexuality is not a sin, Hinduism, buddhism, paganism, wicca, etc.
The problem is that the laws in America are made in such a way that they benefit those that believe in christianity, jeudiasm, and islam, as those 3 religions all believe in the same basic tenets (one all-powerful god, don't rape, kill, steal or cheat).
Plus there are legal benefits, let's say that I get married to a woman and have 3 kids, but we break-up and realize that I now like guys, so I go and date john Doe, John and I can move in together, but we are classified as friends, lets say I get in an accident, he doesn't get family privileges as to whether I get taken off life-support, or even extended visiting hours (most hospitals let spouses, parents and children stay overnight), so he gets kicked out at 8 pm when visiting hours end.
Lets say I then die, unless I specifically say in my will, I want half of my stuff to go to John, then it goes to my kids, now I hope that they are raised to realize that they should give some of my stuff to John, but John has no rights unless I write him into my will.
User avatar #289 to #283 - callmeemm
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I just replied another who said more or less the same. I apologize for not looking into it closer as to how it is in america, but were I live you can get the advantages of a heterosexual married couple as homosexuals as well.

I also apologize for not being more specific about my confusion. *I understand why a gay couple would want the same right, it's the whole church marriage part of it, that I dont understand.
User avatar #292 to #289 - Crusader
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I responded below to that question.
#260 to #250 - anon id: f21a43ad
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There are perks with getting married that have nothing to do with religion. Here's a list from [url deleted]

joint parenting;
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
User avatar #277 to #260 - callmeemm
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I honestly don't know if it's the same in america but in denmark (were I live) you can be partners by law and get the same advantages of a married couple.
But some homosexuals still want to be married in a church, THIS I don't understand. I basically don't understand why you would want to be married by a guy or girl who believed that you were a sinner.

Believe me I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against homosexuals at all, more, in fact, the religion that looks down upon them. I believe that homosexuals should be able to get the same rights as a heterosexual couple, I just don't see why they want it through a religion that hates their very existence.

User avatar #291 to #277 - Crusader
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That is what is known as common-law, it is the same here in Canada, once you live together for so long, and have access to each others info and are set up as emergency contacts under spouse/significant other, then you are pretty much married in the eyes of the government, but don't have to go through divorce. But there are some personal reasons as to why they want to get married, sometimes it is that they are christian, sometimes it that they want to feel as if they are really married, whatever the reason, they should still be allowed.
User avatar #296 to #291 - callmeemm
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I just feel like that if you consider yourself a christian, you can't go around and "change" the rules of the bible.
as for the "really married feel" there are other ways, that'll feel like a "real" marriage. it doesn't have to be in church. You don't have to get married in a boring grey room just because you aren't christian.

I do believe that homosexuals should have all the same rights, but when it comes to a thing as christianity that is so AGAINST your cause, you shouldn't try to change it as such.
User avatar #316 to #296 - Crusader
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Actually, when people think of christians who are against homosexuality, it is the Roman-Catholics who believe that, normal christians, protestants, and catholics (not roman catholic) beleive that you can be gay, but that to change your sexuality is a sin, and to have gay sex is a sin.
User avatar #323 to #316 - callmeemm
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gay sex and gay mariage kinda go hand in hand don't you think? besides if you belong to a religion, and that religion has a book of "rules" you should not make your own rules of it.

I understand that there are different ways to understand the bible, but I dont think that "you must not lay with another man" is very hard to understand.

I want to say that I am an atheist ( I say that because I want to make it clear that I'm not defending the bible). I personally think that the bible is too old and should be renewed, but until that, if you do not agree with that book, you cannot call yourself a christian, there's nothing wrong in settling as a "believer".
#268 to #260 - anon id: f21a43ad
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Forgot I can't link sources, but it's from religious tolerance dot org. Add /mar_bene.htm to the end to find the exact page.