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#17 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
If you are a Christian, you are living a lie, sorry to break it to you. In fact, if you are part of any religion, you are wrong. It's funny how a huge group of people can all communally believe in the same imaginary magic person/ people, it is the perfect example of humans conformity. Thousands of years ago, the Egyptians believed in the Sun god Ra and built temples and monuments in his honor etc. After that the Romans believed in Jupiter, Mars, Neptune and built monuments in their honor. All throughout the ages religions have risen and fallen. Now the trend is Christianity in the Western world and in thousands of years, people will look back on this time and think what idiots we were for building churches and cathedrals. Just my 2 cents. :)
User avatar #21 to #17 - supamonkey (05/05/2012) [-]
Jesus is mentioned in the Koran as a prophet. Moses, Abraham and Mohammed are in all three books (Bible, Torah and Koran for those playing at home).

9/10 of religion is **** stolen from other religions and tweeked.
Only original religion was the first people looking at the sun and going "Some guy is making that work! Let's worship him in case it doesn't come again tomorrow!"
#23 to #21 - thepeanutlord (05/05/2012) [-]
Well, you did point out the three Abrahamitich religions wich all praise the same God. They didn't steal, they had different views on prophets and profecies and therefore ended up with diferent philosophies.
#18 to #17 - thepeanutlord (05/05/2012) [-]
Holy **** ! Those are some stunning arguments from why your world view is better then anyone else. I don't even know how a man is supposed to defend your towering amounts of 0 arguments!
#20 to #18 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
I never said my world view was better than anyone else's, it is just a fact that religion is a made up concept initially developing to help people cope with life. Sadly, although the idea of religion has some good points in its truest form, it has been the underlying foundation for all war and evil throughout history, so I find it difficult to have any love of it.
#22 to #20 - thepeanutlord (05/05/2012) [-]
Well, sorry for perhaps putting up a point you didn't make. But especially the first line came of as a bit conceited to me.

But one thing I find interesting is that people always say religion started all those wars, but I fail to see how religion had much to do with the vietnam war, the cold war, korea war, world war I, world war II, british expansion (although you could make a case of the fact that they considered their religion supreme and tried to impose it on others), Alexander the great, Napoleon, Djengis Khan, Kublai Khan, American civil war, etc.

I can think of the crusades, but to me, it is a lot easier finding wars where religion was nearly irrelevant than vice versa. Sure you have stuff in afghanistan, palstine etc. The thing is that the problems with Israel was started because one religion said it was okay to punish the people that they didn't feel had the right to take away land and restrict others. As for afghanistan, I'll say as Ron Paul: What if say, China built military bases all over texas and didn't follow americas laws, only their own. What would our reaction be. Most of the wars in the middle east, and the world as a whole is political or for power.
#24 to #22 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
All wars stem from religion. Religion creates a divide between people culturally. Ok maybe you could say colonization was power-driven for land, but it also involved forcing beliefs on people they deemed evil, unholy and uncivilized, simply because they had a different way of life and a different system of beliefs. The cause of World War 1 was religious, the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Serbians who were under the tyranny of the Austrian government, especially relating to their churches. World War 2 was fueled by Hitlers hatred of the Jews, which lead to eugenics. Although there were other factors to WW2 such as the economic situation in Germany and the aftermath of WW1, religion is extremely obvious in its role. 6 million members of 1 religion don't get mass murdered if religion was irrelevant. North Korea killed and oppressed all religions, resulting in them fleeing to South Korea, demanding UN intervention. Religion can be found relating to any conflict. The base of christianity is to not worship false gods. That means every other religion in the world, which basically promotes the idea of conflict between diverse societies.
User avatar #29 to #24 - ooimilesoo (05/05/2012) [-]
Hey dude, just pointing out, Hitler was elected into power by a struggling Germany who saw a powerful man, and he caused the mass genocide of the Jews. Hitler was himself non-religious so that was not the cause. And besides, he saw the Jews as a RACE not a RELIGION
#30 to #29 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
Sorry man, if you read Mein Kampf you would know Hitler was a Christian and often mentioned God in many of his speeches. The Nazi party officially promoted non-state religion but Hitler himself believed in God. Look up Positive Christianity. Yes Hitler viewed Jews as a race, but their race was a religion regardless and Hitler noted that on many occasions also. You can choose to be Jewish, you can't choose to be Asian or African if you aren't.
User avatar #31 to #30 - ooimilesoo (05/05/2012) [-]
Well I'm pretty sure that Hitler was anti-Christianity as was the rest of the Nazi Party, as there are plenty of examples of anti-Christian propaganda. Hitler also only used God in his speeches as leverage towards Germany, as the vast majority of Germans were Christian
#32 to #31 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
I never met the man, so I don't know if he was or wasn't religious, I only know what I have learned myself and that may be wrong. It is true maybe Hitler used Christianity as a platform, but that in its self confirms the point I have been trying to make, showing religion involved. It could also be said that Hitler was a religious man but instead of promoting religion, he tried to abolish it in government so he would not have any competition as main authority in Germany. At the time when he was involved in promoting positive christianity, Hitler directly apposed all other religions, mainly Judaism, even banning the Jewish written sections of the Bible. It is ridiculous to say there was no religious elements to WWII.
#34 to #32 - ghostisaho (05/05/2012) [-]
people live they way they chose to live. it is their choice stop arguing about things that need no discussion, let alone the argument you guys are having. just be happy you have the freedom o believe the things you believe and just get along in the one life we have on this planet.
#37 to #34 - ninjavampire (05/05/2012) [-]
I know I am very lucky to live in a society that allows me to believe in whatever I like, luckily I don't live in a society that stones or kills non-believers or blasphemers, but the hard truth is that it still goes on to this day. Religion takes away a lot of freedoms and I wouldn't class it as something that needs no discussion. We should always strive to make the world a better place so that future generations can enjoy freedoms that today many people cannot. Plus, these arguments are great fun :)
User avatar #38 to #37 - ghostisaho (05/05/2012) [-]
religion is about using the stories in the bible as moral guidance. the testaments are used as moral guidance. the laws of societies are based off of these. people only do what you said because they misunderstand the context of the stories.that is all i am saying because i cannot be bothered to get into a pointless argument.
User avatar #35 to #34 - ooimilesoo (05/05/2012) [-]
I agree, I don't see the point of my argument with ninjavampire so I'm gonna stop
. At the risk of sounding like a total faggot: lets all love and tolerate each other :P
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