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#242 - I Am Monkey (04/30/2012) [-]
I know what to expect from the FJ community in terms of politics, but are none of you at all perturbed by the idea of a radical theocracy getting their hands on the power to wipe entire cities off face of the earth? Please, for the love of God hear me out.

For those that don't already know, the only thing keeping us from annihilating each other over the past half century is MAD; Mutually Assured Destruction. You nuke us, we nuke you. Nobody wants to get nuked. The fact that we're not living in an irradiated wasteland is proof of concept.

The fear here is that Iran is not a stable country and those nuclear weapons can easily fall into the wrong hands, either accidentally or intentionally. Then we're screwed. MAD doesn't work when there's no return address.

You might say "Yea, but the US has nukes. That makes you hypocrites". No it doesn't. We haven't objected when stable countries get nukes. Hell, we give nukes to stable nations like Belgium and Turkey. However, Iran is far from stable. They cling to control by gunning down protesters and jailing dissidents. If they successfully revolt you're going to end up with nuclear weapons up for grabs.

Do you really want to take that risk?
#625 to #242 - vanquishyjs (04/30/2012) [-]
**** you, the dollar is crashing, Europe is ******* buried in debt, and every ******* person in the USA is suspected to be a terrorist by the government. USA n Europe are on the brink of revolt, thats why the Department of Homeland Security is making millions of heavy duty plastic coffins and setting up FEMA camps all across USA. Also purchasing the biggest ammo stockade in US history and accompanying that with bulletproof guardhouse checkpoints. Don't ******* try to present an argument that would defeat itself.
Also from when did Israel become a "stable" nation? They got a ******* war going on on their doorstep, the Palestinian guys can effing blowup the whole place with one rocket aimed at their nuclear facilities.
MAD doesn't ******* work because there are people in this world who won't mind if a few of their cities are blown to **** , in fact it would help a lot with global population reduction which is one of the top shiz on the global agenda.
We are sitting with a timebomb up our asses, as long as there is ANY nation with nuclear weapons!
#648 to #625 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
You are just too stupid to insult...
User avatar #653 to #648 - vanquishyjs (04/30/2012) [-]
speak up anon!
#539 to #242 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
the first thing you did when you discovered the nuclear bomb was to nuke japan,let them nuke a bit,they also deserve it
#649 to #539 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
We actually have a treaty with them; we give you nukes, you follow our nuclear proliferation regulations. It's better than letting them develop their own and breaking nuclear testing bans.
#440 to #242 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
^average american swallowing the propaganda of american politics
#411 to #242 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
What if everyone get rid of nukes, what then faggot? problem solved. Norway has no nukes, everbody loves Norway, your logic is flawed.
#349 to #242 - omnomagon (04/30/2012) [-]
You do know that the soviets were unstable based on your definition, right? They were known for killing and imprisoning their own citizens yet somehow the US still kept relations with them. Also just food for thought, soviets were NEVER a threat to the US. Every time the US asserted themselves to the soviets, Stalin almost always backed down. Oh and they had 100000 of nukes as well. I don't think we should be worried about Iran. All this media propaganda is making it seem like they're all radical Islamist. They are NO Threat to our nationalize security. America is probably just butt hurt since they were able to overthrow the shaw back in the 60s (the shaw is the evil dictator that the US put in power in the 60s)
User avatar #370 to #349 - I Am Monkey (04/30/2012) [-]
Yea, Russia stole our nuclear secrets and look what happened; the world lived in terror for decades. We almost glassed the each other on more than one occasion. Do you really want to relive that?

You're assuming that Iran would adhere to MAD the way that Russia did.
Iran fails every qualification of MAD;
-No "rogue states" will develop nuclear weapons
Iran is officially deemed a Rogue State

-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
Their government is run by Islam. A religion who's radicals are characterized by martyrdom. If one general subscribed to this theology he could initiate nuclear war.

-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
User avatar #326 to #242 - aldheim (04/30/2012) [-]
I have one word for you.
User avatar #312 to #242 - castellandraco (04/30/2012) [-]
thats why weshould interveen now befpre they have nukes cause you cant do it after
#306 to #242 - caledfwtch (04/30/2012) [-]
simple solution. Instead of spending money on soldiers to prevent them from getting nukes by force, spend money creating nuke countermeasures and make nuclear weapons worthless so they no longer have a reason to pursue them.
User avatar #408 to #306 - deltadeltadelta (04/30/2012) [-]
The technology isn't there to create a practical missile shield.

Furthermore, making nuclear weapons obsolete would just lead to another cold war/arms race. Nukes are what prevented the Soviet Union and the United States from going to war with one another. Nukes are the reason why since WWII, there hasn't been a conflict between two major powers.
User avatar #313 to #306 - I Am Monkey (04/30/2012) [-]
There are very few countermeasures against a weapon that can be carried in a backpack.
The only real defense against it is making sure they never get their hands on it in the first place.
#303 to #242 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
User avatar #287 to #242 - TheFixer (04/30/2012) [-]
alternativly we could all just destroy our nuclear weapons and go back to the good old days of gun fights i like that option.
User avatar #307 to #287 - patchesdacrazy (04/30/2012) [-]
In a perfect world, that would happen. But in real life, there would be a scum bag steve who doesn't jump in with everybody, and takes that seat of "Only person in the world with nukes" throne. Then everyone is ****** but scum bag steve land residents.
#304 to #287 - otisclay (04/30/2012) [-]
Thats entirely idealistic and is never going to happen, you think every country would agree to that? By your thought process, why dont we just destroy all guns and weapons in general while we're at it. Thats the kind of stuff that hippie's say. And remember, no one likes hippies.
User avatar #316 to #304 - TheFixer (04/30/2012) [-]
never gonna happen okay
#279 to #242 - reacher (04/30/2012) [-]
Afghanistan instead of Saudia Arabia, or weapons of mass destruction. How many times can you be fooled? What about North Korea? Or Pakistan selling how to nuclear kits to the highest bidder. Iran has never attacked any nation, and Ahmadinejad never said he was going to `wipe Israel off the map``, It was a garbage translation. Iran is no angel state, but I will take Irans track record over Americas of late any day of the year.

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
User avatar #295 to #279 - sportsgif (04/30/2012) [-]
Your whole argument was lost when you said you rather have Iran's track record over America's, followed by a Malcolm X quote.
#638 to #295 - reacher (04/30/2012) [-]
I dont think so, but seems FJ agrees with you. Iranians are oppressed at many levels, from US sanciontions to its own government. The iranian people who were revolting could have used support, not bombs. Last thing I want is another Iraq.
User avatar #664 to #638 - sportsgif (04/30/2012) [-]
The Iranian people hate their own government, it was proven a couple years ago when the gubment clearly fixed the election, and executed thousands of people. Iran needs something done about their government and if the US has to do it, then so be it.
User avatar #652 to #638 - sketchE ONLINE (04/30/2012) [-]
the sanctions were put in because iran refused to back of on making nukes and they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves other wise. theyve been making fighter jets so they have to have something
User avatar #292 to #279 - sketchE ONLINE (04/30/2012) [-]
except almost every arab nation wants to destroy israel. What people dont understand about WMDs is they think nukes. they also include biological and chemical weapons such as cern gas which iraq used before on its own people thats why we went in. everyone seems to act like america is out shooting little kids in the face for recreation. and i mean as a general order not the psychos who go out and do it themselves we make sure those ******* are taken care of. sure we have our flaws but we dont have the intent to annihilate an entire people just because they are there
#634 to #292 - reacher (04/30/2012) [-]
Over a million Iraqis dead and the countries still in chaos. For the most part, americans are the only ones who think they are heroes here.
User avatar #651 to #634 - sketchE ONLINE (04/30/2012) [-]
im sorry whens the last time an american soldier killed an iraqi? all of the iraqis getting killed are by insurgents in the rare cases iraqis are killed by americans its as collateral damage in the goal to kill insurgents or people trying to kill him. no where near millions were killed by us
#283 to #279 - inkydot (04/30/2012) [-]
i mean yes. i don't blame or hate the people of iran. im not sure about the garbage translation thing. id never considered the possibility it had been though i dont think it was. you cant judge people by their leader. so ill just say i would trust the usa over iran with nukes because of the leader. also, nice quote
User avatar #273 to #242 - duskman (04/30/2012) [-]
"radical theocracy"

I seriously wondered whether you meant us or Iran.
#309 to #273 - otisclay (04/30/2012) [-]
Do you even know what a Theocracy is? Iran is a theocracy, their entire government is based off of Islam and the Koran. Religion is the main government in Iran. In no way does the United State come anywhere CLOSE to a theocracy.
User avatar #661 to #309 - duskman (04/30/2012) [-]
Small Joke

HUGE *********
#270 to #242 - akkere (04/30/2012) [-]
If it gets me this, then why the **** not?
#266 to #242 - eternalpleasure (04/30/2012) [-]
I'm not even american and I agree with this, if a nuclear war ever does occur there will be some serious **** throughout the planet, possibly resulting in our own extinction.
#261 to #242 - fefe (04/30/2012) [-]
Thank you sir!
User avatar #260 to #242 - lokiwins (04/30/2012) [-]
yes, if it means radscorpions and bloatflies
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