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User avatar #94 - vserras (04/26/2012) [-]
congratulations 'Merica ! you were supposed to be the greatest nation of the world, but thanks to the FED, debt financed consumption, some corrupt politicians and the real BELIEF on stupid Ivy League Keynesian economists, you entered a Recession, your Public Debt rose more than U$7,000,000,000,000, your taxes are gonna get bigger to pay for the interest of this bigger debt, no matter Romney or Obama who gets elected and your currency is gonna crash.
#138 to #94 - queenoflesbians (04/27/2012) [-]
1. The 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't matter. Two countries can oppose us on it because we never had to bail them out before; Canada and China. We don't owe Canada that much, and we pay a mass amount of interest to all the nations. China won't oppose us because they need us.
2. Yes, bills are passing no one likes. But you sound like a religious nut. Wanna know a country that has more corrupt politicians than America? I'll give you a list. Russia, Greece, Italy, Mexico, Britain, South Africa, Brazil, Columbia, Czech Republic, Georgia, Israel, and France. Statistics friend. Statistics.
3. Wait a second? Why is a European getting mad at our debt?
A. Europe still owes America a **** ton.
B. We saved your asses in World War 1 and 2. If we hadn't intervened, you'd be bowing down to a statue of Adolf Hitler right now.
C. Europe can't do jack **** without asking us for some reason. We made NATO for North America. Not to intervene for European Decisions, jackasses.

I'm sorry if it hasn't cleared your head out, but the only country that can debate against us is Canada. Not because of their military, not because of their GDP, but they have the least ******** going on in the world.
Europe on the other hand..
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User avatar #162 to #138 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
interest rates*
User avatar #158 to #138 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
1- "The 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't matter." brilliant. do you read what you write? the interest of that 17 trillion dollar debt won't pay themselves: your taxes are gonna go up to pay for it. haven't you heard about the Buffet Rule? that's just Obama's pretensious way of saying it.

2- "We saved your asses in World War 1 and 2. If we hadn't intervened, you'd be bowing down to a statue of Adolf Hitler right now. "

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not an european. second, although I'm no socialist/communist/marxist, if you look at History it comes clear: It was the russian Red Army who REALLY stopped the Nazis. actually, the Nazis stopped themselves by trying to conquer Russia. they lost the majority of their forces there in the very famous Stalingrad Battle. the US support can't compare. check what really happened, not what patriotic people say.

3- Europe doesn't relate with what I said, don't change the subject please.

#173 to #158 - anonymous (04/27/2012) [-]
Dude Germany could have easily defended against Russia without us Germany would own the African oil fields Italy would fight them Japan would attack Russia after dealing with china don't be a idiot read up on the war before you make a stupid guess
User avatar #171 to #158 - queenoflesbians (04/27/2012) [-]
1. Again, like I said in the other comment I sent to you, they've been estimating it would go up to 9% for the LAST 7 MONTHS, and many people have prepared themselves for that. Yes we have a massive debt, I get that. Europe still has payments for the "repair bill" we gave you after WW2.

2. Remember, that the Russians wouldn't have gotten to Berlin or out of Russia without the 500 American trucks we sent them. Germany could have held out long enough to take over Britain by 1943. They then could have put more support against Russia while they were fighting from 2 frontiers and then push into Russia and take them over.
"For every German Soldier killed against Russia, 30 Russian soldiers died." Fact.
Also, Hitler in 1938 had said "The U.S.A. is not on my bad side. I would not seek revenge against them, because they signed the treaty only after spitting on it first. I respect that" The fact that Germany could have made many more trade alliances with America, if Japan didn't attack could have secured a large trade market. And when he said "spitted on it", it's because WE predicted it would bite Europe in the ass again, and we said if Germany ever started another war again, WE would not get involved. Blame the Japanese on that one.

3. So what are you? Canadian? Please. I don't care.
User avatar #205 to #171 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
1- I'm trying to find where you prove me wrong, but you don't seem to do so. you just attack to try to minimize the arguments. good thing that deep down you know what I say is true.

2- you don't seem to really comprehend the effects of taxes on the Economy by saying "SO WHAT?!".. all distortions and misinformation and bad incentives it sends to people, it reduces production. I won't get into it in here.

3- if you don't care where I am from then why are you making such a big deal supposing I was from Europe? you contradict yourself way too much. By the way, I'm also not canadian.

User avatar #211 to #205 - queenoflesbians (04/27/2012) [-]
Honestly, I've made my point very clearly. You added these little tidbits that are not based on actual fact, but on presumptions that have been spread rapidly.

America will survive, it's not that big of a shift.
User avatar #222 to #211 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
since you're saying so.

of course America will survive. It's not like America will become some kind of Africa of Latin America or something, but it will lose a lot of quality of living and geopolitical power against the rest of the world that won't come back easily or quickly.

I'm not anti-America, but the key people of your government have made ****** decisions in the most specacular fashion man.

gotta get some sleep now since I have Statistics and History of the Economic Thought tests tommorrow. c ya.
User avatar #223 to #222 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
Africa or*

#144 to #138 - ubernonsense (04/27/2012) [-]
I'm sorry I couldn't read the whole thing because the picture kept distracting me.
#146 to #144 - queenoflesbians (04/27/2012) [-]
Can you read it now?
#126 to #94 - anonymous (04/27/2012) [-]
And let me guess, Ron Paul is the only solution?
He'll pull money directly out of his ass and use it to return to the Gold Standard while simultaneously cutting taxes to zero.
User avatar #136 to #126 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
although I said that in a very ironic way, what I said is actually true. if you research, you'll find empirical scientific data and knowledge that can prove this. these are facts.

Ron Paul is not the solution. the solution is: stop debt financed consumptiom, live within your real means because you are consuming way more than you are producing, start saving and being more productive again.
User avatar #103 to #98 - vserras (04/26/2012) [-]
I'm not saying "the american empire will collapse".

just saying your taxes are gonna get bigger and the US Dollar won't be the reserve currency of the world anymore.
User avatar #142 to #103 - queenoflesbians (04/27/2012) [-]
Canada, (in Provinces with HST) have a 13% Tax Rate, and has one of the lowest poverty rates per capita.

People are estimating that America's Tax Rate will rise to 9%. OMFG. Big ******* deal. Also, they've been estimating it will rise to 9% for the last 7 months. AND NOPE, still hasn't

Shut up.
User avatar #188 to #142 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
I'm talking about the amount of money the entire government structure gathers: 28% of the GDP.
#118 to #103 - danield (04/26/2012) [-]
Taxes are at an all time low right now, we have to space to increase our taxes

U.S dollars goes up and down it's always been like this

User avatar #125 to #118 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
taxes are at an all time low? you are completely offbased. look at the history of the USA, taxes have been extremely low the majority of the time. around 5% during the 19th century, around 15% most of the 20th century. the government nowadays already gather 28% of the country's GDP. and it'll gather more now.

U.S Dollars always goes up and down, but that's just market events that are not related with the crisis. based on the crisis, the situation is much different. that post you sent me doesn't express any scientific or economic knowledge. it just appeals to emotion. "oh we are so ******* great, we are invincible, we are untouchable, nothing can hit us."
#131 to #125 - danield (04/27/2012) [-]
Why don't you read the article before you make a half-ass comment, now you look like a pretty bad troll
User avatar #159 to #131 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
I've read the article.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is a joke. he doesn't really do his job, he's just Obama's puppet.
#168 to #159 - danield (04/27/2012) [-]
>Proves point

Stay classy,bro
User avatar #181 to #168 - vserras (04/27/2012) [-]
> can't purpose a decent argumentation structure
>desmoralizes the other person in the debate by personal attacks and Argumentum Ad Hominem.

calm down sir. why are you being so agressive?

what did you think the United States Secretery of the Treasury would say to the media anyway? do you think he, in his position, would go to the media and say: "oh yeah, that's it, our economy just got ****** and now the US Dollar won't be the reserve currency or the world anymore." ?

of course politicians in office will always say everything is, or will be, okay, even if it won't. in 2006 and 2007, there were many people already appointing the Financial Crisis.

What did Mr. Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner said? "Everything is under control."

User avatar #97 to #94 - garrettjacobsen (04/26/2012) [-]
I'll just kill myself then.
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