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User avatar #1094 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Personal opinion:
Aethist, Christian, Jew, Islamic, Buddhist, whatever....

If you're not over 20, you don't have the knowledge, life experiences, or personal maturity to decide for yourself WHAT you are. You're just parroting whatever you've heard.

Also, you should re-evaluate your beliefs AT LEAST once a year.
User avatar #1189 to #1094 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
So I'm guessing everyone missed the point and got hung up on '20' and 'decide'. My fault for poor phrasing, so let me rephrase here.

Personal opinion:
Aethist, Christian, Jew, Islamic, Buddhist, whatever....

If you haven't gotten out into the world, and had to survive in it on your own (usually happens around 20). You don't have the experiences that would form a belief system that is "YOU".

Until that point, your beliefs are what has been given to you. By your parents, by your peers, by your teachers, by FunnyJunk, etc etc. It's not until you start seeing the world through your own experiences, on your own, rather than through the layer of familial protection or the experiences of others, that you being to form your own personal beliefs.

I'm not hard coding in 20, I know everyone has different experiences. And 'decide' was probably a bad choice in wording because it appears I'm taking away your ability to pick what you believe, which is not what my meaning is heading towards.
User avatar #1192 to #1189 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
The problem is is that that is what it took for YOU to get to where you needed to be. That is not the same for everyone. That all plays into the experiences, knowledge, and maturity one has, and people gain those differently from others. Each person is unique and can reach that point at different times. Some later and some earlier. Each person is different.
User avatar #1195 to #1192 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
You didn't actually read that did you?
Please re-read the last line of the comment you just replied to.

And again.. I'm not basing this on me. Is that so hard a concept for you? Are you incapable of forming opinions without using yourself as the measure it's against?

I'm assuming this is not the case since you clearly understand everyone is different, so why are you having such a hard time?
User avatar #1197 to #1195 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
You have constantly referred to yourself and how long it took you. That IS using yourself to base this on. You have referred to yourself, your experiences, and your age multiple times throughout these debates. That is called basing it off one's self. You could easily discuss this or anything without using yourself as a basis, but as I said YOU have referred to and used yourself multiple times in these debates.
User avatar #1200 to #1197 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I've only referred to myself when people have asked about me specifically or made a reference to me personally, so of course I'm going to give them information about me when they do so.

All other comments which do not pull me personally into it, I do not refer to myself.

My very first reference to my age and my experiences was in response to you telling me I didn't make this decision until I was 20.

So in fact you're the one who pulled my personal experiences into this whole thing.
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User avatar #1110 to #1094 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
Quick question. Who are you to decide what knowledge someone has, what life experiences they have gone through, or at what maturity level they are at. YOU may not have been ready before you were 20, but there are many people who would be. I will agree with you on questioning one's faith as that keeps you from blinding following.
User avatar #1127 to #1110 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I'm 32 I'm STILL not ready to decide.

As I stated above, It's my personal opinion. I never said I was deciding anything for anyone. But for anyone who has only just passed there final stages mental and physical development by a couple years to say "I know god doesn't exists," or "I know god exists," or "We are all one," or any statement any religion or lack of makes, is simply ludicrous.

Some my learn early, mainly the ones that have had especially unsheltered lives. But if you lived with your parents, then went to college and your 20? You have no earthly I idea what the world has in it, because the only way to know is to go and out and experience it.

Still have your parents taking care of you? You don't even have room to argue against me because you know almost nothing about the world.
User avatar #1132 to #1127 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
People develope at different rates and that is a proven fact. What has taken you 32 years to learn or understand could take someone else half that time. You seem to be thinking that because you didnt experience the world before 20 that others must not be able to. You cannot say what other have or have not experienced, or at what rate they have matured. Many people 20 and below have experience more than you or I and could easily have matured much faster and have far more knowledge. So, just because YOU are not ready to decide does not mean others are not.
User avatar #1141 to #1132 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
-_- Did I or did not say in my previous statement that "some may learn early"?
User avatar #1144 to #1141 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
You to still argue that no one under the age of 20 could possibly be ready to make those kind of decisions for themselves, because you weren't and still are not ready. Do not attempt to drag others down because you are not ready.
User avatar #1172 to #1144 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
No, I don't base it on my personal ability to decide. I never said that. If that was what I meant I would have picked 40.

I picked 20 because it's a good age for learning it. Things that makes you able to decide these sorts of things are the challenges you face in life. A normal person by age 20, usually hasn't faced a lot, if any, challenges in their life, because for most of it they'll be taken care of. It's when you start taking care of yourself that you start getting a clear picture of what life is.
User avatar #1177 to #1172 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
Yes you are basicing off of yourself. Obviously you were taken care of until you were 20, but there are MANY people who were not. I had to become an adult at the age of 10 due to what happened in my life. My fiance had to become an adult at the age of 12. Just because you were "taken care of" so that you didnt mature until 20 doesnt mean others took that long. Some people get a clear picture of what life is far earlier than 20.
User avatar #1191 to #1177 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Um no I wasn't.

By 17 I was working and trying to keep the roof overhead for my mom, my little sister, and me. I had to forgo college to work two jobs. It was around 20 that finally got to relax a bit, got myself a better job and was able to drop one and start taking night classes.

Nowadays I live a MUCH easier life than I used to.

As I said I'm not basing it off of myself.

Also I understand now I worded things poorly, everyone is getting hung up on my magic number of 20 and taking offense at 'decide for yourself'.

Go read the reply I made to my first post, it more clearly states the meaning of my opinion. Then please let me know what you think.
User avatar #1194 to #1191 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
No what people are more getting hung up on is that you are saying they cant reach that point earlier in life. Some people do while others do not. Each person's life is different with different experiences. We arrive at knowledge, maturity, experience, and spiritual peace (if that is what you work towards) at different points in our lives. We are all individuals growing at different paces. Gaining knowledge about the world and ourselves at different speeds. That is what makes use individually unique.
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#1100 to #1094 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
Yes, because obviously everyone under the age of 20 is a complete idiot. You sound just as stupid as the people in the post.
User avatar #1106 to #1100 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
No, not because they're an idiot.

Because 'there are more things in heaven and earth than you have ever dreamed'

Don't mistake a lack of experience for a lack of intelligence. Experience is something you gain over time, and it does an idiot no good what so ever. The idiots can all go and pick what they are at 5. Because they won't make any better decisions later in life.

And intelligent person at least realizes there is much more to know and see than what they already have. I'm going to assume you're an idiot though since I'm guessing you assume you already know it all.
User avatar #1138 to #1106 - trustsharpeye (04/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry, but who asked you to decide what age it's acceptable to believe in religion?
And what, you know it all because you're thirty-two and can't decide upon what you believe in already?
You just sound really fickle minded to me.
User avatar #1150 to #1138 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
No one asked me, I stated my opinion. Did you not read that?

I never said I know it all, my whole point here is that there is more to know than can be be known.
I'm not fickle, I can't decide because I know how much I DON'T know.

Haven't you ever heard the saying "The more you know, you more you realize you don't?"

My opinion is largely based on that. Children very often think they know everything. As is quite obvious by the vehement response i'm getting to my opinion. Everyone is thinking, "I'm smarter, I'm the exception." And the louder they say the more my point is proven.

There are things that life has to show you that you don't even conceive of until certain points in your life. To be unable to accept that premise is completely prove the point I'm making.

User avatar #1157 to #1150 - trustsharpeye (04/21/2012) [-]
I didn't literally mean that anybody asked you, you absolute ******* idiot.
I was trying to say, but without having to patronise you, "You do not have the authority to decide whether or not one can believe or not believe in a religion under the age of twenty." You dumb **** . I know you never said that you know it all, you stupid ****** . But you talk from the perspective of one who does know it all. I'm fifteen. I'm not going to tell you whether I believe in a religion or not. We do not know it all. But, we don't claim, we don't say, we don't think that we know it all. Can't you see how hypocritical you are being? You're talking from the perspective of a person that does truly know everything. Just because you can't decide on something to believe in doesn't mean we can't.
User avatar #1168 to #1157 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Wow.. first time I've ever gotten a chance to use this and mean it...


The first two lines of your entire post are invalidated by, "It's my opinion" I'm not deciding for anyone.

"I never said you know it all"
Um.... wut? Yes you did.
"And what, you know it all because your 32 and..."

I don't know everything, and I'm not talking from a perspective of someone who knows everything. I AM talking from a perspective of some one who knows more. And with good authority, because as I've stated there are things in life you simply don't experience or comprehend until later in life.

My choice, or lack there of, has no relation to my thoughts on the age of twenty. Being 15, you have no idea a vast majority of the things you'll experience and learn in the world.
User avatar #1176 to #1168 - trustsharpeye (04/21/2012) [-]
Don't patronise me you **** !
You're clearly just jealous of the people who can make up their minds about things like this. Who says you know more, eh? Your poor grammar suggests that you have the mental age of a child yourself.
Let's be honest, you're a thirty-two year old on FunnyJunk. Where's your maturity? I'm on FunnyJunk because I'm fifteen, and I've finished revising for my tests for a while. You're on FunnyJunk because your life has taken you nowhere, and you just want everyone ese to feel bad about themselves.
Well **** you.
Great plan wasn't it? Slating what teenagers think on a site largely made up of teenagers.
User avatar #1187 to #1176 - trustsharpeye (04/21/2012) [-]
No reply?
I was enjoying calling you a stupid **** .
User avatar #1204 to #1187 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
My apologizes I've gotten a lot of replies and was having meaningful conversations with others so I let your prepubescent rant wait till later.

Wow you really are mad aren't you?

Sorry I'm not jealous. I say I know more.
I come to FunnyJunk for jokes, just like everyone else here. So you're saying that no one on FunnyJunk is mature? I find that quite funny I've met a lot of mature people here.

EvilFluffyBunny is, capinsquiggles, a few others. You, no. Your rampant, swear filled, tirade which basically is just one long meaningless insult removes you from that category, it's very well made though. Definitely thumbs for creativity.

And no I don't try to make people feel bad, I'm sorry if my statements hit so close to home that they made you feel that way. If they, didn't well that's good I'm glad you're not upset or anything.

Actually I had no plan, I just posted my opinion, it's turned out to be quite entertaining though.
User avatar #1250 to #1204 - trustsharpeye (04/22/2012) [-]
You've just proven my point, thank you.
Despite that nearly all of FJers are quite young, " met a lot of mature people here" - maturity enabling one to decide what they believe in. And yes, your statements did hit close to home.
User avatar #1173 to #1168 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
". I AM talking from a perspective of some one who knows more. And with good authority, because as I've stated there are things in life you simply don't experience or comprehend until later in life."

You cannot determine when someone will learn or experience something in there life. You THINK you know more than all of these other people, because you think you have experienced more than they have. But the simple truth is you have no idea what they have experienced or learned in their lives. You are saying others couldnt know or decided because you dont know and havent decided. That makes you seem like a very arrogant and narcissistic individual.
User avatar #1207 to #1173 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Actually I was referring to trustsharpeye specifically with that statement.

Based on his previous comments and violent response to my reply it's quite obvious he's below par and I can state with 100% certainty I know more than him.

I can say the same about you knowing more than him.
#1208 to #1207 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
I can say with certainty that a piano landing on a zombie equals zombie kill of the week.
I can say with certainty that a piano landing on a zombie equals zombie kill of the week.
User avatar #1209 to #1208 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I dunno... I kinda liked Tallahassee's better.
User avatar #1210 to #1209 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
I liked his story about the bike spokes personally.

User avatar #1211 to #1210 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Yes. That is my favorite Zombie apocalypse movie.
User avatar #1213 to #1211 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
I am a fan of the old George Romero movies, but Zombie land is right up there with them.
User avatar #1178 to #1173 - trustsharpeye (04/21/2012) [-]
Thank you.
What a stupid ****** .
User avatar #1205 to #1178 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
You're Welcome.

#1155 to #1150 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
All your argument is showing is how arrogant and narcissistic you are. You are the type of person who cannot stand to be wrong so no matter what you twist everything to make it seem like you are right no matter what. I honestly feel sorry for you. You are right, you have so very much to learn. Mainly about yourself.
User avatar #1174 to #1155 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Yes it does sound very arrogant I know. It always does when some one states a very controversial opinion like this to the population that said opinion is about.
#1179 to #1174 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
No what makes you sound arrogant is the fact that others have already disproved your statement, but you cannot accept that so you continue to argue the same point even though you have lost. This has become about your pride now.
User avatar #1203 to #1179 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
This is my opinion, there is no way to disprove an opinion. You can only alter another opinion in response to, and so forth and so on.
#1118 to #1106 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
So, you're calling someone an idiot because you think they assume they know everything yet you act like you know all. You tell people they can't choose for themselves because they are under 20 because it obviously impossible for them to have the knowledge, experience, or maturity to decide for themselves. Do you have any idea how arrogant and idiotic that makes you sound?
User avatar #1163 to #1118 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I'm not acting like i know it all. As a matter of fact I've stated numerous times in here that I don't.

There is a very large difference being claiming you "know everything" and trying to show people there are things they simply can't conceive. As I've stated elsewhere on this page, the inability to accept there are more things then you understand by 20 is the foundation and simple proof of my opinion.

I called him idiot because his assumption that I think everyone under 20 is an idiot. It obviously marks him as some one under 20 himself. And he's also obviously taken great offense at my statement since he threw in more insult to me personally. (I took offense at his and returned it in kind).
Arrogant? Of course it sound arrogant. Just like a parent saying "because i said so" is arrogant. Does it make it any less true? No. Are there things in the world you don't understand? MANY.
User avatar #1167 to #1163 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
By the logic of how to identify someone under 20 it would clearly point to you lying about your age and the you would be under 20 as well. You may want to be careful with such statement because they could easily apply to you as well.
User avatar #1096 to #1094 - ilikeepicninjas (04/21/2012) [-]
I disagree, I'm under the age of 20 and know that I don't believe in religion. I grew up surrounded by it due to my family. I have enough experiance to decide whether I believe or not.
User avatar #1120 to #1096 - goonmcnasty (04/21/2012) [-]
I am nineteen and a ******* half and I agree with you, sir. I know for a FACT that I do not believe in god nor the bible, nor will I ever. This clown reckons I have to wait unil August to give my opinion because I don't have enough experience yet...
User avatar #1101 to #1096 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
No, you don't.

That's my whole point. Being surrounded by something, especially something like a theology, does not in any way give you any sort of ability to decide if you should follow it. If anything being surrounded by it from birth would make you more likely to reject it out of hand and go with something else "just because."

Similar to most children all think their parents are idiots, when in fact all they're doing is rebelling against the "authority" they've had in place all their lives, with no way of know their parent's knowledge or experiences.
User avatar #1111 to #1101 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
I grew up around Christians my whole life, I have no problem with them and I'm rather fond of them. I choose to not have a religion because I personally do not agree with a form of higher power nor do I believe in most of the bible stories, I don't like following large groups either. Personally, I think the Universe and life all has a scientific reason for existence and that's the way I choose to live. I believe in what we have scientific proof in, I would not follow a religion for those previous mentioned reasons.

Also I know exactly what my parents try to teach me, and I know it's going to help me further on in life and nothing can come bad of it (most of the time) I mearly dislike it for the fact I feel like I'm being controlled which I don't personally enjoy at all so I often disregard it as nothing. I am quite aware of my parents experiences and reasons for telling me what they do and I've lived long enough to go through many things on my own.

In short sir, I am 15 and your point is invalid.
User avatar #1122 to #1111 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
You believe in what you have scientific proof in?

There is no scientific proof for love, memory, We don't really fully understand how the brain interprets our senses. Do you doubt or disbelieve any of that?

Your point is now invalid, and we've returned to mine.

Trying to paint your world in black and white is again something someone who hasn't experienced enough does.
#1129 to #1122 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
Actually there is proof for love and memory. If you actually did any research what so ever you would know this. You just can't handle the fact that you don't know everything, and could be wrong about your first statement.
User avatar #1125 to #1122 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
Well 2 things here really. The first one being, you took my words out of context. In regards to religion, I don't believe in most of what religion says unless there is scientific proof. Now for the second thing, you assume I believe in love. Not saying I don't, but you assume so.

I'm not trying to paint my world in black and white. I view the world from a logical point with all the information I see and learn around me.
User avatar #1139 to #1125 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I wouldn't say out of context, but i would agree with misunderstood. I thought you were saying you don't believe in religion, you believe in science.

As to all the information you see and learn around, that is EXACTLY what I mean, you are still learning, and your views will change rapidly and constantly. They will not be huge gran changes, just a small thing here a small thing there, until one day BANG, you just Know.

I assumed you believe in love because EVERYONE believes in love. But believing and knowing are two INCREDIBLY different things. Especially with love, so the same with theology.

For now, you BELIEVE what you say about being scientific and logic. One day something is going to happen to you. And it will either shatter your belief completely or it will reinforce to levels beyond your imagining.

Until that day, you simply don't know, you only think you do.

No, I haven't had that day happen yet, I'm 32. But I DO know about the believing in love and knowing love, and that is a huge difference.
User avatar #1151 to #1139 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
But you don't realize it is idiotic to say anyone under 20 doesn't know anything because of experiences because let's say you experience a sudden death of a close family member. But you're 12 years old. By your logic that individual under the age of 20 wouldn't know or experienced the pain of a close loved one. But someone the age of 21 would. I'm sure there are plenty of people above the age of 20 that have yet to experience "common" things. I say "common" due to the fact of common is different for every human being.

This is just one example and the only one I wish to use right now to save this from being to long.

I don't care for love at all, I'm 15 I should be focusing on school work and getting a job over love and relationships. Sure perhaps some day something could happen to change my beliefs, but so could you. Your age stamp of it only being people under the age of 20 is an irrelevant comment due to the fact it's all about chance. Life is not always certain nor are peoples experiences, so you cannot put an age stamp of any kind when dealing with experiences.

It's 3am, I do hope you understand if I don't reply till morning.
User avatar #1182 to #1151 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Of course I understand different people have different experiences. And your analogy to the 12 year is a bit far out of what I'm referring to.

I was using the example of love in regards to your response about science specifically, not to my opinion in general. That death would certainly acceleration a greater understanding of the world.

My main reason for 20 is because that's when people generally get out "on their own." they no longer have the shelter of their previous life and are fending for themselves. Meeting the real world. This is the great former and why I picked that age.

You talk about skipping out on love and focusing on grades and a job. This is a step in what 'm referring to. One day you'll have that job, and it's VERY different from trying to make grades. Until then you simply don't know. And that brings me back to my initial point, there are so many things you don't know. You really can't make that informed decision until you get there.
User avatar #1190 to #1182 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
Using the age of 12 was from a personal experience of mine.

I see why you picked that age now, but I still think putting an age stamp on something like this is rather dumb because you can still experience a great deal before then.

I'm not skipping out on love rather I'm putting it off for a little while, or.. what I really mean is I don't want a relationship right now, due to my last one. I've been employed in a few places before, I'm well informed on how it is different then achieving grades, frankly I find it easier then doing so.

Your initial point "there are so many things you don't know. You really can't make that informed decision until you get there." If that's your point, you shouldn't of put an age stamp on it at all because that's what this conversation is about. The age stamp on what you said, not what you said itself. Of course what you are saying is valid and true, but that is only without the time stamp of 20 years old. Because your point is valid for any ages.

User avatar #1193 to #1190 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Yes I do understand, your meanings. I reworded my original post since everyone was getting hung up on the age and posted a reply to my first comment which more accurately describes my meaning.

i didn't expect the huge debate when I first commented so I simply typed it all out haphazardly.
User avatar #1196 to #1193 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
(read the update) I personally still don't quite agree with it. You don't have to get out on your own to know what things are like in the real world and to form your own opinions.

I'll just give you the long version so you understand my point a little.

You say that people have to get out on their own to form their own belief system and go through experiences out in the world.
(This is a personal story, only saying it to show my point)

My dad passed away when I'm 12, my brother was a useless bastard so I became the man of the house, technically speaking. Any money I made went to help paying bills, or food. I looked after my sister, I looked after my mother to the best of my abilities.
Taking care of a family, something you don't need to go out on your own to do.
I'm a working man, I worry about if we'll have enough food, if we can pay bills, gas money. Those are worries, that came with an experience that by your logic shouldn't happen till I were to move out on my own and see the world.

I am a man who has shut himself out from the world quite a bit. Yes I have friends, yes I have family. Through my own means and my own reasoning I don't give a damn about anyone else's opinion but my own on matters of life and beliefs. No one has taught me that, no one I know thinks that same way. It is purely logical and has helped me become my own defined person and helps me deal with issues. In a sense, due to my father dying I was forced to grow up quicker, while being at home, while still going to school, not moving out on my own. These experiences, this way of though, by your logic should not happen till I move out on my own and experience them. Sure my case isn't exactly common, but it does happen, and since it does happen your point is rather invalid. I apologize for any awkward phrasing, 4am, tired.
User avatar #1198 to #1196 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Actually you just perfectly defined someone getting it early.

This incident, IS you getting out on your own, only more so. You skipped the 'your own' and flipped immediately from protected to protector. A much harsher change than simply the 'getting out' there I refer to.

I guess I should redefine "on your own" to "taking car of yourself." F me for poor linguistics.
User avatar #1202 to #1198 - EvilFluffyBunny (04/21/2012) [-]
That would make much more sense than "out on your own", and I think would have cleared a lot of this up.
User avatar #1199 to #1198 - capinsquiggles (04/21/2012) [-]
It's fine mate, you just didn't see the other meaning of what your own words could have meant till it was pointed out. We're all human so natural mistakes are bound to happen.
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User avatar #1103 to #1101 - ilikeepicninjas (04/21/2012) [-]
Considering I don't think my parents are idiots or my grandparents for that matter your bottom part is invalid.

Also how would you know whether I know what I believe in. You don't know me, you don't know what I'm like. I know what I believe in and I'm happy with it. I acctually did used to believe in god but things happened that made me change my beliefs.

As I said you know nothing about me so how would you know whether I know what I believe?
User avatar #1117 to #1103 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
I know your under 20. And thus you lack a very large area of experience.

My bottom part IS still valid, it was an analogy not a direct relation saying if you think your parents are stupid you can't pick a belief. The simple fact you've mis-understood this statement proves my point.

As I in an above comment to someone else. you can't decide because there are more things that you have no concept of yet. The simple fact you think you can make a complete decision demonstrates why you cannot.

User avatar #1142 to #1117 - theBritishNinja (04/21/2012) [-]
I understand what you mean by the whole aged 20 thing, but why does it matter what someone believes/does not believe?
User avatar #1184 to #1142 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]

I don't really think WHAT they believe matters. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. My thoughts on this are that until you're out there in the world on your own, you yourself don't know what you truly believe, you're simply repeating or believing what you've been told to believe.
User avatar #1124 to #1117 - ilikeepicninjas (04/21/2012) [-]
I haven't said my beliefs won't change I'm just saying that for now I know what I believe in. There's always time for beliefs to change so no-one can know exactly what they'll always believe in.

However once again you don't know me so you can't know what I believe in and why I believe it. Until you know that you can't try and tell me that I can't decide what I believe in. I've been through things that have affected my beliefs but I know that in the future things are going to happen that may also change my beliefs.

In short, I know what I believe in and that has been influcenced by the things I've experienced in my life (you can't say I haven't experienced enough because you don't know what I've experienced). I however also know that things could happen in the future that could change my beliefs.
User avatar #1186 to #1124 - malific (04/21/2012) [-]
Probably the best response I've gotten so far, and i don't disagree, I see now though that I feel I poorly worded my original post.

It's that I don't think you can decide what to believe, because obviously every does decide.

My meaning is that your experiences won't culminate into a belief that is YOU, until you reach 20.

And again a lot of people take exception to 20, so I'll rephrase.

Until you're out on your own, surviving in the world without support. (this usually happens around 20 which is why i chose that age).

Until that point, your beliefs are what has been given to you. By your parents, by your peers, by FunnyJunk, etc etc. It's not until you start seeing the world through your own experiences on your own, rather than the layer of familial protection or other experiences, that you being to form your own personal beliefs.
User avatar #1238 to #1186 - ilikeepicninjas (04/21/2012) [-]
I still disagree, what I believe in hasn't been given to me on a plate, obviously I've been influcenced by other people but so has everyone. No matter how old you are other people will always influence you.

My beliefs are what they are because of things I've experienced and dealt with on my own because they are things that other people couldn't help me with. That is why I disagree with you.

I still don't think that for everyone age matters that much. There's people who are 16 and have gone through more than a 25 year old because of the way they've been brought up and everyone experiences different things at different ages due to a number of factors including personality and background.

I do however see your point when you say you have to have experience to form beliefs
#1108 to #1103 - anon (04/21/2012) [-]
Naaah, you have to have 50 to decide )))
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