I agree with you, but I just want to say - #49171309 added by sulfurhexafluoride at Moral

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(04/18/2012) [-]

I'm a Christian, and I have nothing against gays, nor do I think there is anything wrong, even from a religious standpoint with homosexuality. Sure there are alot of homophobic religious men, but there are alot of homophobes atheists too. Don't judge me on the actions of a few, and I'll return the favor.

#216 to #48 - nickdigger

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(04/18/2012) [-]

A few? A...few...!

Name one significant branch of Christianity that does not publicly and explicitly condemn homosexuality?

#236 to #216 - WakaTakaBang

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(04/21/2012) [-]

The Episcopal church for one thing...

#237 to #236 - nickdigger

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With a worldwide christian population of over 2 billion, the Episcopalian sub-branch of anglicism weighs in 0.1% of the whole. While I do applaud their efforts one tenth of one percent t does not fit my definition of significant.

#232 to #216 - themaaster

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(04/19/2012) [-]

The ELCA allows for homosexual pastors, but it's still disapproved of.

#195 to #48 - filwit

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Just saying. Those two from Leviticus are commandments from God. Unless he's changed his mind in the last few thousand years (which is impossible since he's defined in the Bible as never-changing) then he wants you to not only hate, but kill gays.

This is why some Atheists speak out against your religion. It's not because you believe every word of the Bible, it's because the Bible contains some really messed up stuff and many people promote it to children as absolute truth.

#134 to #48 - ragingmushroom

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I agree with you completely. As a fellow Christian I know how you feel. However, it's just the way it's been and most likely always will be with all religions. You only see the extremists of the religions and hardly hear about the good people of this religion and what they do for it. We've got Rick Santorum... Who I need not explain. We have Muslim extremists, who have caused many people I know to hate all people of the middle east. We have the KKK, which may be a bit of a stretch... However, their revering to the cross and Christ may as well be an insult to the good people of Catholic and Christian faith. The point I'm trying to get across here is that no matter what, the people who do good things due to their faith will be overlooked while the people who demonstrate the worst that a faith can make them do will be put in the spotlight.

#124 to #48 - msvegeta

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The difference is, that atheists don't support a text that explicitly says that being gay is wrong. So there is a lower percentage of atheist homophobes than religious homophobes. I'm not saying anything bad about religion, it's just, in my experience, none of my atheist friends are homophobic. And most of my religious friends say homophobic **** like "we disagree with the lifestyle, but we don't discriminate."
Please no hate... just an innocent opinion...

#76 to #48 - sulfurhexafluoride

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(04/18/2012) [-]

I agree with you, but I just want to say this is a monuments occasion! Someone posted their opinion on a matter and was not shot down!

#84 to #76 - themaaster

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(04/18/2012) [-]

It happens every once in a while.

#69 to #48 - alexrider

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(04/18/2012) [-]

I love you guys!
I am a Christian, and think homosexuality is wrong.
But I don't hate them, I don't understand why they think it's hate... We just don't condone what they are doing.

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#97 to #69 - aidanwh

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(04/18/2012) [-]

why not? homosexual love is love and heterosexual love is love

#233 to #97 - themaaster

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Because sodomy is condemned in the bible. So our problem isn't with them loving each other for love is a great thing, it's with them having sex.

#90 to #69 - PhoJoe

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If atheists took up 80% of the population, only elected atheists politicians, who fight tooth and nail to make sure churches are outlawed, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't buy into someone saying "We don't hate, we just don't condone what you're doing."

#119 to #90 - msvegeta

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Atheists don't "fight tooth and nail to make sure churches are outlawed", they just want education and government to not be influenced by religion. Good try, but obvious logical fallacy is obvious.

#122 to #119 - PhoJoe

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What if I told you that the purple lines next to comments meant that they were a reply to another comment?

#126 to #122 - msvegeta

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(04/18/2012) [-]

Oh, I see what you were saying... At first, I thought you were agreeing with him. This is a sign that I have gone far too long without sleep, and my mind can no longer withstand intelligent conversations. lol

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#59 to #48 - aidanwh

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(04/18/2012) [-]

I respect you fully but there are very few homophobic atheists

#184 to #59 - eldorito

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Yes, there are. People don't need a religious text to be homophobic. The morals (and hatred) come before the Holy Text.

And I'm an atheist.

#71 to #59 - WakaTakaBang

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My friend is atheist and extremely homophobic. It's not just something that was created in the Bible.

#86 to #71 - aidanwh

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very true, however atheists don't have an excuse to be homophobic, whereas Christians can quote the bible Muslims can quote the qu'ran ect. however any one person can break suit, also side note why are you friends with a homophobic person?

#108 to #86 - leku

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Nobody has an excuse to be homophobic.

#128 to #108 - aidanwh

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well given that Christians have a holy book that has a few passages saying that homosexuality is an abomination im pretty sure that would qualift as "an excuse"
(but i mean cmon the whole thing contradicts itself many times, people just pick and choose)

#130 to #128 - leku

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Then why would you pick and choose the the messages of hate?

#105 to #86 - deathzor

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there are plenty of excuses than an atheist could have to be homophobic. not every person is alright with someone of the same sex being around them.

~an atheist who doesn't give a **** what sex you're into and is for the LGBT community, as well as gay rights.

seriously. I live in a country where it's legal in like 12 states to marry your first cousin, yet 2 states to marry your partner.

#106 to #105 - deathzor

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that

#107 to #106 - deathzor

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******* keyboard be trollan

#95 to #86 - WakaTakaBang

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I don't judge people on their political or religious beliefs, but rather on their character. He likes to poke fun at my Catholicism and I like to poke fun at his atheism. When it comes to a persons stance on an issue such as homosexuality, I'm open to all opinions. What I can't stand is when people so for homosexuality berate people who aren't. It's an outlook on a subject that seems very holier-than-thou. I'm for it, he's against it.

#104 to #95 - aidanwh

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i disagree, i think its more of a black and white topic one side being accepting and the other side not being accepting, also i don't judge people because of their religion rather how they are as a person. If someone is religions and accepting i'm cool with them. If someone is an atheist and discriminatory i wont want to be that persons friend.
also how does your friend justify being homophobic?

#118 to #104 - WakaTakaBang

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You don't "justify" being homophobic. There's nothing to justify. They're just his personal views on the matter. Just because he's against it doesn't make him a bad person.

#121 to #118 - msvegeta

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It kind of would make him a bad person. If you dislike people you haven't met, based on some label that they were born with, how moral are you? Yeah, not very.

#127 to #121 - WakaTakaBang

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He doesn't hate them, but the concept just doesn't sit well with him. He's also not an extreme homophobe in the sense that he won't talk to them. Right now you're judging him based on his views. I don't defend his choice to not be accepting, but I do defend his right to make that choice. "Close minded" is a term tossed around a little too much for my test when it comes to this topic of discussion. We both share a mutual friend who will completely sandbag you if you speak ill homosexuals. He'll attack anyone who does not share his views on the matter. There is a fine line between being opinionated and being self-righteous.

#131 to #127 - msvegeta

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It's nice to have an opinion, but if it's a negative one that can hurt people's feelings, eh, not so great. I mean, "the concept just doesn't sit well with him'? That's ridiculous. So now, if another person's lifestyle feels strange to you, it's okay to just be against them? That sounds a touch ignorant, don't you think?

#139 to #131 - WakaTakaBang

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He just doesn't agree. Let's say he was against a very dark cult: people that lived in such a way that they would be impossible to agree with. Let's also say a bystander looked at him and told him he was ignorant for having the views he did. Would this make the bystander ignorant? Would the bystander be attacking my friend? I'm not going to turn around after all this and say, "You know what? You're right! My friend is ignorant and I'm sorry for defending his right to have an opinion." This subject isn't so black and white.

#140 to #139 - msvegeta

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No, of course you're not going to insult your friend. But you're allowed to respectfully disagree with your friend. Cuz the fact is, being gay isn't like being in a cult. It's a part of who someone is. Why not agree? The whole definition of being gay is that it isn't a choice. Disagreeing with homosexuality is like disagreeing with black people. Does the concept of black people sit well with your friend?
He still has a right to have an opinion. But it just sounds like there's a huge logical fallacy behind "disagreeing" with gay people. And I have I right to that opinion...

#221 to #140 - WakaTakaBang

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I never said I agreed with him. I'd also like to make it clear that I do not think that homosexuality is a cult, I was only making an analogy. The whole "definition" of being gay is not that it is a choice. I'd venture to say that homosexuality just means you're attracted to the same sex. And how are you leading this back to black people? Being black is not a lifestyle choice. Being racist and finding a lifestyle difficult to comprehend are two different things altogether.

#228 to #221 - msvegeta

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Yes, the whole 'definition' of being gay is that it's NOT a choice. Just like your race or gender are not a choice. So linking homophobia and racism is pretty easy cuz they both disagree with others based on something that those others can't help.
Being gay isn't a lifestyle, it's a part of who you are.

#92 to #86 - PhoJoe

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(04/18/2012) [-]

Could be worse, could be a homophobic Sikh. They have to outright ignore their holy book.

#70 to #59 - halfmetalalchemist

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And you received your statistics where kind sir?

#57 to #48 - themaaster

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Read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Now that that's out of the way, we christians have no right to judge homosexuals in that way, that's god's right only, nor do we have any business being assholes about it (I'm look at you westboro baptist church, you're giving all of us a bad name)

#94 to #57 - PhoJoe

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That was written before Ridiculously Photogenic Guy.

#231 to #94 - themaaster

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Doesn't make a difference. Besides, he's not that good looking. I would look just as good if I grew a beard like that.