The Obama. OC.. Why don't we get rid of the useless and send all that money to NASA? NASA is the future.
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#151 - thenewnuggubler (04/11/2012) [-]
my favorite pic of obama
User avatar #4 - timbittwo (04/11/2012) [-]
Why don't we get rid of the useless **** and send all that money to NASA? NASA is the ******* future.
#191 to #4 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
Funny fact: Obama DID raise the nasa budget. He only shortened the budget for manned moon missions.
User avatar #313 to #4 - aesguitar ONLINE (04/11/2012) [-]
**** NASA, DARPA is developing (and has a prototype) a material that grants invisibility.
#328 to #313 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]

but that won't get us unto space
User avatar #335 to #328 - aesguitar ONLINE (04/11/2012) [-]
No, but the flying jellyfish they developed might....
But don't forget all the classified **** in their archives, we don't know what they are really building...
User avatar #138 to #4 - alphashell (04/11/2012) [-]
Good idea, let's waste more billions of dollars on useless space misssions.
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#91 to #14 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
You are ******* retarded. Socialism is the nationalisation of production centres and services. What you are currently experiencing in the USA is a slightly less privatised version of Capitalism.
#31 to #14 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
you really dont know **** about socialism :)
i aint even mad at your ignorance, its just refreshingly funny
oh, by the way, **** you :D
and yes, you are clearly a slut as your account states pretty well
instead of millions being flushed down the space toilet, there will be more investigation in practical in-our-world matters that need urgent solving
space can wait, people dying right now...have less chances to wait
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#49 to #37 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
hippie liberal?trust me, not even close
just able to read between the lines of society
i like how you categorize your choices as ''hard'', when all factual evidence points to the intelectual contrary
what i like too about your reason building is the contradiction that sourrounds it all
stealing the rich peoples money is the same as retrieving state benefaction?if you are so liberal speaking from an economic point of view, i like how you contradict yourself by supporting the fact that we should totaly keep state subventions to a private agency :)
oh, theres something else i like
how you go from a debate based on general, abstract matters to particular specific cases which warms peoples hearts and ignites their feelings...good job on that one...just not quite demagogic enough for people with a brain
its probably true that nasa is not one of the main reasons why the us is in so much debt, but it surely is one of them...lets ignore it then!! :) yeeeeei
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#303 to #66 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
conservatism supports liberal commerce...
you are so stupid there is no need for an should not have children
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User avatar #25 to #14 - AngryRedMidget (04/11/2012) [-]
I don't see how economic and social progress would impede space travel
#61 to #25 - geraldbostock (04/11/2012) [-]
I love you for this comment.
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User avatar #264 to #47 - Fgner (04/11/2012) [-]
1) I would just like to say, I do support taxing the rich more. Nobody actually needs millions or billions of dollars, if I ever have the chance to have that massive of a salary, the most I will actually keep would be about 100k a year, and anything else would be donated to science or asked to be given as bonuses to the rest of the workers. A man making 10k a year should pay much less in % of taxes than a man making 10,000k or so.

2) It's a simulated freedom. They tell us we are free, we believe it, but they do whatever they want anyway. It's like Mass Effect indoctrination if you need an analogy. You don't realize you are indoctrinated, you think you are free, but you aren't.
#65 to #47 - daviddares (04/11/2012) [-]
Is it? I dont see it that way, and I certainly get a higher tax rate than the majority of people around here. In my opinion, it all depends in your perspective of equality. If you ask everyone to pay 10 bucks, that's equal. But if some people only make 13 bucks have to pay 10 and then others make 30 have to pay 10 bucks, now from the perspective of percentages its not fair any more.

Additionally, Capitalism, and I mean straight up, no barriers capitalism, does not work. Our history has proved that. all you have to do is study the history. Franklin Delano Roosevelt took out US from **** when he founded work for thousands and developed many public facilities and much infrastructure, plus the equivalent of socialism stile social services. The other end of the spectrum was found just prior to that, when we approached to pure capitalism on both an economic and governmental scale. It turned out that the richer got richer and the poorer got poorer, and then production problems started to arise, not to mention that the life expectancy also dropped quite a bit, and so did the morale of the people.

That said, Capitalism IS a VERY effective for development, but it cant be left with no barriers. To this day I dont know what the perfect economic system would be like. I suppose it perhaps the best to go about it would be to make a "cycle" during which Capitalism is almost free and after a while its replaced with Socialism, and then the cycle is repeated. Or perhaps its would be best to have a dead center middle ground between Capitalist and Socialist Ideology? I haven't been able to figure it out yet, which of this two would be best.
User avatar #292 to #65 - Fgner (04/11/2012) [-]
I've always agreed about the fact that capitalism can NOT work in it's purest form. People think I'm a communist or whatever, but it truly doesn't work. It is unstable at best, and makes the separation of classes exponentially larger, as well as tanking a lot of the aspects of a society.

I don't know what would work perfectly, but I've always assumed that it would have to be a hybrid between numerous forms of economic and political systems. In my opinion, though, to have Utopia, we must first create the Utopian to reside in it. I can tell people like you and I are most likely the closest we have at the moment (reasonable, intelligent, et cetera), and that's just not enough.

Utopia is 'good place' but it also translates as 'no place'-completely impossible to attain, and anyone who tries to do so is deluded.
#565 to #292 - daviddares (04/12/2012) [-]
Good argument on utopia. I find myself inclined to agree with you in that aspect. Capitalism is unstable, but so are many other systems, all of them having strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, the best way to go about it would be to have a hybrid that covers several aspects thoroughly, and doesn't leave too many holes for collapse or dis-equality to reach alarming proportions.

To my knowledge it would have to be a something similar to a capitalist market with a socialist government (if that makes sense). Or, a cycle government, which goes periodically through capitalism and socialism cycles. or perhaps just one big master hybrid economic-political system. But as long as people are easily swayed and dont willing rely on each-other while doing their best on their own, no system will ever come close to perfect.
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#74 to #69 - daviddares (04/11/2012) [-]
That is trick right there sir! (and by the way, thank you for being rational. I am glad to meet an other intelligent life form here)
See, there are two possibilities the way I see it:

1. To avoid the poor getting lazy, you CANT give them everything. You can give them SOME support, but make it so that the support keeps them afloat IF they work. That way, if the people decide to be smart-asses and try to leech from the government they would quite literally sink. As I said, it has to be proportional.


2. They could use the cyclical system I mentioned so that even if thepeople tried to relly on the system, the system would be cut off at some point (and they would know that of course), which would force them to work (and keep working) during the Socialist time of the cycle, when they can save more money, in order to save up enough money to survive during the capitalist period of the Cycle.

I think those would be the two best options. Your thoughts?

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#569 to #566 - daviddares (04/12/2012) [-]
Thank you sir, you yourself are pretty mentally capable too. Despite the fact that you do have personal reasons to oppose socialism, you were rational enough to present argumentative evidence and philosophy in your comments. I do not say socialism is perfect. I do not say Capitalism is a complete failure. I say that no system is perfect, but we can improve them. The best way to do it is to find a point of balance to build from there. That's all I am trying to find my self. As I have said, all systems have flaws and strong points. the trick is to try to mix them in a way that there are less flaws and more strengths than before.

Yes, socialism, in its purest and most basic form, sounds really nice in paper, but we all know that there would be many people who would just leech off the system and eventually bring a lot of problems to it. You were correct on that. So I agree, On the other hand, Capitalism in its purest form creates more gaps socially and economically, which would also create a huge problem. But we all know that in this day and age, no European or American Nation (that is, no 1st world country that is fully developed) is fully capitalist or fully socialist. Yet, they all have their problems.

So, I figure we need a new system. Something that brings together the very best of all the systems, built in a foundation of Equality and moderation. Excess will bring you down just as quick as being overly static. The way to do this would be to find a way to allow people to be free, allow them to have competition, allow them to have a good chance at success, but creating a standard so that equality is preserved, and a small cushion that could give them a second chance should they fall into problems, but at the same time one not so large that people could survive of it for long.
Or at least that's my theory. I hope it made sense.
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#573 to #570 - daviddares (04/12/2012) [-]
You are mostly right. Not completely though. there is one little Bonus hope. Talking like we do now =) By talking we solidify thoughts and even educate ourselves about subjects, while at the same time develop ideas and absorb ideas from our talks. By talking we might be able to teach other people about something, perhaps just slightly shift their perspective slightly, or even make them reconsider something entirely. If this keeps happening, eventually voices will accumulate and and the government is forced to follow suit. That's really the main reason why talk in all this political argument threads. I dont intend on forcing anyone to my side, nor do I intend to fully and out-rightly attack others without reason. I am here to see if I can spread thoughts, seeds of that will make people think about the future and look at things from other angles. I find that most people actually only view things from one or two perspectives that are not that far off from each other. Its best to consider many angles in order to understand the world better. Thats really all I want. I want to cause people to think, I want people to consider several sides of the argument, I want to make it so that people are encouraged enough to think that they will vote, and then we will really have a decent majority of the country voting and representing our country.

Perhaps thats really the best way. it might be slow, but its solid, and it might even ripple out to others who might want to start making people think too. and then who knows? Maybe the world will be more interesting and beautiful then.
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#582 to #581 - daviddares (04/12/2012) [-]
The first half is mostly correct. The second half deteriorates into bias... South American dictatorship and internal war struggle was a product of corruption withing the internal government for the most part, which was at the time of the ideals similar to today's conservative party. However they grew complacent with their people and **** started to happen. Additionally, the rebelling and terrorist groups in south America are not considered Socialists. They are considered Communists or Fascists (depending on which group you refer too), and often come from very poor families with not much education, and they are easily convinced by someone who come out saying "Hey guys! I just heard about about this GREAT new guy called Stalin you know? I hear that they share EVERYTHING in russia." and of course, for people that work for a about $3 a day, that seems like the greatest idea ever. as they say, Ignorance is bliss.

On the other hand, he has a point with the whole spending thing. And its true. Nothing is free, and if American was going to turn into a more socialist like society, there would be an adjustment period during witch it would enter more debt, but inturn it would create infrastructure and demand, which in time would create them a very stable economy, like what occurred with Rosevelt during the great depression.

In my opinion its a very well written persuasive propaganda. It weaves some very solid and true facts with some stuff that could be very misleading for the average person. All in all, I am not a fan of what they did there. One shouldn't give obviously misleading information like that. Anyone that doesn't know the basics of that history of many locations he mentioned (i.e: Most of America, since they have no reason to) and the process that led up to them would be easily misguided by them.

That's my opinion anyways. I visited Colombia last year during my vacation actually. BEAUTIFUL country. And I did learn a thing or two about their country's history.
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#276 to #4 - jakeattack (04/11/2012) [-]
Because lobbyists influence congress, they are only going to use their money to help companies and are short sighted they are ignorant and don't realize the future of our species is in space, we are in the cradle of humanity, but a baby cant stay in the cradle just as we cant stay on one planet.
#9 to #4 - ihateusernamesalot (04/11/2012) [-]
True that
I mean, look me in the eye (metaphorically) and tell me you don't want to explore space.
User avatar #10 to #9 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
I am from Norway, and my goal in life is to be an astronaut. Everyone I've ever told it to has laughed in my face and said I'm never going to make it. Most likely i won't but if I do my first word when I stand on Mars will be something like: "To all those people whom did not believe in me. **** you, I'm on Mars." That would be awesome, but ******* hard to accomplice.
User avatar #16 to #10 - arcticvenom (04/11/2012) [-]
you can do it, you have an awsome profile pic
User avatar #18 to #16 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
I can, and I will! And I will! Yeah, this dog describes me pretty much. And thus you also have an awesome avatar!
User avatar #19 to #18 - arcticvenom (04/11/2012) [-]
when you get there message me
User avatar #20 to #19 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
I sure will! Just listen to the first people landing on Mars, and I wll give credit to articvenom, one of the only people whom believed in me.
#133 to #20 - machlah (04/11/2012) [-]
bro you have to say this when you land on Mard: man if this ain't gonna get me pussy i giv up.
User avatar #145 to #133 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Damn that would be epic! hahaha
#155 to #145 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
Make sure to shout out to your bros at funnyjunk!

"Special thanks to the guys and girls at funnyjunk who believed in me! **** 9GAG!!"

Those exact words please, thanks.
User avatar #197 to #155 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
**** Yeah
User avatar #23 to #10 - epicjolteon (04/11/2012) [-]
Your first word should be " ******* " I'm sure you'd be the first man to be racist in space, and it would be ******* hilarious.
User avatar #24 to #23 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Either that or: "dickbutt" that would also be fun!
User avatar #26 to #24 - epicjolteon (04/11/2012) [-]
That it would. "huston, we have a dickbutt"
User avatar #27 to #26 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Haha, that would be awesome, and the only ones to understand it would be brothers from funnyjunk!
User avatar #345 to #10 - drowsap (04/11/2012) [-]
Tommel opp!
User avatar #349 to #345 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Takk mann! Alt for Norge!
User avatar #354 to #349 - drowsap (04/11/2012) [-]
Mange nordmenn her for tiden :)
User avatar #355 to #354 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Ja, er i grunn det. Bedre at de kommer hit en artige mener nå jeg. Har utviklet hat for den siden.
User avatar #358 to #355 - drowsap (04/11/2012) [-]
Enig. Artige suger.

Jeg tror mange blir skremt MLP-postene, og holder seg derfor til 9Gag/Artige. Huff.
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User avatar #367 to #362 - drowsap (04/11/2012) [-]
Enig! Det burde vært mulig å filtrere bort alt som har med MLP å gjøre.
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User avatar #371 to #367 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Ja, ett filter hadde vært best. Det virker jo ikke som om det kommer til å slutte i nærmeste fremtid så...
User avatar #360 to #358 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Yeah, dør litt inni meg hver gang en av vennene mine viser meg noe derfra..
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User avatar #584 to #366 - playfaire (04/12/2012) [-]
Haha, vet nå ikke helt om det blir noe astronaut uansett, men er nå alltid verdt ett forsøk! Stoner-humor er bare artig syntes jeg, så kan jo virke som om jeg røyker, men nei. Haha.
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User avatar #596 to #595 - playfaire (04/12/2012) [-]
Yeah, har en del venner som røyker, så har skjønt det ikke er så altfor bra.
User avatar #312 to #10 - thefunnyjunkers (04/11/2012) [-]
I'm aspiring to be an Astrophysicist, and if that fails I've always wanted to fall back onto being an Astronaut. We will both be graced with the privilege of landing on Mars.
User avatar #321 to #312 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Awesome! You know what would be even more awesome? If two people (us two) landed on Mars and the first flag we put up was the FJ logo!
User avatar #326 to #321 - thefunnyjunkers (04/11/2012) [-]
Yeah! That'd be cool, the universe has always been the greatest area of fascination and intrigue for me.
User avatar #332 to #326 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Yeah, me too! I will never stop gazing up towards the stars. It seems to me this is the only place we can find hope and understand more about everything.
User avatar #338 to #332 - thefunnyjunkers (04/11/2012) [-]
Exactly dude, it's the final frontier, and we need to begin it's conquering now. Good luck with your goals, bro.
User avatar #340 to #338 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Yes, that's true! From this day on, we will travel, to infinity and beyond! Good luck to you too bro! May the force be with you!
User avatar #339 to #338 - thefunnyjunkers (04/11/2012) [-]
*its conquer

Excuse my grammar.
User avatar #341 to #339 - playfaire (04/11/2012) [-]
Grammar don't matter, no will notice that on Mars anyways.
#479 to #10 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
i want to be an astronaut too :D im 15, a sophomore in highschool, and im taking college russian, astrophysics, and electrical engineering, in hopes of moving to russia or a different country and joining their space program.   
Here's a gif of drinking water in space
i want to be an astronaut too :D im 15, a sophomore in highschool, and im taking college russian, astrophysics, and electrical engineering, in hopes of moving to russia or a different country and joining their space program.
Here's a gif of drinking water in space
#6 to #4 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
Because the government has to keep all the lobbying morons happy. **** lobbying. It ruins Western democracy.
#467 to #6 - piplh (04/11/2012) [-]
******* lobbies, they piss me off!
#282 - arvad (04/11/2012) [-]
can somebody switch their faces like this one
#290 to #282 - conagheraxe (04/11/2012) [-]
Gonna try it in Paint.
User avatar #330 to #297 - arizonastar (04/11/2012) [-]
i have never laughed that hard EVER on fj, thank you

#378 to #297 - gothdino (04/11/2012) [-]
mfw i saw this. You made me laugh, good job sir!
mfw i saw this. You made me laugh, good job sir!
#252 - bostongreggissexy (04/11/2012) [-]
I couldn't help myslef
#15 - usernameerror ONLINE (04/11/2012) [-]
uh... guys?
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#463 to #462 - deadz (04/11/2012) [-]
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#130 - sippay (04/11/2012) [-]
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User avatar #134 to #130 - undeadZeik ONLINE (04/11/2012) [-]
I'd vote for'im
User avatar #158 to #130 - Javascap (04/11/2012) [-]
I am o.k. with this.
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Nice thumbs, I meant (44).
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User avatar #373 to #116 - eldorito (04/11/2012) [-] Mars? He's doing that.
#265 - deathbyponies (04/11/2012) [-]
**deathbyponies rolled a random image posted in comment #6 at good guy grog ** MFW Nasa is gone
#357 to #265 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
NASA isn't gone. The space program part was shut down.
#209 - swedishmeatball (04/11/2012) [-]
Then we can keep bailing out multi-million dollar companies!
User avatar #214 to #209 - whendoubting (04/11/2012) [-]
Why does Obama look so much like Bush in this picture?
User avatar #219 to #214 - daboomee (04/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #218 to #214 - guymandude (04/11/2012) [-]
why do you think?
User avatar #225 to #218 - whendoubting (04/11/2012) [-]
But then the joke would be to point out similarities between the too, Bush didn't do any bailing out. Of anybody.
User avatar #237 to #225 - ReeferTrees (04/11/2012) [-]
Obama has not changed a single one of bush's policies, all that "Change" he was talking about. Even before he was president he agreed with all of bush's policies.
User avatar #230 to #225 - swedishmeatball (04/11/2012) [-]
Just to show, that both of them are **** presidents.
User avatar #229 to #225 - guymandude (04/11/2012) [-]
#250 to #209 - professionalbadass (04/11/2012) [-]
Holy **** , it's scary how perfectly merged that picture is.
#35 - glasgowrangers (04/11/2012) [-]
but guise if we keep wasting money on space how will we be able to fund a war on Iran?
#159 to #35 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
Borrow money from martians or rape their natural resources native america style.
User avatar #36 to #35 - DrBobsPatient (04/11/2012) [-]
keep spending money, build the economy, get jobs back, get money back, pay for the war.
#52 to #36 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
As weird as it is, that is correct. US has already used that tactic before several decades ago. During the great depression, they spent money to hire people to build infrastructure and facilities for the people (such as the The Hoover Dam and many other facilities) to create a source of income for people and at the same time improve their country, thereby creating demand and improving their infrastructure which in turn made the US very efficient nation in the future. Quite honestly, its probably the best way to go about things, according to history.
#67 to #52 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
What indicates to you that this strategy was beneficial? Is there any evidence that you've observed, or are you just saying that it looks like a good idea?
#81 to #67 - daviddares (04/11/2012) [-]
Actually, yes there is. US history ironically, has some of the best. I looked it up just a little while ago. The guy that was in charge of us at the time was Franklin D. Roosevelt, and and he apparently was very popular, since he has being President so far (to my knowledge) that has being elected more than 2 terms. It seems that the US was in a real rot due to the depression and this guy set up a bunch of systems and facilities, some of which are still being used today. I am going to check some books to see how much things improved though, this actually sounds quite interesting.
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#163 to #152 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
There was a term limit then too, they just allowed him longer due to the country being on the brink of war and the fact that there was just no money and **** hit the fan.
#104 to #81 - anon (04/11/2012) [-]
New anon here .... check your books, they have a point of view. I would argue that the New Deal EXTENDED The Great Depression
#564 to #104 - daviddares (04/12/2012) [-]
Its an argument that may have some merit, but only in the immediate effect. in the long run, the infrastructure created gave us a fairly good advantage of resources and transportation over many countries.
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