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User avatar #416 to #408 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
You're kidding me, right?
So we can't think of something unless we already know it?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
#420 to #416 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
Go ahead, think of a cllor outside the color spectrum (ie. make up a color)
User avatar #425 to #420 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
That's the color.
#456 to #425 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
right... but how does it look like? It is impossible to think of a completly new color. therefore your argument is invalid. Lets say you're supposed to make up an alien creature. You do this by mixing all kinds of ****** up **** , yet all these ingredients you're throwing in the bowl must come from somewhere - ie, your memory = something you already know.
Don't get me wrong, there's definitaly something called creativity, but it everything stems from experiences - creativity simply means what you creativaly can do with those experiences/images.
User avatar #461 to #456 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
Mate, how am I supposed to describe Avendanimus to you if you've never seen it? Sure, I know what it looks like, but without a comparison there's no way you could know.

Prove me wrong.
#503 to #461 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
First of all, I do love the name of the color. Yet, a name isn't enough. We have discoverd all the colors that our eyes can see - tiny bits of the electromagnetic spectrum (colors of the rainbow). Which is as I said, and also mentioned in the interview, just a tiny bit of the vast expanse of the electromagnetic spectrum. There are so-called other colors, such infared, microwaves etc, but we need high-tech equipment to notice them - and even then, the equipment doesn't show their true colors.
#536 to #503 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
Pic related?
User avatar #525 to #503 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
Exactly. Because the light spectrum is finite. Human imagination is infinite.
User avatar #566 to #525 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
It is the same color because our eyes function in the same manner with the same nerves and reactions. Unless someone is color blind. Such as my ex was colorblind to red. So her eyes couldn't recognize red in the color spectrum and it changed all the other colors that had red tint to it.
#476 to #461 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
Now I want to know what it looks like...
(different anon)
User avatar #483 to #476 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
It's ******* amazing bro.
User avatar #414 to #408 - doodnotheface (04/09/2012) [-]
Not trying to take a dig at you but following that logic wouldn't that mean every made up creature / species in stories are real? or atleast based off of something rather similar?
#538 to #414 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
Well yeah, memory/experience + creativity can create a lot of weird stuff. Take all the weird **** you've seen in movies and in real life and make up a creature. It might be impossible to know the origin (which memories/images in your brain that have been used) of the creature, but it is all mixed in there by memory. Creativity by itself cannot create something from nothingness.
User avatar #445 to #414 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
I took a philosophy class and yes, everything in mythology is pretty much based off features of already existing things. True original ideas are ideally impossible.
User avatar #475 to #445 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
That's ******** . Where do you think the designs for the first cars came from? The shapes of nature? Or the Eiffel tower? Naval ships, guns? The list goes on mate. But don't ask me to continue the list, because I'm a lazy cunt.
#548 to #475 - rialo (04/09/2012) [-]
Man, where there's a need there's a way. But yeah out minds are limited to the knowledge we acquire through logic, or senses

User avatar #551 to #548 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
Or our imagination. I don't want to type this all out again, I'm sure i said something like that down there somewhere.
#546 to #475 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
"Creativity by itself cannot create something from nothingness." It is all from memory, experiences and how your brain conceive these things...
User avatar #547 to #546 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
I am not explaining all this over again. Look somewhere down the thread.
User avatar #496 to #475 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
I said everything in mythology. and the shapes of nature are natural. I'm talking about our own internal ideas and designs. and look at the eiffel tower, its slightly coned. like nothing ever has looked like that, really? and naval gun ships, based off guns which were designed to replace bows and arrows and use gun powder that was accidentally created by the chinese. Cars were made to be aerodynamic and were made to replace horse and buggy, which is like a small room pulled by a horse. and houses were designed to replace living in huts and caves.
User avatar #512 to #496 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
That doesn't justify your argument at all! The first cars weren't aerodynamic in the slightest. "It's slightly coned." Is that really the best you can do? Really? That's like saying "You're not a unique person because that guy over there is the same gender as you."
And I was talking about the ships, not the guns, which you have still failed to explain how the idea for the shape came about.
We imagine anything we ******* well want to.
The only reason any human mythology represents real things is because the people who thought of it wanted to create those links.
User avatar #533 to #512 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
Go take a philosophy class and you'll learn about how all ideas we think of on our own are from memory. Everything else we learn. Unless you believe all knowledge is innately within us but we must have something trigger it for us to bring it into our conscious knowledge.
User avatar #543 to #533 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
Philosophy is a dead art. It lost out to Science centuries ago.
Neither of those statements hold any bearing.
Human thought is random. It is electrical pulses surging around brain tissue in a way we don't really understand. At any second it could cause a strange thought, utterly unrelated to anything you're doing or have ever done, and is certainly capable of envisioning things that have never before been seen.
The entire basis of Science, of invention, is man's ability to think of something that has never been seen by any other man before.
We're not just shaping old principals into new ideas.
We create new ideas. That is the hallmark of humanity, what makes us different from every other animal species.
But hey, I wouldn't want to make you feel like your no doubt multi-thousand dollar Philosophy class was a complete and utter waste of time and money.
User avatar #549 to #543 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
Yes, science holds more bearing. But not all thought is random. Right now you're making an argument to prove your point. And all I did was say true unique creativity is impossible. But go ahead and try and think of something that is not related to anything you've ever thought of before. Or draw something that has no resemblance to anything you've seen ever before. That's my point. And science is based off the scientific theory which is drawing hypothesis off prior knowledge.
#553 to #549 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
Exactly! And my I just add; everyone you've see in a dream are people you've seen before. Either if it's on TV, walking down the street or w/e - therefore when you think you've painted/made up something/someone totally unique it is simply memories. Memoeries your brain doesn't think is important enough to waste time and energy to remember exactly where you've seen them
User avatar #550 to #549 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
I can draw something that isn't related to anything I've ever seen before. By simply making random movements with my hand. Unless you're claiming that every single possible combination of pencil strokes I could possibly make is related to something I've seen before.
User avatar #562 to #550 - cocksmash (04/09/2012) [-]
You're missing the point, we can't think of something we haven't seen before. Random hand movements aren't part of that process. Besides, the lead, pencil, abstract art, paper, etc. Have already been thought of before. Just try thinking of something you've never seen. That alone is a contradiction.
User avatar #563 to #562 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
So because paper already existed, nothing anybody ever draws on paper is original? That's a demerit to the argument the others were making.

And I can think of hundreds of things I've never seen! That's how we get new things, you thick skulled imbecile. If you're going to take their side, at least try to know what they're talking about.
User avatar #565 to #563 - tanisrapedmygoat (04/09/2012) [-]
I've never seen a unicorn in real life. But I've seen a horn and a horse. And the compilation of those ideas resulted in a unicorn. And insulting someone will never bring any support to your argument. It seems you're naive and don't comprehend what we are saying.
User avatar #567 to #565 - aldheim (04/09/2012) [-]
I perfectly comprehend what you're saying, but i was getting owned at TF2 and was pissed.
Anyway, it seems the majority of FJ agrees with you, so I'm just going to leave this thread, because i can't be bothered trying to re-explain myself to every person that wants to put their two cents in.
User avatar #564 to #563 - cocksmash (04/09/2012) [-]
It seems to me that you argument lacks merit when you result to insults. EVERY think you can ever think of comes from things you have experienced in your life. Take your car example. That was man discovering how an engine works, not coming up with some crazy idea no one has ever seen. Everyone knew about tires, sheet metal, glass, etc. The creators of the automobile just happened to find a way to put all those things together to make a piece of machinery that could do something new.
#413 to #408 - bitchslappa (04/09/2012) [-]
im guessing you have not taken a good look at pyramids,stone hedge and other landmarks that have weird writings and unexplainable ways to be have put there manually by hand. i dont think the idea was very half assed
#491 to #413 - anon (04/09/2012) [-]
And isn't stonehenge supposed to have something to do with the summer or winter solstice? Like when the sun is setting on one of the solstices it lines up with one of the holes in stonehenge.
#447 to #413 - dividedskye (04/09/2012) [-]
Just for the pyramid part, the Jews built it.

And that makes perfect sense because they've been persecuted throughout time and are still around, which in my mind implies they are a very strong willed race of people.
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