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#75 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
The Jewish religion doesn't allow anyone to leave it or join it   
   
inb4 they inhabit Palestine and cause the middle east loads of problems and us Syrians too
The Jewish religion doesn't allow anyone to leave it or join it

inb4 they inhabit Palestine and cause the middle east loads of problems and us Syrians too
#117 to #75 - Marker
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Actually, we do allow converts, where you pulled that one out of your ass I have no idea.
#78 to #75 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Also, the whole "Nobody can leave or join." is incorrect.
#77 to #75 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
No, I'm pretty sure the Middle East causes them problems. If I recall my history correctly, they didn't start most of the wars that they've been involved in.
#81 to #77 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
I beg to differ,
Palestine is for its original inhabitant but the Isreali "Zionists" project leaders wanted to get all the jews and form a country and the choice was on Palestine.
Then jews flooded to Palestine and called it their own

trust me, I have lots of details. Am Syrian, they seized some of our land by war.
#84 to #81 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Well, okay, for one thing this debate is pointless because you are hopelessly biased.

Also, as far as history is concerned, Israel is the birthplace of Judaism. They were there originally, before the Romans kicked them out. They have a claim that goes further back than anyone else for that area.
#86 to #84 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
No I am not hopelessly biased, I just learnt my history
and that's not as far as history is concerned. There was never an "Israel" country before 1948.
#96 to #86 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
"The Jewish religion doesn't allow anyone to leave it or join it."

Learned your history? Taking that sentence into account, reading isn't your strong suit. So yes, you are biased. It just looks bad when you admit it. I understand.
#102 to #96 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
It is true to a certain extent
and I just popped it in the comment not in the debate because I heard it being said
#106 to #102 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
You're not debating anything. You're saying "Israel bad. Why? Because I said so."

Offer facts. Not just your word. Because it isn't worth anything in a debate.
#113 to #106 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Oh come on, I have many reasons

a few are :
Massacring innocent people
Fighting other nations
Kicking out people from their homes
They could safely come and live in their so-called holy land without military enforcement nor getting payed by other countries to buy lands from the people who lived there.

want more?

#152 to #113 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
1) Have you seen any history of the Jews? The only innocent people being massacred are them.

2) Fighting other nations? Well, yeah, when everyone around you is attacking you, it would make sense to fight back.

3) You mean like what's happened to them for all of history? And the only time they kicked people out was after a civil war that was started to kick them out, which they won.

4) Are you retarded? From day one they've been under attack from everyone around them, so what the **** do you think would happen if they had no military? And I'm pretty sure if they're buying the land then the people they're buying it from are selling it willingly.

Please, provide more for us to dissect.
#130 to #113 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Let me explain this to you: Your words aren't facts. They are how percieve facts. You posted diffuse claims, not facts. Get it straight.


Dates, areas, sides involved, sources. Once you have those in order, this might turn into a debate.
#142 to #130 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Look, all the sources are in the Arabic language, mainly because the rest of the world try to hide the facts. Mainly, that's why I am on my own, trying to debate with the lot of you over this .
#191 to #142 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
I lied, I'm going to post one more, because this possibly the stupidest thing you've said.

Of course, the entire rest of the world, the people who can look at this in the most impartial manner, are the ones who are hiding the truth, rather than the people who are directly involved and have the most stake in making their people believe their propaganda.

Seriously?
#209 to #191 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
You made your point. I loled, and he enforced it. Let him play with his bomb-belt in peace. He's made it clear how small his mind is.
#197 to #191 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
If I am to search for information about this in English for example,
it would be in the last last last search pages because of the world's propaganda against us -.-
#161 to #142 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
So.. You can offer no facts? You're syrian, hating on Israel, and you blame us for not agreeing with you? When Syria have a long lasting hate relationship with Israel.. Yeah, we're ******* morons for not just trusting you blindly.


#165 to #161 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Hey, I only listed my facts and I didn't hate blindly.
Nobody called you morons I respect every bodies' opinions.
#172 to #165 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Unless you're simply a blind fool, you're a victim to your own people's propaganda. I suggest you open your eyes, and seek information that isn't in arab. Seek information that isn't biased. Maybe then you will be enlightened.
#176 to #172 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
My good man, I beg the same happens to you.
inb4 we're speaking of this when present-day Syria is...
you know :S
#181 to #176 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
I do not pose groundless claims without being able to back them up. I have my facts straight, I have my sources. You allready admitted that you do not when I asked for them. Reversing the argument only shows that you want the easy route. You want to be right.

Wallow in your ignorance. It's nobodys fault but your own.
#184 to #181 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
<--- What you're being right now.
#127 to #113 - Marker
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(04/07/2012) [-]
You really are a biased idiot aren't you?
"Massacring innocent people" - provide proof, because we sure as hell haven't
"Fighting other nations" - That they started, thank you very much.
"Kicking people out of their homes" - The Jews have no problem with who lives in Israel, if anything, we've been kicked out of every other damn country we've been in except the US.
And that last statement made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm not even going to waste my time picking that one apart.
#93 to #86 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
No, but Israel existed for a very long time before that. The Jews were, as I said, pushed out of their homeland by the Romans. All they've done is come back to claim it.

And yes, the fact that you originally told me that you're base of knowledge came from the fact that you're Syrian and your people have lost land in wars means you are biased. Nothing I can say will sway your opinion.
#95 to #93 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
To prove my point and invalidate yours "of my biasing", if Israel wanted to go back to their land, why have war with neighboring countries? Why kick out the Palestinian people out of THEIR homes? Why Europe and USA help them in the war?
#148 to #95 - apocalypseboyz
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(04/07/2012) [-]
A.) The Jew never kicked Palestinian people out of there homes. They offered to buy the land, many of which were accepted. Others left due to muslim leaders falsely saying the jews would kill them all. Only time when anyone was ''kicked out" was when they took the money, then refused to leave. And people say Jews are greedy.
B.) Israel has put forward many offers for a two-state system, all of which were rejected by the Palestinian and muslim authorities.
C.) Isreal has never started a war. The closest they had to that was a premature strike due to Syria and Egypt building their armies and Mossad moles finding evidence of war plans.
D.) The "Massacre" You are referring to (which I can't remember the name of sadly) is the accidential killing of 32 (37 in some sources) civilians in a military offensive in a village which Hamas terrorist were using as a base. All efforts were made to limit civilian casualties, but do to them being used as body shields by high-ranking muslim terrorists, they did happen. A full, impartial investigation was launched and those who were suspected of intentional killing were removed from military.
E.) 33% of the Israel Government is composed of Palestinians. So contrary to some opinions, Palestinians are not second-hand citizens in Israel.

I do not expect you to believe me. But I do hope that you and others will.


#112 to #95 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
They DID go back to their land. But they've been kicked around the rest of the world for so long that the rest of the Middle East, a region not known for its stability, has laid claim to it.

Ever since, most of the Middle East has been ganging up on them in an ongoing conflict. If you think they're the ones starting the wars, you need to look at it logically. Why the hell would a small country purposely go to war with everyone around them?

The entire reason the Jewish people took control of the land was a civil war, which started with Arabs trying to murder off the Jewish Holocaust survivors who had moved to Palestine. But then the Arabs got their asses handed to them, so they fled.

Right after that, five Middle Eastern countries decided to gang up on them. They got their asses handed to them, too. And yes, the US is their primary ally. And the only assistance they've given them is supplies and military equipment. They don't need US military support to win their battles.


#121 to #112 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
USA and Britain only helped them to get rid of them and to unsettle the middle east because it is a very focal, strategic, and important point in the world !
On the Israeli government buildings is written" Your land, Israel, is from the Euphrates to the Nile"
they want to control the whole region!
#144 to #121 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Groundless statements.
#134 to #121 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
No, they don't. They haven't started a single war. Every conflict Israel has been in has been started by someone else.

You're not looking at this impartially at all.


#91 to #86 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
plus I have no grudges on Jewish people, only on Israeli people. But if I meet one I won't take a stand before a prolonged conversation with them.
#123 to #91 - medx
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(04/07/2012) [-]
because in 1967 during the 6 days war jordan, egypt, and syria were putting pressure on Israel. They made a preemptive strike and occupied the gaza strip, west bank and golan heights. Primary concerns were defense and showing they won't be boxed in. The golan Heights is a valuable mountain range in terms of defense. you are just butt hurt they took your land 40+ years ago. which aided in defeating syria again in 1973 when they attacked Israel. Israel occupancy of this land is UN sanctioned and has UN bases in between these boarders.
#147 to #123 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Can you please tell me who started the 1967 war!?

tip
it was Israel.
#160 to #147 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Egypt did, followed by a joint surprise attack in 1973 by Syria and Egypt on a Jewish holy day. And yet, Syria and Egypt still got beaten.
#168 to #160 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
The 1973 war was an attempt to get back what Israel took from us in the 1967 and we were very close until the Egyptian president chickened out and signed a peace treaty that binded his country with unfair deals with Israel and Syria continued the war on its own.
#178 to #168 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Also, the Egyptian president didn't chicken out; he died.
#177 to #168 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
You mean Israel's preemptive strike against the massing Egyptian forces, in which they took the Sinai region in the Six Day War? Yeah, they conquered that area pretty rightfully.
#180 to #177 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Preemptive, eh?
Pretty rightfully? How so if its Egyptian.
He signed the treaty then after the war he was assaulted.
Then why don't we take a "preemptive" stand and cooperate with Iran, Hezbullah, and other allies and finish off Israel?
#186 to #180 - dwraith
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Preemptive because the Egyptians and their allies were about to attack Israel. Israel decided to strike first. And the Egyptians lost it in a war, which, if you actually knew anything about history, you might realize is a pretty common outcome in wars.

And I don't know what you mean by assaulted, since he died of a heart attack.

And your idea of a preemptive stand is outright war, not anywhere close to what the Israel people did. You clearly know nothing of history except whatever bias is inherent in your culture. I'm done with this.

Kudos for not making this a religious argument, though.
#194 to #186 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
oh lets just stop commenting

its a fruitless argument
and Anwar al Sadat was assaulted, not natural death "assaulted by unknown"
and I didn't even mention the three-pronged attack on Egypt which was
Britain + Israel + France on Egypt

nor we mentioned the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006 which they ultimately lost

**** this ****, countless wars , one causer ;
Israel.
#156 to #147 - medx
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(04/07/2012) [-]
learn to read. I said that already.

This guy is hopeless. Go play with a bomb vest please
#164 to #156 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Israel started the war.

The beginning was by bombing the Egyptian airports with their planes, and it ended with Israel getting hold of The West Bank, Sinai, and Golan "which is Syrian".

The 1967 was a disaster for Arab nations involved, check your information.
#167 to #164 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Israel launched an pre-emptive strike yes. Or are you going to suggest the troops gathered by egypt and syria were just having a joint-operation picnic?
#98 to #91 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
You're of course right. When people fire at you, you shouldn't fire back. That's being a warmonger. You should watch your people die around you. It's only right.
#105 to #98 - potatoace
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Sorry, I didn't completely understand your statement.
#109 to #105 - jagm
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(04/07/2012) [-]
Israel defends itself. They have used too much firepower in the past (that's my opinion atleast). And yes, some areas need to be relieved from the hold of Israel. But that's how war works. People attack, you defend, if you manage to push them back, you establish a new frontier, so your people will be safe.



Israel has been under attack since it was established. They have every right to be there, so I salute them for defending themselves.