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#631 to #48 - Womens Study Major (04/02/2012) [-]
Pearl Harbor was an attack before we were even at war with Japan, and it killed civilians. The 2 nukes we launched were used during war time in an effort to stop a war and prevent millions of more deaths that would have came from invasions and it attacked military bases, although civilians did die as well. Tsuanmi Jokes? Jokes? What the **** are we 12?
User avatar #355 to #48 - meganinja (04/02/2012) [-]
I haven't seen any Tsunami jokes, and if there are some that i'm missing, how do you know they're from Americans?
#343 to #48 - sjhftw (04/02/2012) [-]
I ******* hate that picture, let me tell you why.
1. Japan bombed us first - nuking was pure retaliation
2. We don't forgive them because they were the ones going ******* and bombing us.
3. We are the U.S, we go to the ******* aid of every country with a natural disaster. We helped them when they got hit.
#668 to #343 - bosskiss (04/02/2012) [-]
The funny in your post makes me giggle   
1. Japan bombed military facility/base, we bombed a city full of civilians    
2. We don't forgive them because they were the ones going 						*******					 and bombing us.    
[Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam]   
3. We are the U.S, we go to the 						*******					 aid of every country with a natural disaster. We helped them when they got hit. so we can get oil and treasure's also it can help the personal agenda    
4.we have a debt of 15.593.
			
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		[which doesn't helps the economy]
The funny in your post makes me giggle
1. Japan bombed military facility/base, we bombed a city full of civilians
2. We don't forgive them because they were the ones going ******* and bombing us.
[Iraq,Afghanistan,Vietnam]
3. We are the U.S, we go to the ******* aid of every country with a natural disaster. We helped them when they got hit. so we can get oil and treasure's also it can help the personal agenda
4.we have a debt of 15.593. You need to login to view this link [which doesn't helps the economy]
#199 to #48 - Womens Study Major (04/01/2012) [-]
Honestly I believe Truman made the right call. After seeing what went down at Okinawa and Iwo Jima, Japan was willing to fight us at any cost. Deaths would have been higher if we simply fought our way into japan instead. Not saying I support people being killed but...
User avatar #290 to #199 - profarnsworth (04/02/2012) [-]
While you have a point about trying to fight our way into japan i don't think dropping the A-Bomb was the best choice, just the easiest. Also dropping a bomb of that magnitude on civilians was a little overboard, plus we didn't need to drop the second one. In the end i think everyone was tired of the war and Truman saw an easy way to finally finish it even at the expense of thousands of civilians
User avatar #370 to #290 - aerozer (04/02/2012) [-]
Are you serious? You honestly think that we didnt need to drop a second bomb? We were hurting the civilians? Japan refused to surrender after the first bomb was dropped, thinking that we didnt have any more of them! Yes we did kill a total of around 150,000 people, but the japanese were a proud nation. They would sooner kill themselves than surrender. Litteraly throusands of civilians killed themselvs. Before you go on a ranting about how bad americans are, do some research. Oh and if you think that i'm an American hick that made this all up, think again. I'm Russian.
User avatar #791 to #370 - TheMightyHutch (04/02/2012) [-]
Well, it's none of your business then ffs.
User avatar #392 to #370 - profarnsworth (04/02/2012) [-]
First off i am very serious. Second i am a History Major so i can comfortably say i know what the **** im talking about. Now finally to my reasoning. First off. The war was virtually over by 1945. Germany was defeated, Italy had surrendered ages ago and the only one left fighting was Japan. Second, during the course of the pacific campaign the Japanese fought hard and rarely gave an inch even if they had one man left. However the US had taken over every surrounding island and had a very large naval fleet ready to move in to attack Japan. However with the advances of the Manhattan project truman saw an easy way out and a way to effectively test the destructive power of the atomic bomb.

Now for your rebuttals. You say you are Russian yet you constantly refer to the United States as "We" so either you are a liar who is trying to cover your tracks or you just wish you were American. In Fact I as in ME am an American, born and living in AMERICA so you can stop your butt hurt thinking that i am from another country. Second, in any war there are always going to be civilians who will attack troops, however that does not give the US the right to use a bomb of that magnitude TWICE on civilian cities. Killing OVER 200,000 people not to mention all the problems caused later on by the remaining radiation. Finally your final claim that japan refused to surrender? Where did you read this wikipedia? why don't you actually do some research. It is not that they didn't think we had any more bombs its that they didn't know what happend to hiroshima (all lines of communication was cut off due to the dropping of the bomb) so they thought the Americans were bluffing. Finally we gave Japan 3 days. 3 DAYS before we dropped the next bomb. Thats not really enough time to give them a chance to figure out what exactly happened and then discuss what actions they should take. The US saw a chance to test out the effectiveness of their bombs and did. Why dont you do some research ass clown
User avatar #867 to #392 - aerozer (04/03/2012) [-]
First and foremost, i was born in Russia, but live in the united states. Dont start jumping to conclusions before you know who i actually am. Second, I do not get my information off of wikipedia. I have read literally countless books on the history and structure of nuclear weapons. I admit that some do say that japan did not get the message about the bombing before the united states bombed japan, however a large majority stated that japan refused to surrender, remember that college professors are not always accurate or honest. yes, 150000 people was a typo, i meant to put 250000, my previous statement was inaccurate. But honestly, we did not have the "right" to do it? It was a quick way out? We needed a quick way to end the war so nobody would try to help japan (nobody has ever said that, but it could have very well happened). However I think that killing 250000 people was a small cost to pay. The war had taken over 50 million lives. I think that we had the right to do whatever we damn well pleased, especially when you compare it to other nations like germany that killed nearly 20 million people. Pherhaps you should do some research yourself before believing everything that you hear.
User avatar #868 to #867 - profarnsworth (04/03/2012) [-]
Seriously? Other nations were going to come to Japans aid? Please tell me who? This has got to be the greatest idea i have ever heard. Did you not comprehend what i wrote before? The reason nobody has ever said that it was possible for another country to come to Japans aid is because no one was stupid enough to do it! The world saw that the war was over, Japan knew the war was over, they were just to stubborn to give up right away (like you stated they didnt want to surrender, however they could no nothing but sit there). They didn't want to be defeated, instead they would have rather had a truce with the U.S. which is why they didn't go surrender. Like i said before i am a history major so that means i have read countless HISTORY books about world war II. Not just heard professors lecture about it, but actually read books from both sides of the war and from many different view points. Sure there are some who think that the bombing was necessary. However if you actually do some research instead of just claiming you did research you would know that a majority of historians (American including) think that the bombing went to far. The war was over, Japan was essentially defeated and all they could do was surrender. They had military bases left in the Pacific besides their own so they were useless. We had one of the largest naval fleets in the pacific islands making sure they would not be able to do a damn thing. They had no choice but to surrender, we were just tired of having our troops and men in foreign lands sitting there waiting for the Japanese to finally admit defeat. We were wasting so much money just having our guys stationed there that it was easier to just bomb the **** out of them and end it. Plain and simple everyone was tired of Japan still believing they had not lost.

Granted there were millions of people killed during the war but in all honesty the war was over, there was no more fighting going on anywhere, there was no need for the bombs.
User avatar #871 to #868 - aerozer (04/04/2012) [-]
Once again you argue that I did not do research. I'm sorry but I cant reply to your posts anymore. you dont listen, rather make up false conclusions that i specifically tell you happened. Just because you go to college does not make you smart. Reply when you learn how to debate, or at least fix your stupidity.
User avatar #872 to #871 - profarnsworth (04/04/2012) [-]
I don't listen because your arguments are terrible. They are all ignorant assumptions that are not well thought out or even well researched. Guy you can say you researched all you want, but honestly i have read hundreds of articles and books from credible sources and authors who are well known and well respected in the historical field. Your arguments are like saying aliens are going to come to the earth and enslave the human race. While outrageously possible there is no conclusive evidence to give reason to think it could happen.

In all honesty guy i never said i was smart, but compared to you i am. You're telling me to learn how to debate yet you are the one who needs to learn how to debate. I took all of your arguments and considered them, i then provided you with reasons why they were wrong. Second i gave my well thought out, well elaborated, clear and precise arguments with details and facts that support my reasoning. You on the other hand did none of that. All of your arguments are based on what you think. You did not give any information to back your arguments, you did not give strong arguments, and you completely ignored all of my arguments. Kid, yes im going to call you Kid (because the way you have gone about this and the way you sound it really makes me think you are just a kid.), i do not claim to know exactly everything that went on in WWII because i was not there. However i have done a great amount of research on WWII and taken multiple classes about WWII writing many papers and doing many presentations. For all we know we both could be wrong, but my arguments are supported by facts given by many well known and published historians. Your facts and arguments were terrible, however you are entitled to your opinion. You can continue to think that we had reason to drop the bombs, i will continue to think that we did not have reason. Yet neither of us will really know the full reasoning behind dropping the bombs since we were not the ones to authorize it.
#568 to #392 - Womens Study Major (04/02/2012) [-]
Its true that the united states was trying to test out the power, but the U.S. did not initially intend to attack the civilians. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had strategically valuable resources such as shipbuilding and a military bases. Before they even dropped the bomb they sent out fliers to citizens in those cities via plane drop offs which means that they were trying to warn the citizens to get out. And Japan didn't surrender because there was a standstill with their government. Half wanted to drag the war into a war of attrition just like in Vietnam and our own revolutionary war. So the bombs were actually necessary in ending the war

#111 to #48 - typicalmiracle (04/01/2012) [-]
Goddamn you people cannot be any more retarded can you?
User avatar #67 to #48 - Hydrocircuit (04/01/2012) [-]
You have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE all the war crimes Japan committed do you? You just have no ******* idea, you think they bombed just one place? They bombed all our bases in the pacific thinking we would just give up! But yeah, go about your day thinking "Silly America!" Douche.
#283 to #67 - hypocriticalhippo (04/02/2012) [-]
Let's not forget the fact that we placed an oil embargo on Japan and they were literally forced to attack us.
Let's not forget the fact that we placed an oil embargo on Japan and they were literally forced to attack us.
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#300 to #291 - hypocriticalhippo (04/02/2012) [-]
Yeah. There's an overwhelming amount of stupidity in this nation... i want to leave
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#122 to #67 - gameandwatched (04/01/2012) [-]
Saying "Japan" did that and "America" did this is like a gang war for ten year olds. In the end it was neither Japan nor America, but simply the people that controlled it at the time. The world has changed, but more importantly people have changed, and reliving the past in such petty ways can only relive the ones in powers foresight of war when the war has long gone.
Saying "Japan" did that and "America" did this is like a gang war for ten year olds. In the end it was neither Japan nor America, but simply the people that controlled it at the time. The world has changed, but more importantly people have changed, and reliving the past in such petty ways can only relive the ones in powers foresight of war when the war has long gone.

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User avatar #182 to #150 - gameandwatched (04/01/2012) [-]
Sorry, uncle dolans changed the colours of text again so you'll have to mouse over my comment.
#179 to #150 - gameandwatched (04/01/2012) [-]
Thank you, but i think you're missing the point. What i'm saying is people shouldn't remain completely loyal to a country for say, it's like being in a gang in some respects. We make the gangs losses our own losses as we do with other gangs. In the end we are just people, probably born into this world after the war. This was our grand parents or parents fight, and just because we come from the same place doesn't mean we should carry it on at all or act like its our own past.   
   
Just my two cents on the matter anyway.
Thank you, but i think you're missing the point. What i'm saying is people shouldn't remain completely loyal to a country for say, it's like being in a gang in some respects. We make the gangs losses our own losses as we do with other gangs. In the end we are just people, probably born into this world after the war. This was our grand parents or parents fight, and just because we come from the same place doesn't mean we should carry it on at all or act like its our own past.

Just my two cents on the matter anyway.
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User avatar #203 to #191 - gameandwatched (04/01/2012) [-]
I feel rather nervous around modern fighting, it doesn't seem to be the classical good vs bad any more and there are a lot of polotics involved which i don't like one bit.

Still, in the end there is always some bad in amongst it and people need to combat it and it is still quite sad when someone dies on the battlefield, i just wish there was a way of peacefully combating it.
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User avatar #60 to #48 - zanderaw (04/01/2012) [-]
Yeah, tsunami jokes and billions in foreign aid.
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