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there is no God

There is no god, and than we
simile truth. It even Irage of
any sinle relgion were
mined out and nothing were
Basset! " It would never be
created exactly that wall
again. There might he some
other nonsense in Its time.
but not that exact nonsense. It
all oi Manse were lelellele out
tattie still he true and
someone would lino a may to
more it all out attain.
Penn Matte
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#1 - drdres
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(03/26/2012) [-]
Inb4 *********.
#21 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/26/2012) [-]
Well, the problem here is we all go on the assumption that he is right. The problem is it hasn't happened, so you can't follow that assumption. If a religion was correct, then after every trace was removed, through some miracle, one would assume that the religion would be rediscovered or reinvented in some fashion. That is the flaw in his logic; and it boils back down to a matter of faith. He can't PROVE that the same things wouldn't be discovered in the right religion, just how he can't disprove religion or make a sound argument about why it doesn't exist. Kind of ironic that the hole in an Atheist's logic is because he can't prove something, he just blindly assumes and has faith that what he believes would happen is correct.
#22 to #21 - keggut **User deleted account**
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#23 to #22 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/26/2012) [-]
Got it; you don't listen to logic. There are smart people on both sides, get over it.
#25 to #23 - keggut **User deleted account**
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#26 to #25 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/26/2012) [-]
To be fair; I am. You've offered no argument to what I'm saying, just silly pictures and snide comments that really just prove what I said, rather than disprove it.
#28 to #26 - keggut **User deleted account**
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#30 to #28 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/27/2012) [-]
You do know you used that analogy wrong, right? I in no way,shape, or form have done anything the same as you have and then continued to deny that I've done it.
#33 to #30 - keggut **User deleted account**
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#34 to #33 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/27/2012) [-]
But I admitted that I was, and that STILL isn't the right way to use the analogy. It would have to be me calling YOU self righteous, while I myself was being self righteous.
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#37 to #21 - anon
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(03/27/2012) [-]
What Penn is getting at is kinda simple, and I'm not sure you got the entire point. He is pointing out the amount of physical and measurable evidence between science, and religion.

You are right, you can't disprove religion...that really isn't what he is going for in this quote.

But with the lack of physical evidence for religion it is hard to imagine that humans would come up with the exact same faith, if it simply disappeared. To someone who has faith, this is a moot point because they would have faith that somehow they would formulate the exact same religion.

On the contrary if science was wiped out. Since science is based off of physical evidence, the physical evidence would still exist. It just means that people have to rediscover all the physical evidence and prove what was proven with science.

Penn wouldn't be foolish enough to say with a certainty that religion is a complete lie, he is a skeptic which means he is more apt to believe in there not being a god.

-Anon
#469 to #37 - geraldbostock
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Even if we assume that religion wouldn't be recreated in the same way, it doesn't say anything of the existence of God. If God does exist, it is independent of religion, so the entire argument is invalid.
#41 to #37 - sorrowofdaedalus
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(03/27/2012) [-]
I right this reply knowing that you have no way of knowing I've replied, that said, this isn't for the sake of argument, just to clarify my own point.

The whole thesis of religion is something that can't be proven, and while it is true that science CAN be proven, I'd have to say that is largely due to while the science we have discovered is but a small, tiny, less than microscopic portion of what there is to unwravel about the universe, Religion is an attempt at looking at the big picture, and solving the very core of all science: Where, how, and why did it start?
That said, it is much easier to argue such a thing, the problem is that he needs to hold the same standard throughout, even in a metaphorical situation. He can't follow the assumption that religion is wrong to prove his point, because otherwise that is a twist of logic veering towards his own view. The only way to truly disprove something through the step by step logic channel process, is to immediately assume that all givens are correct initially, and slowly they are picked apart by your logical "this is why this CAN'T be true", yet here we see that Penn follows his channels starting with the assumption that Religion is false, and that there would be no definable evidence if it were wiped out, in other words, his own view. To truly disprove something through logic, you must use the opposing view, NOT your own.
#472 to #21 - pastelink
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(03/27/2012) [-]
The quote is about how man will always try to explain what the **** is happening around them. Whether it be by scientific or superstitious insight. This is seen throughout history and is continuing today. It's also a statement on science being factual. If for some reason, we forgot everything we knew about gravity or the theory of relativity, given enough time, we would figure all that out once again because it is something objectively and demonstrably true. Although if a religion were to be wiped out for some reason, the only way for it to emerge again would be if it were actually true to begin with. However the claims it makes are not verifiable or demonstrable, so there's just no way for us to ever say for certain that a particular religion is true.

Also, referring to your comment on an Atheists logic, the burden of proof isn't on the person rejecting the claim. There's no faith required in rejecting a claim that doesn't meet ones standard of evidence.
#425 to #21 - glasgowrangers
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(03/27/2012) [-]
well hundreds of religions have been abandoned and never came back

There were lots of religions before Islam and Christianity. Wouldn't it be logical to assume God would have created one of the first religions?
#240 - brutusantony
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(03/27/2012) [-]
#258 to #240 - anon
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Nobody is forcing you to read this. Nobody is walking door-to-door to ask you for 10 minutes of your time to tell you that everything you believe is ********. You have the choice to accept this as a logical argument or not, right? So saying someone is shoving their beliefs on you is asinine.
#263 to #258 - brutusantony
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(03/27/2012) [-]
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#278 to #263 - anon
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(03/27/2012) [-]
You don't like any rebuke to your "arguments", do you? You aren't even trying.
#287 to #278 - brutusantony
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(03/27/2012) [-]
no i actually love a good debate :D i am just confused on one part..i never did say that anyone was forcing anything down my throat?
#291 to #287 - anon
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(03/27/2012) [-]
That's exactly what the picture says, so I take it that you don't even understand what you're posting.
#294 to #291 - brutusantony
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(03/27/2012) [-]
nonono...reread it...."please, continue to lecture me on how I'm (notice it says I) shoving my beliefs down your throat." i do believe you misread it :)
#182 - I Am Monkey
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Penn Jillette is an outspoken atheist, but he always says to not force it on others.

I don't know why you people insist on constantly posting things like this on a comedy site.
#204 to #182 - extremistavenger
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(03/27/2012) [-]
You know what Penn would say about this post?

"Shut the **** up." Whenever somebody decides to be a dick about their beliefs and shoving it down everyone else's throats, that's when unnecessary trouble fires off between everyone.
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#327 - hockeykicksass ONLINE
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(03/27/2012) [-]
#2 - wackywelder
Reply +14
(03/26/2012) [-]
This is funny how?
#3 to #2 - Paranoid Sniper
Reply +2
(03/26/2012) [-]
welcome to funnyjunk, where most users bash the **** out of religion and cry when ever someone does otherwise.
#31 - shadythomas
Reply +12
(03/27/2012) [-]
Please... I come here to LAUGH. It's called FUNNYjunk for a reason. Enough of these arrogant posts that just end up creating **********.
Please... I come here to LAUGH. It's called FUNNYjunk for a reason. Enough of these arrogant posts that just end up creating **********.
#166 to #31 - extremistavenger
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(03/27/2012) [-]
I feel your pain, dude.
I feel your pain, dude.
#400 - lolmonade
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Hay look, if that quotation is true then this guy is one of the idiots!
#431 to #400 - chrisfloyd
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(03/27/2012) [-]
fix'd
#48 - griffguy
Reply +10
(03/27/2012) [-]
funnyjunk
#66 to #48 - crackbabymatt
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Tis but a legend now.
#124 - latinotornado
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(03/27/2012) [-]
Im a christian and this is MFW i see anti-religion posts.
Im a christian and this is MFW i see anti-religion posts.
#131 to #124 - masterquester
Reply +1
(03/27/2012) [-]
OLAWD SAME.