a prison in europe. .. a dorm room in america
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#69 - jrook (11/30/2011) [-]
a dorm room in america
User avatar #123 to #69 - bananaananas (11/30/2011) [-]
User avatar #72 to #69 - manofparody ONLINE (11/30/2011) [-]
actually.. my dorm room was twice that size with 3 bunk beds and a row of lockers at the other end. living with 5 other people is not the funnest thing.
#85 to #72 - xanjr (11/30/2011) [-]
dont kill the joke
dont kill the joke
#148 to #72 - jrook (11/30/2011) [-]
actually mine has one other bed in it. Same space two people one desk.
#43 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
What is it with Americans, you always speak of Europe as though it's a single country with a single series of traditions, values and concepts. This prison is in Scandinavia, Sweden or Norway I believe, the Nordics are very, very Liberal in terms of prison sentences and punishment. Try a prison in Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania . . .
#56 to #43 - vaskaduzea (11/30/2011) [-]
lol prisons in serbia , they are most ********* , i have a friend that got 1 year for marihuana and he says its awful :)
User avatar #58 to #43 - galvanize (11/30/2011) [-]
same **** , lolz you have it easy...
User avatar #129 to #43 - purpleprince (11/30/2011) [-]
Your forgot Denmark, they are also a part of Scandinavia.
User avatar #50 to #43 - omeglepwner (11/30/2011) [-]
england isnt quite as strict as romania but it aint lenient, we have a prison called strangeways.. that says it all!
#51 to #50 - Aftershock (11/30/2011) [-]
Haha, I grew up in Africa. Try out a prison there!
User avatar #61 to #51 - spacegrim (11/30/2011) [-]
They HAVE prisons?... wait, they have LAWS?
#57 to #43 - mattythebeaver (11/30/2011) [-]
Nordic you say?
#45 to #43 - raulito (11/30/2011) [-]
This is a prison cell in Norway. ( **** Logic) And technically America is also not a country. The US is.
#77 to #45 - epicuz (11/30/2011) [-]
that's certanly not a prison cell in norway. that's the kings bed or something.
#53 to #45 - kutso (11/30/2011) [-]
Right, America is not a country. But what do you call people from the U.S?
#54 to #53 - Frobias (11/30/2011) [-]
fat, illiterate, or inbred?
#55 to #54 - kutso (11/30/2011) [-]
Touché, my friend. Touché.
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#76 to #45 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
The demonym for someone from the United States of America was 'American' last time I checked.
#33 - JordanJwoww (11/30/2011) [-]
looks like my dorm room...
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#34 to #33 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
mine too....
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User avatar #84 - nerdrage ONLINE (11/30/2011) [-]
Norwegian prisoners live better then a rich Somalian family
#49 - hellwain (11/30/2011) [-]
thats actualy a cell in norway ( oslo)
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User avatar #24 - rubanman (11/30/2011) [-]
no ****** way, that damn cell is nicer than my college dorm room
#29 to #24 - maremannen (11/30/2011) [-]
its true, its a picture from norway, where i live
User avatar #152 to #29 - rubanman (11/30/2011) [-]
well **** . murder gets a long prison sentence in norway, too, right?
#156 to #152 - maremannen (12/01/2011) [-]
a guy killed 80 people here. he just have to be in jail in 20 years
User avatar #27 - theldrassius (11/30/2011) [-]
We don't punish crime, we treat it.

-Intelligent people
#102 - buttfranklin (11/30/2011) [-]
It's a pleasant environment because Europe follows a system of what is known as the 'positivist school of criminology', which is based around treatment and rehabilitation of the offender; rather than the outdated and barbaric 'classicist theory' which is simply based around retribution and punishment for the offence.

Does it work? Compare the crime rates in Norway to those in America.
User avatar #120 to #102 - Dropkicksxxx (11/30/2011) [-]
True sir, it seems that you folk across the ocean are very humanitarian, while we just like tp punish punish punish, why not take a small time criminal and make them into a hardend criminal, I hat ehow my country is ran haha, ****
#133 to #102 - XThePhantomX (11/30/2011) [-]
Good on ya mate
#118 to #102 - digestivebiscuit (11/30/2011) [-]
Rapists in England are frequently let out early to repeat their offenses.
Jon Venables commited one of the most attrocious crimes in our history (he and a friend horrifically tortured a two year old boy to death when they were ten) and when released was soon imprisoned again for downloading child pornography.
And you want to talk crime rates? Norway has a generally secluded population of of under 5 million while America has more than 300 million people, with over 80% of them living in urban environments. It only takes a glance at statistics to know that crime rates soar in cities - especially larger ones - for a multitude of reasons.
There is no control to compare your claims with, so you can't conclude that the correlation is casuality.
#143 to #118 - buttfranklin (11/30/2011) [-]
Of course you can get nutjobs like Venables (And Anders Behring Breivik) that can pop up anywhere, but you can't judge a system by a selection of failures alone. Some people are just dicks, but that doesn't mean the system is ineffective.

And yeah - Norway has a lot of other factors going for it that reduce the crime rate, but there are many other countries with a similar population size and distribution with significantly greater crime rates, like (google, google) Turkmenistan.

Much higher rate of offending over there. Yeah, it's a less wealthy country, but if wealth was the solution to crime, the USA would be nowhere near the top of the crime scoreboard.

The justice system undeniably plays a large part in crime rates, especially in regard to repeat offending.

Wait, this isn't college. What the **** am I writing?
#153 to #143 - digestivebiscuit (11/30/2011) [-]
You've completely misinterpreted my point, I stated that Venables was released and reoffended. I don't like to use extreme examples since they usually skew the argument, but this is actually relevant - an obviously sadistic and twisted man was released onto the general public and reoffended - whereas Breivik was not subjected to any measures of punishment or rehabilitation to prevent him from commiting his atrocities, so his actions are not any representation of the justice system.

Turkmenistan and these other high crime countries owe their crime rates to many other factors - lack of a stable government, corruption, ethnic tensions, drugs, lack of education etc. - and the justice system is quite irrelevant in these extreme circumstances.

I'm sorry if I seem aggressive, I just hate the fact that weak jail sentences leave the general public at risk to monsters. Jail should primarily be a place to keep dangerous people who would harm the rest of the populace until they are fit to rejoin society, and if prison is soft then there's not much incentive to obey the law when they leave. However I definately see your point and agree that rehabilitation is important, but it can't be used on its own just as punishment can't be used on its own too. A middle ground is the way to rehabilitate criminals - both the carrot and the stick are needed.
User avatar #128 - stfuitspedobear (11/30/2011) [-]
I seriously thought the joke was that rooms at University are like this and it's like a prison sometimes. I can't believe I'm paying for this room and some rapist gets it for free. Time for a career change?
#31 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
In Finland the maximum amount of prison time you can get is 12 years :D, welcome murderers
#38 to #31 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
Don´t forget, you can also get vacation to outside, videogames in prison, make job and earn more money than prison guardian.

And drink bear in wrong place can get 2 years prison, but raping many years to little child, you can pay fines and not go to prison.
#67 to #38 - vepevellu (11/30/2011) [-]
The maximum you can get is forever (elinkautinen). Everybody usualy gets freed by the president or the 2 degree of court (hovi-oikeus) after 12 years. There are inmates that have had to suffer up to sixteen years (jammu-setä).
#65 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
We take way too good care of our criminals. We even give them money, no **** .
User avatar #89 to #65 - sutrakama (11/30/2011) [-]
Just as us here in Sweden...
User avatar #91 to #89 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
Strange, isn't it?
User avatar #93 to #91 - sutrakama (11/30/2011) [-]
Yeah! But even if we had rough deserving prisons, at least in Sweden, we only give criminals like 8 years for murder... O.o
User avatar #97 to #93 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
I'm not sure what we give o.o I think life-time should be a valid punishment though.
User avatar #98 to #97 - sutrakama (11/30/2011) [-]
#138 to #65 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
Same thing in Finland. Damn, Nordics law sucks hard D8
User avatar #141 to #138 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
I like that we're idealist, but it's kinda getting exploited by immigrants :/
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#92 to #79 - okh (11/30/2011) [-]
We hate you too, ******** . :)
User avatar #87 to #79 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
Why is that?
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User avatar #154 to #145 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
Well, if you define lifetime in the looneybin as "luxury" then I guess there's no help in it. Norwegians are idealist by nature.
#74 to #65 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
I wish there would be an exception

******* deleting the picture after I upload it, don't want anything to do with that guy...
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User avatar #155 to #146 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
Do you think a death sentence will change the fact? I agree that he gets too much, but I'd much rather have him treated so we can understand how to deal with these people than to see the man rot in prison with total disregard for his victims.
User avatar #88 to #74 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
I guess I could see that, but I still believe in rehabilitation and therapy. To the nuthouse with him for life, I say.
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User avatar #90 to #73 - arianadeathwish (11/30/2011) [-]
Luckily, no. He's gonna be sent to a looneyhouse for life.
#80 to #73 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
Well, that guy is going to a mental institution.
He was so pissed when he heard it !

#122 - digestivebiscuit (11/30/2011) [-]
In England criminals are often allowed TVs and games consoles. We have one of the highest reoffending rates of criminals in the world. Also deported criminals very often return - just a few months ago an Eritrean murdered his ex girlfriend by throwing her off a bridge in Coventry. He was deported three times.
User avatar #116 - baconinthemakin (11/30/2011) [-]
Am i the only one who hates it when americans speak of "Europe" and thnking that every country is the same ? I don't see many common points betwen Germany, Lithuania, Slovenia and France for example. By that logic, I could say that the U.S. , Canada and Peru have the same standards of living simply by speaking of America (North and South).
User avatar #124 to #116 - stifpif (11/30/2011) [-]
It would be nice if every country over here would be like Germany really..
#151 to #124 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
Yep! Germany is Awesome!
User avatar #130 to #124 - indubitablelogic (11/30/2011) [-]
Nicer if everything was Welsh, we'd have humour added to the mix then as well.
User avatar #125 to #116 - Citrusabc (11/30/2011) [-]
Wow, where did you find Slovenia :D ?
Never knew someone would mention it :P
#132 to #125 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
i live in europe and ive never heard of slovenia
User avatar #134 to #132 - hubbub (11/30/2011) [-]
User avatar #149 to #125 - baconinthemakin (11/30/2011) [-]
They were just examples, i thought of random countries. I myself am Romanian and there aren't many people who know zhere it is...
User avatar #121 to #116 - bananaananas (11/30/2011) [-]
america.. strange country..
#19 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
Yeah, this is the norweigan prison (of course not all prisons in Norway are like this). This exact prison has maybe the lowest rate of criminals doing crimes again after getting free in the whole world.

Some say that punishment is punishment, but if not giving one to a murderer saves some lives I'm totally okay with it. And it is kind of punishment still, I mean they are not free, need to be in the same building all the time, they get bored and start studying and become good taxpaying citizens.

Actually, you might argue whether the idea of prison is just the punishment, or guarantee that criminal wont do the crime again...
#3 - nickfranceagain (11/29/2011) [-]
**nickfranceagain rolled a random image posted at comment #135 by governmentman at I'm Such a Deep Thinker **
That's basicly what my student falt looks like 0o
#4 to #3 - nickfranceagain (11/29/2011) [-]
Sauce of rolled images, that's new :P
#5 to #3 - nickfranceagain (11/29/2011) [-]
*Student FLAT
User avatar #111 - hertogrick (11/30/2011) [-]
Yea and in the Netherlands they're a little big bigger with cable tv and a pc with internet... FML I wanna go to jail.
#71 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
That's just in Norway. The rest of Europe has normal prisons. The big difference with America, is we don't "start" being gay the first excuse we get.
#112 to #71 - anon (11/30/2011) [-]
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oh yeah what a normal prison in Leoben, Austria, looks just like every prison in america.
#75 to #71 - dezine (11/30/2011) [-]
german prison cells are pretty much the same
User avatar #83 to #75 - thaweasel (11/30/2011) [-]
Recently, the dutch goverment bought HD televisions for our prisons.. it's sad.
#96 to #83 - dezine (11/30/2011) [-]
and skyrim also? ;)
User avatar #126 - Bricktrain (11/30/2011) [-]
thats like some rooms at uni
#127 to #126 - indubitablelogic (11/30/2011) [-]
It's actually bigger than my room in Uni, and I have the most expensive room...
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