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#260 - graves (11/24/2011) [-]
This is ******* idiotic, even if you dont consider taking advantage of a girl who is drunk off her ass rape, its still ******* wrong, and your still violating her. If she doesn't have the ability to say no because she is overly intoxicated then yeah you ******* raped her. If you think this is funny in anyway odds are you a ******* date rapping prick, or would like to be.
User avatar #265 to #260 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
he was a dick, but she's a delusional slutbag bitch who's using her own immature behavior as a way to get attention and a false sense of power
#281 to #265 - anonymous (11/24/2011) [-]
Not a false sense of power.. if anything it looks like awareness. It's her fault she got drunk (unless she was drugged, which is entirely possible in which case it's definitely not her fault) and I look at this and say, well **** , I can dress provocatively, and flirt my ass off I've just got to be aware.

I get what you guys are saying, because she's basically set herself up to get violated with the provocative clothing, flirting, and lack of self control, so understand she does share a lot of the blame, but having sex with a person who's not in their right mind, drunk, or drugged, or high, is not only morally incorrect but it's definitely rape no matter what you say.

If you need any more proof, when I had just gotten out of surgery, and was still knocked out because of the anesthesia, my ex wanted to get back with me, and I told him absolutely! I loved him and i thought it was an excellent idea. A few days after the effects of the drugs wore off, I had to break up with him because I wasn't even sure if I actually cared about him or not.

And I'm not looking for a fight, just hoping people will read this and open their minds to different thoughts.
User avatar #283 to #281 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
would it still be rape if he was also drunk?
#298 to #283 - anonymous (11/24/2011) [-]
absolutley. It goes both ways! If he's the drunk one, or if she's the drunk one, or if theyre both drunk. the last one is unfortunate because that'd be difficult to sort out.
User avatar #311 to #298 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
my point is if they're both drunk, which was VERY possible in this scenario, then of course it's not rape
#369 to #311 - anonymous (11/25/2011) [-]
Rape is legally defined as forcible sexual relations with a person against the victim's will. I'm pretty sure you're capable of forcing people to do things while you're drunk, and not wanting to do things when you're drunk. Seriously, just because she didn't write that she said "no" allowed, does that mean she didn't... ?

Not to mention, making a verbal exclamation isn't NECESSARY to constitute rape. It is very much possible to convict rapists that did not receive a verbal "no" from the victim; in that way, the law is able to protect victims who were threatened or blackmailed into keeping quiet.

Honestly, a lot of factors will lead up to rape. I can't make a clear assessment of this girl's scenario without making several assumptions about her situation, which I really can't do without manipulating the truth. Do we know if the other guy was drunk? Do we know if she consented at first, but later denied it? "But my rapist doesn't know that he is a rapist" -- does that mean he was literally unaware of what he did, or does that mean that because he was allowed to escape the proper consequences of his actions, he believes himself to not be a rapist because society had justified his actions with, "she was dressing like a slut, so she was asking for it"?

You claim that other's opinions are so plain and simple, yet you directly state that if two people are intoxicated that it automatically isn't rape. It's not plain and simple. She may or may not have been raped. But honestly, I don't care if she in particular was raped or not, I just know that generally making fun at others expense to THIS sort of degree is going to inspire a lot of controversy.

So, seriously, why are we arguing about this on this site? Take it off. It wasn't funny then, and it isn't funny now.
#276 to #265 - graves (11/24/2011) [-]
rape is rape, no one deserves it, no matter who the person is.
User avatar #282 to #276 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
so plain and simple, how was it rape? Really try to answer that
#303 to #282 - anonymous (11/24/2011) [-]
It's rape because (if they are under the influence of a mind altering substance and are incapable of making a decision that agrees with their normal and conscious ideas and decisions) there is no control or way to say "no".

I have a goal to save my virginity until I fall in love with someone, or I'm married (the first kinda has to happen for the later to even be possible no? xD)

But I DOet horny sometimes, and if I got drunk, and got with a guy, and even though I wanted it in my body, I did not want it in my mind and THAT'S when the rape happens.

At least, that's what I'm thinking.
User avatar #310 to #303 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
first off, what would you say if the guy was also drunk?

second, if you WILLINGLY took the mind altering substance, you've made a personal choice. If she was slipped something that's another story. But even more strange is this idea that if someone's drunk they have no control over what they do. Has anyone in this ******* board ever been drunk? Sure it lowers your inhibitions, but you're still ******* conscious and connected with reality
#322 to #310 - anonymous (11/24/2011) [-]
I mentioned it in the comment before, I mean lets say this: The girl is drunk, and flirty; and the guy is drunk an horny. Let's also say that both weren't looking for sex, they honestly just wanted a fun night out. Lets even say that both have relationships with completly other people.
They meet, and the next morning they wake up in the same bed. They both technically said yes under the influence, but they both didnt' really want it in their sane minds. They were both mutually violated, and it's both their equal faults (it's both their faults in any situation, it;s who has the most fault is what people want to fight)
This is tricky because I mean, what can you do? The guy couldn't control himself, and neither can the girl, so there's no real fair way to blame it.

So thats when the girl is blamed because she's wearing provocative clothing.


And second, You're totally right. It's the girls choice to get drunk in this situation, and she's responsible for knowing the consequences being unable to fully control yourself can entail.

And eh, I've been dead drunk only twice in my life, the second time I honestly don't remember what I did, or why I did it. I woke up at my friends house (who so graciously let me stay on his couch, and though he did say I came onto him pretty hard, he was ridiculously respectful of me for which i am thankful), and was told by several witnesses that I broke my car windshield because there was a crack in it anyway, and my drunk head figured I'd finish the job.
And the first time, I remember what I did, and I said some things to certain people and did some things that to this day I regret, so I do believe that to a certain point, I literally had no control of myself. I wasn't sane, I wasnt logical, I wasnt me.
User avatar #324 to #322 - fluffymcnutter (11/24/2011) [-]
the point I'd make from that is how is the guy supposed to know how drunk she is? I've seen girls completely act like a fool after a couple beers and some people act 100% cool and calm while completely **** faced. There's absolutely no way of knowing.


So thats when the girl is blamed because she's wearing provocative clothing.

no one's blaming her for raping anyone, they're just pissed that she's blaming
#326 to #324 - anonymous (11/24/2011) [-]
And that's an excellent point. then its up to the moral responsibility of the man (unless he's ********* too, in which case i've told you what I think, and of course he has to know and be responsible for himself and his actions when he's drunk if he knows he gets a little touchy, then he should be responsible enough to stay away from too much drink) to be decent, respectful, and understand the circumstances and possible outcomes of what he's doing. My advice would be, if he sees that she's had some to drink, I'd stay away because a simple mistake could land his ass in jail, and then it's not all that fair for him because well, how could he have known?

And many do blame her. Evenif she's not blameing, many in the Jury think she shares the majority of the responsibility, many of the protesters, and many of you guys because you're all calling her out as a whore, so yes, the blame is shoved to her, because, after all, it was her choice to dress like a skank.
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