This guy!. found this while I was tumbling, found it quite funny, not mine. Since you read all that and now are reading this, why not thumb and send me a friend

This guy!

This guy!. found this while I was tumbling, found it quite funny, not mine. Since you read all that and now are reading this, why not thumb and send me a friend

found this while I was tumbling, found it quite funny, not mine.
Since you read all that and now are reading this, why not thumb and send me a friend request ?

that there' s an invisible man
living in the sky
who watches everything you do, every
minute of every day,
And the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not want
you to do.
sitll, tji;,
And if you do any of these ten things,
he has a special place, full of fire and
smoke and burning and torture and
anguish, where he will send you to
live and suffer and burn and choke
and scream and cry forever and ever
til the end of time!
But He loves you,
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#667 - bobofo (10/21/2011) [-]
User avatar #682 to #667 - thelastplatapus (10/21/2011) [-]
a thousand thumbs for you. i hate my christian friends who press it a little to hard
User avatar #692 to #682 - floofy (10/21/2011) [-]
read the picture and then the post again
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#180 - lolare (10/20/2011) [-]
**lolare rolls 44**
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#217 to #180 - kamilrulez (10/20/2011) [-]
**kamilrulez rolls 11**
why yes, yes they are
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**kamilrulez rolls 11**
i guess il entertain you a little more
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dare i try again?
#913 to #853 - aerosol (10/21/2011) [-]
it was fun while it lasted
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#191 - dickorcock (10/20/2011) [-]
If god doesn't exist, then why does zip zab zim zam za boobity bob?



#880 to #191 - Editor (10/21/2011) [-]
1.Copy and paste comment #94
#317 - sosyourmom (10/20/2011) [-]
another reason god is a dick...
#748 to #708 - Reverend (10/21/2011) [-]
Ancient alien thread gogogo
#659 - fellfox (10/21/2011) [-]
**fellfox rolled a random image** lol this is one of them
#25 - randomnab (10/20/2011) [-]
**randomnab rolled a random image** <god
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#1106 - dinosaurkingbyg (10/21/2011) [-]
Not only was George Carlin the greatest stand-up comedian of all time, but as his career progressed, he became a political revolutionist, exposing the underbelly of the American and global political machines, as well as the logical fallacies of religion governing people, not solely Christianity. His topics spanned from shredding the 10 Commandments to how ridiculously strict American elementary schools are, while being very fluent and intelligent with his diction and word choice, not to mention he was also ******* hilarious.
#1115 to #1106 - ilikeitinthebutt (10/21/2011) [-]
How about Lewis Black?
#1201 to #1106 - greenghillie (10/21/2011) [-]
If you love Carlin, you'll love Bill Hicks.

Here's a link to get started ;)
#1114 to #1106 - bummerdrummer (10/21/2011) [-]
i could not be in more agreement with you.
#657 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
Some atheists are convinced of their argument because it is logical and reasonable, which indeed it is.
There is one major problem with this. The only thing that says logic and reason are infallible are well...logic and reason themselves. It defies the very laws of logic and reason to use an assumption to prove itself, and here we get into circular logic.
In order to base any arguments on logic and reason, you have to first make an ASSUMPTION that logic and reason form the basis of all truths.

I choose to put my faith in logic and reason, but FAITH is all it is. It is just as much of a mental leap to put faith in logic as it is to put faith in a deity.

I put my faith in logic and reason because it is the one tool that sets man apart from the other beings on this planet, and has allowed us to become the dominant species. I cannot be sure that this conclusion is correct, and this is why I leave myself open to the possibility of a deity through agnosticism . I used to be one of those "how can you believe in god it makes no sense therefore you are stupid" people but I realized I was being hypocritical for the reasons stated above.

I know this is long and some people won't read but I think it would be beneficial for some of the scientific-minded people like myself to read this.
User avatar #681 to #657 - joachimstraad (10/21/2011) [-]
This is why I am a nihilist. Well said.
User avatar #685 to #657 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]
I think you're misusing the "Faith" here. That is to believe that has no evidence for. Scientific theories however don't need faith, because they have evidence to support them. It doesn't take faith to NOT to believe in something. Does it take faith to deny the claims about bigfoot?
But anyways good comment. ;)
User avatar #702 to #685 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
In order to consider this evidence valid you need to determine that the evidence shows causation. Cause and effect are products of logic and reason. Nothing says logic and reason imply truth other than our own intuition. Once again we hit a roadblock where we must take a leap of faith and assume that logic and reason are valid.
User avatar #897 to #702 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]
I don't think we need a leap of faith to assume that reason and logic are valid.
Or I don't quite understand what you're saying, do you care to elaborate for me?
User avatar #1029 to #897 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
My whole point is that logic and reason cannot be used as the be-all end-all argument for proving things right or wrong, simply because there is nothing that says logic and reason are themselves infallible. Our intuition may tell us that we can draw valid conclusions using logic and reason, but there is nothing concrete that says that this is true. How the human brain perceives the world is not necessarily how the world actually is, because our methods of observation are inherently flawed. Our eyes see only the visible spectrum, our ears pick up changes in air pressure etc, but the reality we create in our brains is based on the observations of only our 5 senses, and this does not necessarily imply that this reality is objective. Logic and reason make sense to us because we are logical and reasonable beings. Do you see the error in that statement? We cannot use our own subjective view of the world to prove that this view is correct. To do so would violate the very laws of the logic and reason that we give so much credit.

Here is an example:
God exists because God said in the Bible that God exists.
This is obviously logically flawed, because one assumption cannot be used to prove itself according to the laws of logic.
Now compare that statement to this one:
Logic and reason are valid tools to prove truths about the world because logic and reason themselves are logical and reasonable.
See the similarity?
Ironic as it may be, logic itself prevents us from "proving" that logic is infallible, because it cannot be used to prove its own validity.

This is where the leap of faith comes in. Since we cannot "prove" through logic that logic is valid, we must ASSUME that logic is valid. This assumption is just the same as the assumption that God exists. The only difference is that logic seems intuitive to you and me, and God seems intuitive to others.
User avatar #1237 to #1029 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]
"Logic and reason are valid tools to prove truths about the world because logic and reason themselves are logical and reasonable. "
What about science and evidence? That contradicts religion, and a lot of things that are in the bible for example. Because it's not reality. To me personally, the idea of a deity is just ridiculous.
Although I must give you thumbs up for your insight.
User avatar #1238 to #1237 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
You're still missing my point. Science and evidence are LOGICAL entities. The scientific method, the method used to connect cause with effect, is a LOGICAL process.
Carbon dating looks at what percentage of the original radioactive carbon-14 atoms are left in an object. Since the half-life of carbon-14 is known, once the percentage of intact carbon-14 is known, it is a simple calculation to find out how old something is.
But between the evidence and the solution there is a logical assumption. If we are to believe our calculation, we must assume that the carbon-14 behaved as it logically should have over time, and decayed exponentially.
We use logic to piece together all cause and effect pairs such as this. Science and evidence are just branches of logic and reason.
Since logic and reason have no firm basis which validates them, neither do science and evidence. They make sense to us, but we cannot PROVE them, sadly.
Do you see my point yet? It is easy for us to say that nothing in the Bible makes sense scientifically, but what we are saying is the logical equivalent of saying "Science is wrong because God said so". You cannot use an assumption to prove another assumption wrong. Since logic is an assumption, you cannot use it to prove religion wrong.
User avatar #1243 to #1238 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]
I understand what you're saying. But that doesn't mean that science is wrong.
Does that mean science's wrong (Which it isn't.)?
Does that mean all scientific theories wrong? Is science no longer valid to debunk ridiculous desert mythology? If so, I do not share your view on this.
User avatar #1248 to #1243 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
Read the comment below first, but once you are done I have a question for you that I think will illustrate my point.

PROVE to me that logic and science are infallible and can always be used to form an accurate representation of the truth.

If you can do that, I will concede the discussion to you.
You will also probably win a Nobel Prize...
User avatar #1249 to #1248 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]
I'll have to admit to admit that this is probably the hardest riddle I've ever encountered.
However, thanks to research and evidence we know how stuff works that brings us further to the truth, but since those words are just branches of logic and reason, I guess they're invalid. (You know, when you said, "Science and evidence are just branches of logic and reason")
But what if you made a mistake about what word would be the root of science, how do you know that it's "logic and reason" that is the root of all those things? Maybe there's another word?
I'll admit, I can not solve your riddle and prove that logic and science are infallible.
But I will still accept science and there's nothing that will make me change my mind about that. I rather want a real answer for things even if it means I'll die before I get the actual answer, I will always reject idea of a deity and supernatural things.
User avatar #1255 to #1249 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/22/2011) [-]
There that's all I'm saying. I choose science too but we have to realize that it is indeed a choice. These things make sense to us as logical beings and so we are comfortable with accepting science as truth. I'm not saying that we need to live our lives thinking every day that everything we know is wrong, but I find that the science folk aren't as quick to ridicule and discredit religious folk when they look at it from this perspective. Good talk though.
User avatar #1247 to #1243 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
*sigh* I never said anything was "wrong". All I am saying is that it is short-sighted and ignorant to blindly accept science as absolute unconditional truth. It is also short-sighted and ignorant to blindly accept religion as absolute unconditional truth.
Arguments that use science to disprove religion are pointless because both are base on initial assumptions.
At the root of the science vs. religion discussion is just a simple decision that is made by each individual to put faith in logic or to put faith in god. There is no proof, no amount of science that can disprove religion because when it comes down to it there is nothing that can prove science itself. You cannot build a house without a solid foundation, and since a solid foundation does not exist for either science or religion, neither view can be used to build an argument against the other. Try as you might, it is simply impossible to present a valid argument using one against the other.

If you believe in logic, then it is contradictory to your own beliefs to believe logic to be unquestionably valid.
In order for a person to follow logic and not contradict their own belief system, they MUST acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that logic is invalid.
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User avatar #699 to #657 - theracistpanda (10/21/2011) [-]
I'm assuming you're an atheiest, and I respect your beliefs. I also respect that you remain open to new ideas. An atheist lives down the road from me and I'm pretty sure he thinks Christains (and other religions that include a deity, I'm assuming) are stupid. You are not one of those people.
gave u a thum
User avatar #711 to #699 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
Agnostic. The only thing I am sure of is my own ignorance to the truths of the universe. I live my life following logic and reason to keep myself sane but I am completely aware that this is a choice and I could be completely wrong. I also don't believe that logic and reason and religion must be mutually exclusive. It is entirely possible that a deity created the universe and implemented logic and reason to "govern" it, and the rest just fell into place. Who knows? Not me.
#742 to #657 - anon (10/21/2011) [-]
I like how science states there are different dimensions, with probably different "laws" and think there couldn't be a god. I think the dimension where in are like rankings. and someones obviously at the very top. Just pulling the strings for fun. The biggest thing blocking freedom, is thinking you are actually free. The best thing you can do is realize it and try to become free, by doing the impossible, by which would become possible.
User avatar #750 to #742 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]
Careful with your use of the word "obvious". On the subject of dimensions, I think you might find this interesting:
#674 to #657 - sierramistfourteen (10/21/2011) [-]
&lt;---- unrelated  
thank you for saying that, couldn't have said it better myself
<---- unrelated

thank you for saying that, couldn't have said it better myself
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User avatar #684 to #657 - robtheninja (10/21/2011) [-]
Yea, I'm the same way. I grew up around my dad being a strong atheist, so I became one as well. I opened myself up to agnosticism after taking a philosophy class in which I was assigned to defend the existence of God with the ontological argument. I wanted to ace it of course, so I read so deeply into the argument (as well as a couple of other ones) that I stopped and thought to myself "wow, this is way more complex than I thought. I shouldn't be able to adamantly say one way or the other that God exists. There is no undeniable proof for either of the two sides of the argument." That's way I am an agnostic as well.
User avatar #690 to #684 - robtheninja (10/21/2011) [-]
That's why*
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