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#1 - snowshark
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(02/20/2013) [-]
Ah, typical misunderstanding.

You see, that is not SWAG. What you are observing there is called 'Class'. Class is where one manages to make one's self look both gentlemanly (or womanly) whilst still being entertaining.

SWAG is what teenage "Gangstas" call it when they look patently ridiculous enough to prove to their friends that they are completely devoid of class.

The clear difference between Class and SWAG is that SWAG is obviously for the sake of seeking attention (i.e. wearing "fashionable" clothing and blatantly expensive-looking jewellery whilst driving ridiculously flashy cars and so on) and it is all superficial and shows a very weak sense of self-worth, as they find worth and acceptance through show-offy means.

Class on the other hand is a very subtle thing and shows a very clear sense of self. Someone who is classy will likely wear clothing that speaks of a subtle elegance and intellect. Classy people are refined and cool-headed and they treat others with the respect that they deserve.
#57 to #1 - anon
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Who gives a **** that it says swag?
#47 to #1 - neoslash **User deleted account**
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#46 to #1 - torkildsen
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(02/21/2013) [-]
This is how smart you look to me
#36 to #1 - bknob
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User avatar #23 to #1 - ieaturchildren
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swag actually used to be an acceptable word for class, there wasn't a difference until the swaggots invaded...
User avatar #5 to #1 - slimtheshady
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(02/20/2013) [-]
However, it was Shakespeare himself who first used the term "swagger" (at least that can be reliably proved) to mean acting in a pompous manner, showing off. Clearly what this man did, while quite amazing, was not necessary and thus showing off.
User avatar #6 to #5 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Ah, however the term SWAG is not derived from the word 'swagger' as is formally assumed. It's origin comes from the term SWAG (Secretly We Are gay) and that is how the term SWAG got popularised, unbeknownst to the general populace. Granted, you could argue that SWAG and SWAG are different things, but I argue that the etymology of the term 'SWAG' comes from both sources.

What is more, we must also accept that Shakespeare, whilst he is arguably the most talented wordsmith in the recorded history of humanity, is several centuries out of date. Simply claiming Shakespeare now does not cut it as the word Swagger has evolved far past what Shakespeare may have imagined for it.

It is not where the term comes from, but how it is used that is the crux of the issue. Just as bastard is a word that is only an insult if used as such, swagger (or SWAG) has been tainted by a certain kind of usage that impresses a certain notion onto the meaning, thus tainting the word.

The past has little when confronted with the present.
User avatar #7 to #6 - slimtheshady
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Yet there are those that may still argue that bastard is an insulting term no matter what. For the record, I have no more evidence for my original argument but still desire to sound intelligent, so I'l refute individual points of your argument.
User avatar #9 to #7 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
If you wish to sound intelligent, then concede a debate once you can no longer adequately argue it. A smart man is one who knows that neither winning nor losing in a debate is of any real worth because he knows that the only person whose opinion should matter to him is his own.

Allow others their views. Argue them if you like, but understand that, at the end of the day, wether you convince them or not, it holds no real bearing on how you live your life.

Only when things have a direct impact upon your life do they really begin to matter. This is the internet. My opinion doesn't matter to you nor does yours matter to me. I simply enjoy the debate.

So, be the smart man when you can. Accept that some things in life truly do not matter in the grand scheme of your existence and allow yourself to enjoy the moment. ^_^
#42 to #9 - pankikilord
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(02/21/2013) [-]
A smart man might chose to do his homework before trying to claim something to be fact. That "Secretly We Are gay" thing was a ******** theory someone came up with to make a joke about how people using the word swag were calling themselves gay.


The original term for swag had a few different meanings, but the general idea was that it was a bundle of some sort of product or goods (and a type of window drape, too. Apparently.) My opinion is that the term was taken by people who wanted to look up fancy ways of saying they had a lot of money and ended up adopting the word swag.

Now.....My issue doesn't lie with you having the wrong info. And you are right in saying opinions don't hold any real weight. But when you're trying to educate someone, don't try to do so by being condescending or using obvious attempts to sound more proper or classy than you are.
I'm sorry, but saying "Ah, however" in front of ANY opposing argument doesn't make you classy. It shows that you're putting on an act, obviously basing your dialogue on a cliche that all "classy" men speak like that. And frankly, saying stuff like that shows an obvious contempt for the others argument, and shows that you KNOW that your information is right (it wasn't).

You claim that the slang term for swag is an obvious attempt at seeking attention by basically putting on a show for the people who will fall for it. And I'm sorry, but I would think that putting on a grandiose act and using "sophisticated" words like "whilst" all for the sake of trying to appear to be "classy" is much closer to that definition.

You can claim that this isn't just a grandiose act, and that you're really classy. But people with "class" don't flaunt it like a badge or use it to demean others.
My information might be wrong. I accept that. But I believe myself to be right, and I don't put down those who would have the wrong information. Can you say the same?
User avatar #55 to #42 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Interesting argument indeed. However I am afraid I'm going to scupper it. You see, the way I speak is not because of some in-built superiority complex nor is it the result of sheer contempt for those less intelligent than me. Rather it is the product of the fact that I simply love language. I love to exercise my vocabulary and it just so happens that I also love to speak in the manner that I do. It allows me to practice unusual literary combinations far more than regular speech and personally I find that to be very engaging.

I do see your point, as there are many who wear the facade simply for the sake of a weak ego (similar to that of a "SWAGFAG") but, as is true with most things regarding human nature, there will always be exceptions to the rule.

Now, I do hate to seem condescending after beforehand stating that it is not my intent (personally I find it to be rather distasteful when not used for satire) but what you say about swag is only partially true. Whilst the term 'swag' has been in use for a long time, notably in pirates of fiction, it is, in fact, a somewhat different term to 'SWAG'. They are connected but in an unusual way.

The term 'SWAG' erupted because 'swag' was already a word and they could get away with using it. They could hide their hidden meaning beneath an accepted literal meaning. However those not in on the joke ended up adopting the term 'SWAG', believing it to be of a similar meaning to bling and the like. So you're not wrong, but there is more to the story than you say.

Now, the (arguably) condescending part. You made judgements about my character based upon what seems to be a single instance of my communication here on Funny Junk. If you did search through my OC and my other comments for proof to back yourself up you would find much in contrary to your argument. Ironically this is in contradiction to your opening statement (if you did, though, I apologise.) Whilst I do see you as 'smart' I feel this was a misjudgement on your part.
User avatar #64 to #55 - pankikilord
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Yeah, well, fair enough. It was 5 in the morning at the time of reading this. My mistake.
User avatar #65 to #64 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
No need to worry. Humanity is flawwed and we all have things we'd do differently.

^_^ It's all cool.
User avatar #15 to #9 - slimtheshady
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By admitting my previous comment, I was conceding. It was a humorous, self-deprecating manner of doing so, but I thought that point had been clear. Which made the backhanded insult of saying how I was in fact not the "smart man" kinda hurt. But, you're right, this is the internet, so I will stop my whining. Good day, sir. Also, you should use less paragraphs. It detracts from your point by spacing everything out unnecessarily. Anyway, farewell.
User avatar #17 to #15 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Interesting point. Thank you. I shall consider my graphology more carefully in future.
User avatar #12 to #9 - patwed
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(02/21/2013) [-]
this conversation deserves this song to be read in the appropriate atmosphere
a song such as this demonstrates true class.
User avatar #13 to #12 - snowshark
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(02/21/2013) [-]
Thank you very much. *tips cap*

However I much prefer the classy song with a kick of juice to it.