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#11 - davvi (02/20/2013) [-]
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#229 to #11 - crellow (02/20/2013) [-]
dat loop
#21 to #11 - upyoursnumbnuts ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
Seriously, what was the point of half that fight?
User avatar #26 to #21 - aldheim (02/20/2013) [-]
Both are masters of lightsaber combat.
I'm sure plenty of feints were required to gain the upper hand.
User avatar #79 to #26 - themongoose (02/20/2013) [-]
Obi Wan admitted that lightsaber combat was not his strong suit. Anakin was better, but he cut himself off at the knees with his pride.
User avatar #179 to #79 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
"was not his strong suit"?!?

Obi-Wan was THE living master of Soresu at the time! Nobody was better in that all-defensive style than him!
User avatar #287 to #179 - themongoose (02/20/2013) [-]
True, but the reason he was so great was because he implemented the use of the force strongly in his lightsaber fighting. Force use was his true strength. Had he learned Vaapad he may very well have been the best. The offense would have complemented his defense perfectly. But again, as a defensive fighter, he loved diplomacy far more than fighting - the masters of Vaapad (Mace and Depa in particular) loved the fight itself. And even Obi Wan admits that the force is obviously stronger than any known Jedi.
#243 to #11 - andnowducks (02/20/2013) [-]
INTERNET FIGHT
INTERNET FIGHT
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#50 to #11 - beddeb (02/20/2013) [-]
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#80 - mrblues (02/20/2013) [-]
I like to think of it this way: by "A New Hope" they have both reached a level of combat mastery in which they already anticipate their opponents movement long before they're made. It's more like chess than a lightsaber battle.
#123 to #80 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
It's called a Nash Equilibrium. There's little that either party can do, because they know everything that each other can do. Vader can predict what Obi-Wan will do and exploit it, and Obi-Wan knows that he'll exploit it, so he doesn't do anything.
User avatar #151 to #80 - derkio (02/20/2013) [-]
They actually called the battles in prequels high paced chess matches. It was at that time lightsaber combat was at is peak with nearly all 7 forms of lightsaber techniques being practiced.
User avatar #84 to #80 - ihatebuffering (02/20/2013) [-]
That's actually pretty genius of you. I like that.
#111 to #84 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
i will agree.
unfortunately, i am 'that' anon. the one who MUST correct you like the grammar nazi's.

basically a quick wiki scan says that Lucas used Kendo styled sword fighting to try and convey that this was essentially "two old men fighting"
heck i reckon Vader held back as well. i'm just going to say that given all the servo's etc. in his limbs he could've floored Ben in 3 seconds tops.
#9 - opjoopie (02/19/2013) [-]
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#36 - mrmuggles (02/20/2013) [-]
OP's reality
#64 to #36 - sethja (02/20/2013) [-]
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#44 to #36 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
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No, this is OP's reality.
User avatar #45 to #44 - haseotakaeda (02/20/2013) [-]
******* hell that was relevant
User avatar #1 - danniella (02/19/2013) [-]
This just explains my disappointment with star wars kinect.
User avatar #15 to #1 - sirslimyscrotum **User deleted account** (02/20/2013) [-]
BUT DANCING
#134 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
...well I think Vader learned his lesson take it easy, don't underestimate your opponent or overestimate your own ability . Having stumps is probably a ******* reminder of that I suppose.
#188 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
well that's all nice and dandy.   
   
but then you see this 			************		!
well that's all nice and dandy.

but then you see this ************ !
User avatar #190 to #188 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
General Grievous was one of the MAJOR fails in Episode III.
Besides the fact that they dumbed him down severely compared to Clone Wars - TAS (where he stroke from the shadows, ambushing and being devious as **** ), they placed him out in the ******* open in front of Jedis too many times!
I mean, how hard was it for anybody to just Force slam him to the ceiling to the floor and back again several times (like Obi-Wan did... eventually)?!?
User avatar #195 to #190 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
i know but i whas only talking about the lightsaber movement and the fact he has 4 of them
User avatar #230 to #195 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Yes, and what does he do with those 4 arms (remind that he was a specialized Jedi-killing cyborg)?
Starts spinning them like a buzzsaw, oooh, so threatening... only to lose 2 of them within seconds of each other.

That's another reason why Ep. III Grievous is just a huge fail.
#256 to #230 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
ok we'll give you 4 lightsabers and see how long you last against obi-wan ya cunt bucket
User avatar #261 to #256 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Well if I were previously portrayed as single-handedly taking out ~7 Jedi (and be able to fight with at least 3 of them in the same times and actually win)...
#263 to #261 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
7 jedi that were not obi-wan. not all jedi are created equal
User avatar #253 to #230 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
do you really not get why i posted this?
#20 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
So, what we get in reality is somewhat clumsy but many times more satisfying and meaningful than the vapid, over-indulgent mess we expect it to be?   
   
That's pretty sage.   
   
Though it is arguably the opposite for modern cinema most of the time. What we expect is a carefully crafted and immersive storyline where the characters take precedence over the empty visual spectacle. What we really get is empty movies with empty characters which are made to just look nice and sell merchandise.   
   
(Though there are a few notable exceptions, mind, the Star Wars Prequels are, sadly not exempt.)
So, what we get in reality is somewhat clumsy but many times more satisfying and meaningful than the vapid, over-indulgent mess we expect it to be?

That's pretty sage.

Though it is arguably the opposite for modern cinema most of the time. What we expect is a carefully crafted and immersive storyline where the characters take precedence over the empty visual spectacle. What we really get is empty movies with empty characters which are made to just look nice and sell merchandise.

(Though there are a few notable exceptions, mind, the Star Wars Prequels are, sadly not exempt.)
User avatar #29 to #20 - awesomenessdefined (02/20/2013) [-]
The whole Star Wars series was a list of vapid empty characters meant to sell toys. It's one of the truths no fan can accept.

And satisfying. Ha.

Modern Cinema is the greatest.
#31 to #29 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
Ha! You troll in vain, POWER PUFF GIRL, for I, MOJO JOJO am immune to butthurt!
User avatar #40 to #32 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
Funny **** .

The Ewoks are fairly cutesy, granted, and I won't deny that there are an awful lot of doofy things in the original series. Nor will I deny that there are actually some fairly vapid characters, like Boba Fett (sure, he looks cool, but he dies like a pussy and doesn't have any character inside that helmet).

But there is a great deal of heart to the original series and if you see the lengths that the teams went to to make the movies, despite the limitations of their age, then it is very hard to see them as anything other than a heartfelt homage to the classic Sci-Fi adventure serials that inspired Lucas, just as the action adventure serials inspired Indiana Jones.

The prequels are not entirely garbage, they just lack the blood, sweat and tears that the first three films had poured into them.

You're not exactly wrong, since the elements of "this'll make a good toy" do exist across all of the films. But it never interfered with the story and it was clear which one took precedence.

Whew. I quite enjoyed that. Thank you.
#46 to #29 - creepyunclebob (02/20/2013) [-]
It doesn't matter if the first ones were accidentally good, they were still good. And when Lucas finally had the power to make the movies he wanted, it was **** .
#78 to #20 - Tatou (02/20/2013) [-]
I disagree with you my good sir. I found the prequels excellent. The only thing I did not like was the acting of the Anakin actor in Episode 2. I think he made up for it in Episode 3. He always had me at the edge of my seat. I actually find the 3rd episode the best of the whole series. tl;dr I like the prequels but i respect your opinion
User avatar #218 to #78 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
*nod* Thanks.

Now, we could take this the typical rout of back and forth discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Prequel Saga (which I imagine would be rather interesting) or we could drop it here. There are some definite strengths to the prequels and a lot of things about their existence that is beneficial to the Star Wars universe but they are far from stainless.
User avatar #22 to #20 - codyxvasco (02/20/2013) [-]
Umm....indubitably?
#23 to #22 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
Now you're getting it.
#217 - thedutchs (02/20/2013) [-]
You can't really blame them. Both of them are like above the 60.

It's Luke who should be ashamed...
User avatar #225 to #217 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Actually Vader died at ~44...
User avatar #247 to #225 - fishtacos (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but Vader is 3/4 robot and covered in old 3rd degree burns. That's gotta effect your light saber skills at least a little.
User avatar #262 to #247 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Oh, you have no idea.

It is stated somewhere that his armored shoulder pads actually prevented him from raising his hands above his head, before they were modified...
#90 - Ulmer (02/20/2013) [-]
I loved the prequels, especially the clone army.
User avatar #120 to #90 - burdenedsoul ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
i only like the big clone battle near the end, and the showdown between dooku and yoda
almost every other scene in it though just looks like anikin's just a pissed off tween that looks like he just shat on a turtle

revenge of the sith was my favorite of the prequels, because it was more actiony than the others, while the emotiony bits were done MUCH better than clone wars. revenge of the sith did a very good job at showing anikin's change into vader, and setting up the original 3 from the 70/80s

p.s. is it anakin? or anikin? i keep getting it mixed up
#145 to #90 - setittowumbo (02/20/2013) [-]
I love Clone Wars...Haven't really gotten the time to actually finish season three...   
   
Captain Rex is my favorite Character.    
   
If you were talking about the movie, I'm sorry.
I love Clone Wars...Haven't really gotten the time to actually finish season three...

Captain Rex is my favorite Character.

If you were talking about the movie, I'm sorry.
User avatar #94 to #90 - hardcoreman (02/20/2013) [-]
I loved the cartoon serious right before episode III came out
#107 to #94 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
The original clone wars, hell yeah gotta love them 5 min. episodes
User avatar #108 to #107 - hardcoreman (02/20/2013) [-]
**** yeah anon those were the best, the clones were so ******* bad ass in that show
User avatar #127 to #90 - serotonin (02/20/2013) [-]
And General Grevous
#70 - auesis ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
So much butthurt.

I enjoyed the **** out of the prequels. And what?
User avatar #74 to #70 - megatrondecepticon (02/20/2013) [-]
I've found the picture I've been looking for, thank you for posting it in a comment.
User avatar #87 to #70 - tankimatt (02/20/2013) [-]
And you have a **** taste in movies, thats what
User avatar #98 to #87 - desacabose ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
That's like telling someone their favorite food tastes bad to them
User avatar #99 to #98 - tankimatt (02/20/2013) [-]
if there favourite food is a pile of **** with no thought put into it, then yes it is the same
User avatar #209 to #99 - donttouchthat (02/20/2013) [-]
their*
User avatar #251 to #209 - tankimatt (02/20/2013) [-]
oo you really showed me
#274 to #251 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
More than what you "showed" the other user, raging faggot.
#91 to #87 - auesis ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
Thank you for your valued opinion.
Thank you for your valued opinion.
#203 - winalot (02/20/2013) [-]
I like the prequels obi wan is my favourite charater and without them he wouldn't have been
User avatar #213 to #203 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, that's because Ewan McGregor did a ******* good job as Obi-Wan, so it's no wonder you'd like the character. And I agree, the prequels aren't seriously that bad, in fact, I think they're quite entertaining.
User avatar #258 to #213 - reddeadtroll (02/20/2013) [-]
They weren't too bad, although I really didn't like Episode I. Only cool part about it was Darth Maul's doubled-bladed badassery.
User avatar #226 to #213 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Except the Episode II dialogues. At those you just cringe.
User avatar #245 to #226 - azraelthemage (02/20/2013) [-]
Episode II wasn't that bad......it was just so goddamn slow.
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#181 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
FACT: The duels from Ep. V and Ep. VI are way better than the ones in the prequels (bar the Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, whic was very well coreographed and didn't have any clumsy errors)
WHY? Because they weren't as flashy, first of all; the blows actually seemed to have weight and force to them.
Second: If you pay a little attention, you can actually notice that each sword hit had a purpose, unlike the duels in the prequels were apparently the main goal was just to clash the lightsabers for cool sounds.
Third: MUCH more emotion in the original trilogy duels, the "I sense much fear in you, Skywalker! You have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them", as much as I respect Cristopher Lee, was just a wet fart compared to Vader's taunts.
ALSO, according to the Star Wars universe, both Anakin and Luke used Djem So, a rather aggressive style with powerful blows that suited their personality (that you can actually see on-screen). Even though Vader used a personalized version of Djem So, with even more powerful blows, but with much less mobility, due to his suit restraints.

Also, a bit of Star Wars trivia: In Episode IV, David Prowse actually did the fighting in Vader's suit (in Ep. V and Ep. VI the late Bob Anderson wore the Vader suit during the duels), which explains why Vader's fighting style seemed so distinct (notice the Kendo-like moves, especially the leg work, the same foot always in the rear position). Also, David Prowse couldn't manage to control his bodybuilder strength, so he broke many of the saber-props during Ep. IV
#206 to #181 - kuchikirukia (02/20/2013) [-]
The Darth Maul battle was overly choreographed to the point where you could tell they were just going through their set routines, so even that lacked any real tension. It didn't feel like a real batttle.
www.youtube.com/watch?&v=J0mUVY9fLlw

Watch this and compare:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya56lCrqhYQ
This was done in a free 5MB program and it absolutely destroys anything found in the prequels.
User avatar #211 to #206 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Well, it HAD to be tightly coreographed, it was the first time one of the fighters had a double-lightsaber (or saberstaff). Like I said, one of the reasons I respect that fight (besides Duel of the Fates fitting it nicely) is that you can also watch each and every move where it is supposed to strike and how neatly and fluidly is deflected.

It IS a bit mindnumbing realizing that they managed to actually make Maul be on both defense and offense in the same time, thanks to that particular style. All hail Ray Park!
User avatar #216 to #211 - kuchikirukia (02/20/2013) [-]
The fluidity is what makes it so bad. It is immediately obvious that there is no effort involved. They're not fighting, they're meeting at pre-planned points in the air and nothing else.
There's two Jedi. How about one of them pin one half of his staff down and the other hit his undefended side? There's nothing like that -- they just trade off again and again. "Oh, you want to swing at Obi-wan? It looks like my saber's tangling you up over here -- let me move that for you!"


User avatar #221 to #216 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Onedoesnotsimplypinalightsaberdown.jpg

Maul was most certainly the most agile and vigorous of the 2 (clearly better trained in swordsmanship than Obi-Wan); pinning a saber down would have been predictable, easy to avoid by sidestepping or backstepping... and it could have been fatal to the one trying it, losing too much momentum on this action.
His only mistakes were when he allowed either of them to get in really close-quarters, where his staff length was hindering, mainly when he got bitchslapped by Qui-Gon and when he got his staff cut in half by a furios Obi-Wan.

TL;DR Maul had to be fluid precisely to be able to avoid being pinned down; his fighting style requires him to be very active and unpredictable, keeping a foe off-guard. Not to mention he was specifically trained as a Jedi killer.
#234 to #181 - anon (02/20/2013) [-]
The virginity is strong in this one.
User avatar #238 to #234 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
It would be rather sad if I actually were almost 24 with no sexual activity...
#186 to #181 - dalegendaryjake (02/20/2013) [-]
Here sir, take this token of my gratitude.
Here sir, take this token of my gratitude.
User avatar #197 to #186 - rawesome ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
Why was I expecting Mark to use the force instead of reaching all the way down?
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#28 - mattdoggy (02/20/2013) [-]
Every time i lose
Every time i lose
User avatar #43 to #28 - snowshark (02/20/2013) [-]
Black Knight = Darth Vader 1.0
User avatar #150 - cyanidesandvich (02/20/2013) [-]
the original jedi fight worked well i'd say.
it wasn't a flashy fight of anger.
it was one where an old mentor knew he couldn't win so he took it as slow as possible to try to win with the mind.
#153 to #150 - sathrax (02/20/2013) [-]
You sir blew my mind.
User avatar #154 to #153 - cyanidesandvich (02/20/2013) [-]
obviously obi-wan worked slow enough on you.
#73 - sammyjankiis (02/20/2013) [-]
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User avatar #255 - smokingman (02/20/2013) [-]
Have you ever seen a sword match between experts?
Few movements, short swings, no openings.
You wait for your opponent to open up, then hit.
Makes sense for them to be more expert and more able to spot guard openings as years pass?
I have no idea...


User avatar #280 to #255 - drunkjedifromanime (02/20/2013) [-]
yeah now that you mention it you're right the prequel fight are nice and flashy but old one are more realistic
#264 to #255 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah. Episode 4 had the best, imo, choreography as it took from kendo. Kendo is all about waiting for the perfect hit, because one rash or unthinking move will surrender the center line and you lose.
#132 - commentorman (02/20/2013) [-]
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#183 to #132 - tryenth ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
got three of these, thanks for the fourth one.
got three of these, thanks for the fourth one.
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