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#1 - lockstin

Reply+52

(02/01/2013)[-]

the whole idea that "free" healthcare = low quality healthcare is silly. the better doctors who do a better job still get paid more, so they still strive to do better, at least thats the way it is in canada. They also get paid extra if their patient gets better sooner, encouraging preventative medicine rather then elongating the sickness by just treating the symptoms and keeping the patient on meds and more frequent doctor visits.

#22 to #1 - Xepheros

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(02/02/2013)[-]

Indeed. "free" health care also works insanely well in Sweden. Obviously, it's not free, just free from fees since it's paid using taxes. Thing is, it works so amazingly well over here that we percieve the US system as pretty much dystopic. We scare our children with stories of how it works over there.

#92 to #1 - LiamNeeson

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(02/02/2013)[-]

While that's true, they could still make better money elsewhere so they leave. You shouldn't have used Canadian healthcare as an example like everybody does, it really isn't that great. The waiting lists in Canada for anything major are insane, so insane that anything serious untreated that long would kill you. For cancer in the US, 6 months is something to work with to try and make it better before it becomes completely fatal, in Canada, you're on a 12 month waiting list. I'm not saying it's terrible, but it needs a lot of work, maybe as much as the American system needs.

Oh, and Canada makes you pay for a lot of medication and necessary treatments as well. Nearly all mentally ill patients get next to no help, and anything worthwhile they have to pay out of their pocket for.

#21 to #1 - sketchE

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(02/02/2013)[-]

im not going to try to be inconsiderate but it may come out so ill apologize in advance. my experience with free health care is ****. im military and have been my whole life so i know what free healthcare is like. my friend had to wait three hours with a broken coller bone to be helped and everyone complained about the screaming child. i emember waiting a good hour too hour and a half with myo/peracharditous (potentialy fatal condition where sack around heart is inflammed) before being shot up with anti inflammitories. all my experiences are that private medical staff are better quality. not only because they have to be good to earn their py they are much more likely to be sued. suing someone payed by the government is a little more daunting to the average person

#14 to #1 - Yardie

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(02/02/2013)[-]

And I'm sure there aren't ways to abuse that plan at all.

Also how long do you have to wait to see a doctor again in Canada? Over 2 months for emergency surgery, is that right?

And if Doctors get paid good money, (better or the same) as if it were free market, how do those government provisions help society? Much more money is being sent through medical services which could have been used for other, possibly more important things.

I know Canadians are generally pleased about how their Healthcare system is set up, but ignorance is bliss there in my opinion.

#6 to #1 - divinedrgn#119 on commentsRank#119

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(02/02/2013)[-]

lol just so you know once "Obamacare" goes into effect plenty of doctors plan on quiting so ya have fun standing in a line for a few hours for a 10 minute appointment and not getting anything done that needs to be done.

#9 to #6 - lockstin

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(02/02/2013)[-]

They will be back once their temper tantrum is done. quitting a very high paying job because its system of payment change, but is still very high paying, is retarded. They are probably just butt-hurt republicans. I know tons of people who said that if Obama-care came into effect they would move out of the country. It passed, did we have a mass drop in population? no.

#23 to #9 - sketchE

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(02/02/2013)[-]

mabe not mass amount but y those who could afford to leave have left. many people in the US are struggling to get by and those who oppose these kind of things are lower class and too proud to take welfare. which i prefer over those who are too proud to take a lower paying job than they think they deserve with no experience so they just sit on welfare

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#259 to #145 - sketchE

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(02/03/2013)[-]

key word. nearly

#264 to #259 - lockstin

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(02/03/2013)[-]

The only country in europe not to have some sort of free universal healthcare is Germany, and it has essentially Obama-care on steroids. your only luck would be to go to a 3rd world country. society is progressing, so if people really want it to not progress they are going to have to move somewhere that is far far behind. heck even some 3rd world countries have free healthcare, like Cuba.

#265 to #264 - sketchE

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(02/03/2013)[-]

i dont think the government taking from me to help someone else is progress. i think real progress is people wanting to help their fellow man. i disagree with welfare because most of it is fraud and waste. i have no problem helping people who have had things happen to them out of their control. i dont like helping people who have made decisions in their life and are now living with the consequences but feel entitled to free money.

i think most people who say thy will leave the states are more concerned with being taxed outragiously just because theyre rich. a business owner shouldnt have to pay the same percent of taxes as a single male with no dependants living at home. the later isnt even supporting himself so he doesnt exactly need tons of money. the former however isnt only supporting his own family but the families of everyone who works for him. that is why people are planning on leaving the US. i may be wrong but i think there are places in europe that are havens for business owners like that right now

#260 to #259 - swiftykidd**User deleted account**

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#65 to #23 - anon id: 051db0a1

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(02/02/2013)[-]

Which is hilarious, I'll add, because the states is the only first world country where they could have continued to live the lifestyle that they hold so dear because it's the only first world country that still had a private healthcare system. i'm certain they're having a great time trying to find another place that has a private healthcare system in, say, a third world country.

TL;DR they're ******* stupid and can go live in Africa if they want.

#5 to #1 - noodlelover

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(02/02/2013)[-]

Well...Money buys quality.... most Canadians come to America for Cancer treatments, heart surgeries, and transplants...because we have cutting edge technology and extremely motivated surgeons but for a broken arm or something yeah....Canada is great

#8 to #5 - lockstin

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(02/02/2013)[-]

that was myth number 5 in the thesis I wrote for college. the only thing that commonly causes Canadians to go to the US is open heart surgery. other then that its pretty balanced. My uncle actually buys Canadian medical equipment and sells it to US doctors for profit. And just because the US manufactures the best medical equipment doesn't mean its the only one to get it. They export it everywhere.

#229 to #1 - tharic

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I had free health care while I lived in the united states and it was pretty great, no complaints about it. Now Im in Brasil and the freee healthcare is just awful, the paid healthcare dowsnt seem to be making any progress either, still low quality

#117 to #1 - swiftykidd**User deleted account**

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#142 to #117 - anon id: 84b4f920

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I have CF and i'm over in norfolk, I can easily say I would've been dead a long time ago if it wasn't for the NHS and CF trust, my doc kept me safe through multiple infections and such.

#144 to #142 - swiftykidd**User deleted account**

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#91 - Soilwork

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#248 to #91 - undeadwill

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I'm hungry now

#96 - redclover

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#3 - snerus

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#129 to #3 - jibb

Reply-1

(02/02/2013)[-]

Taken from the last picture related to OP's game

#47 - felixjarl

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#106 - divviyday

Reply+20

(02/02/2013)[-]

lol, Cr1TiKaL.

#223 to #106 - anon id: 2bc2e414

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

That is the best game in the history of the world.

#176 to #106 - eminempackerfan

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

He is so damn funny haha

#123 to #106 - minishadow

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

Whats this from?

#137 to #123 - dickticklerluv

Reply+2

(02/02/2013)[-]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbYYJF0c4VA

Here you go

#157 to #137 - minishadow

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

Thanks

#193 - joshkroger

Reply+11

(02/02/2013)[-]

ohhhh, don't be such a baby. Ribs grow back!

#203 to #193 - mechbaird

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#10 - eviltwin

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#114 - agooodname

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#153 to #114 - stiffbeefyone

Reply+5

(02/02/2013)[-]

MS Paint skills off the charts!

#156 to #153 - agooodname

Reply-8

(02/02/2013)[-]

no... just no

#169 to #156 - stiffbeefyone

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(02/02/2013)[-]

If I remember correctly, Mitt Romney did say NOT to help out the 3 major US car brands and let them topple over. That alone would have put millions out of a job. Not only at headquarters, but new/used car dealerships, repair shops, and part stores. You cannot even comprehend the ripple effect that would cause. Obama stepped in, bailed them out, and they all paid back IN FULL plus the U.S. government owns a large share of GM now. Now they can push cleaner vehicles. If Romney was President at that time, he would have thrown the US into more problems than we ever had, close to the housing market crisis. That reason alone is the reason I'm glad he's not in office.

#177 to #169 - agooodname

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(02/02/2013)[-]

if you have some time i suggest you watch this it will make it very clear who really saved the auto industry.
You need to login to view this link

#178 to #177 - stiffbeefyone

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(02/02/2013)[-]

You cannot even give the correct link? I bet you are the same ignorant American that also thinks that the $600 billion spent per year for the war when Bush was in office, WAS NOT deferred until Obama took office to make it seem as if Democrats pushed the U.S. debt to $15 trillion huh?

#179 to #178 - agooodname

Reply-6

(02/02/2013)[-]

no need to be rude, i see you liberals cannot hold a conversation without acting like children, typical
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kS-rYlLlFM

#180 to #179 - stiffbeefyone

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I just saw that video prior to your post. This is a video of AFTER the bailout. This video does not have anything to do with Obama bailing out the auto industry. This is of "Chrysler's turn around".

#186 to #180 - agooodname

Reply-4

(02/02/2013)[-]

if Fiat had not have taken over Chrysler they would have liquidated with or without the bailout Obama funded

#187 to #186 - stiffbeefyone

Reply+3

(02/02/2013)[-]

So you are telling me, that when the U.S. government gave Chrysler a ton of money to bail them out, that Chrysler is NOT going to hire someone to help them out? I mean, that would have been the general idea right? CMON! Think a little bit. Don't believe 100% what the media puts in your head. I know this first hand. The local news NEVER reports exactly how things go down. Same goes for national news. You have to think outside the box. Chrysler got money, and they hired/partnered up with someone to put together a plan to stay afloat. They can't just get the money and say "well, we have money, we are fine." Lol. Now Fiat gets all the glory. Please. You sound like a 9-5 worker that only does and thinks what he's told.

#194 to #187 - agooodname

Reply+1

(02/02/2013)[-]

OK thank you for opening my eyes, i was blind but now i see. If only obama could run for a third term then we would have world piece

#200 to #194 - stiffbeefyone

Reply+1

(02/02/2013)[-]

Lol. I didn't mean it like that. I just hate the fact that people don't credit Obama for the great he has done for the country. I can name 100 things he has done great for the United States. There is no way that you will get everyone to back every president, but still. Truth be told, Romney would have not been a better president than Obama. If there was a better Republican candidate, I would have voted for him. God knows I would have. But Romney had too many faults prior to his campaign for presidency. Still love you fellow FJer. :)

#207 to #200 - agooodname

Reply+1

(02/02/2013)[-]

yeah we i do get carried away in internet debates haha. ill admit Obama not all bad but i still think Mit was the better choice. lets just agree to disagree.

#210 to #207 - stiffbeefyone

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#202 to #194 - Chas

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

ITT: agoodname is a retard

#32 - domitius

Reply+15

(02/02/2013)[-]

Can someone explain to me why there is so much hate for obamacare?

#80 to #32 - stclair

Reply+14

(02/02/2013)[-]

Because in America, I am forced to either participate in it and buy government health insurance or pay an exorbitant fine for using a non-government insurance plan. It would be much wiser to fix the current "free" healthcare system by revamping it rather than flooding billions of dollars into some new program that is driving insurance premiums up and causing businesses to drop their great employee insurance plans because they can no longer afford them. So, in a nation where the vast majority of people already have health insurance, this system doesn't work.

#243 to #80 - undeadwill

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

Dude. I want to be your friend now. Finally someone makes a good argument for it

#102 to #80 - bobducky

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

first legit argument i've seen against obamacare all day. everyone else is "freedom Amurica, bad idea, freedom freedom." just dumb

#72 to #32 - grandmabetty

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#73 to #72 - domitius

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#59 to #32 - sircool

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

because it's the same thing but lower quality and everyone pays.

#182 to #59 - anon id: 3ac0fd8c

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

Lower Quality? shhhhh. You're ignorance is stupid.

Obama Care is bad because of what StClair said, not because it's lower quality...

#63 to #59 - domitius

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

Thank you, now I can see why. But guess the country is in financial trouble.

#33 to #32 - rochal

Reply-13

(02/02/2013)[-]

because its a BAD ******* IDEA

#34 to #33 - domitius

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

But why?

#35 to #34 - rochal

Reply-10

(02/02/2013)[-]

because it will decrease the quality of healthcare nationwide because doctors will be underpaid for their work, because hospitals will have vastly too many patients to realistically care for, and for a million other reasons

#40 to #35 - Usualyanon

Reply+6

(02/02/2013)[-]

I'd rather all be able to live, hell Canada has universal health care and it's working pretty well for them.

#245 to #40 - undeadwill

Reply-1

(02/02/2013)[-]

Yeah but we are America. We **** **** up.

#254 to #245 - Usualyanon

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(02/02/2013)[-]

Murica **** YA

#255 to #254 - undeadwill

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(02/02/2013)[-]

#55 to #35 - lemleet

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

it works in germany and many other countries so damn well. why shouldn't it in america? stupid ****

#38 to #35 - domitius

Reply0

(02/02/2013)[-]

But isn't it better for people to at least get healthcare with a slight drop in quality than the best healthcare only some have access too?

#42 to #38 - rochal

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(02/02/2013)[-]

also quality is going to drop severely, not slightly.

#39 to #38 - rochal

Reply-26

(02/02/2013)[-]

the thing is that **** shouldnt be free, you should have to work for it. if you cant afford healthcare, then you can die in a gutter. and thats what capitalism is all about! if you dont like it move to a socialist nation, where nationalized healthcare belongs

#54 to #39 - thedumbledore

Reply+9

(02/02/2013)[-]

That's a horrid attitude. 'Work for it?' I work as much as I can, My mother works full time and we wouldn't be able to afford healthcare in the US because my mother grew up in a small country area where no one could afford to go to high school above 15- She does not have good qualifications and can not get a decent paying job.

If it wasn't for free healthcare here, due to my medical issues I probably WOULD be dead in a gutter. I think it's terrible to think that sort of thing happening is justified.

#51 to #39 - drewbridge

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(02/02/2013)[-]

It isn't free. It is never free. There is no such thing as "free" healthcare. They're making other people pay for it whether they want to or not. And if you don't, you'll get fined.

There is ALREADY a system for giving people healthcare, and it's called Medicare and Medicaid, and we pay out the ******* ass for it.
We have a tad too much defense spending, and that costs way more than it.

#52 to #51 - rochal

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(02/02/2013)[-]

That is what I meant by free healthcare. I dont think money appears out of thin air =)

#43 to #39 - domitius

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I live in a country with nationalised healthcare and it does a pretty good job which is why I didn't get it. But I see it's more of the ideological issue.

#44 to #43 - rochal

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I dont disagree that free healthcare works well for other nations, its just that with the really bad immigration problem here in america and the fact that obamacare treats anyone who walks into a hospital (regardless of citizenship) its going to plunge us even further into debt and deal even more damage to our already devastated economy

#46 to #44 - domitius

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(02/02/2013)[-]

unless you have been treated medically in another nation with free healthcare, I don't think your opinion has much validity.

#48 to #46 - rochal

Reply-12

(02/02/2013)[-]

I'm sorry that you're so stupid. Go read some books maybe you'll get better.

#49 to #48 - domitius

Reply+3

(02/02/2013)[-]

don't you have some grits to fry?

#50 to #49 - rochal

Reply-12

(02/02/2013)[-]

I actually run 10 miles a day and eat healthy, but nice try fat **** =/

#53 to #50 - domitius

Reply+9

(02/02/2013)[-]

sure whatever you say

#82 to #50 - bobducky

Reply+1

(02/02/2013)[-]

he meant where you work dumbass. go back to your nightshift at wafflehouse. If you had read the books that you claim to read (wikipedia) you would know that the idea of "social Darwinism" kinda got stamped out in the late 1800s when the big robber barons tried to violently keep workers in their factories working for wages not enough to feed themselves. Ever heard of Andrew Carnegie? Tell me you would want to go work for him in his glorious vision of capitalism, then accidentally slip and fall into the machinery, like 45% of workers did back then and when you're good friend "Captain of Industry Carnegie" hears all he's gonna say "better for the world then. good riddance" try being on the side trying to help you out man. you'll last longer

#89 to #50 - anon id: aba3a477

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(02/02/2013)[-]

I wish I could thumb you down even more but I can't. You're extremely uneducated. I'm sorry that whatever educational institution you went to failed you so badly.