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#102 - flufflepuff (01/18/2014) [-]
i just want women to pay for their own ******* abortion.

"It's my body!"

yeah? well it should be your ******* bill, too.
#193 to #102 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
have you ever been to an abortion clinic?
User avatar #46 - delphine (01/18/2014) [-]
OOOOR we could promote the **** out of contraceptives and offer free birth control to anyone, and educate people on how to use them effectively, specially teach about reasons that can render the BCP to be ineffective (the reason I happened was because my mother went on antibiotics and didn't realize it negated her pill) so there are fewer unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
#59 to #46 - sgtxrootbeer ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
well, i really don't think that my tax dollars should go to some couple who are like a pair of rabbits. if they wanna **** , let them. they will not **** on my dollar. these are recreational drugs, therefore i refuse to pay for it
User avatar #75 to #59 - delphine (01/18/2014) [-]
The difference is that recreational drugs to not produce new humans. People are going to **** whether you want them to or not. Would you rather pay for their birth control or pay for the welfare that they and their child will probably need, plus money for schooling? (schools get a certain amount of money for each child that attends their school. it's more than birth control and it comes from our tax dollars)
#79 to #75 - sgtxrootbeer ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
the problem is this faggy couple is spending my tax dollars. i dont mind them doing stuff, its that they are practically stealing money so they can **** and raise a child they prolly never wanted
User avatar #86 to #79 - delphine (01/18/2014) [-]
So how would you suggest solving the problem? You're going to pay for them no matter what.

Personally, I'd be all for sterilizing criminals and drug addicts so they don't bring any innocent kids into the dysfunctional lives they've chosen, but society frowns on that idea.
#91 to #86 - sgtxrootbeer ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
make them pay outta pocket for birth control, if they need wellfare, they dont get it. (they can go to charity, but not the forced collection of the goverment)

ZERO goverment assistance. charity? maybe, goverment? no!
User avatar #81 to #46 - I Am Monkey (01/18/2014) [-]
I don't want to know how you found out that spoiler part.
User avatar #84 to #81 - delphine (01/18/2014) [-]
Well now I'm going to tell you anyway (ha!)



Mom told me. (she wanted me, just not until she'd finished her graduate degree) My mom's a good mother, and actually educated me on contraception and being safe before I was old enough to be sexually active. She didn't let me to be thrown into the world unprepared. BCP works almost 99.99% of the time if used correctly. The only reason they say it works PART of the time is because people use it wrong. It won't work if:

-You're on antibiotics
-You've either vomited or had diarrhea the extra acid in your digestive system prevents it from absorbing the hormones in the pill

-You don't take it at EXACTLY the same time every day. Hormones flush out of your body within 24 hours. If you wait too long to take it, you will ovulate.
-You take it with grapefruit again, acid won't let your body absorb it right


And now if you ever become a woman or have a gf on the pill, you will know how not to get pregnant.
#38 - trickytrickster (01/18/2014) [-]
The opposite is true though. Women can back out of pregnancy but a man can't. A man has no say in whether or not a baby is born. If he doesn't want the kid, he has to pay child support for 18 years regardless.
User avatar #127 - payseht (01/18/2014) [-]
I've never been on the other side of the fence when it comes to abortion because I made up my mind quick which is a mistake. What is the best argument against abortion?
Besides it's killing a human being. It's not. It's a bunch of cells with the potential of becoming a human being. There are natural abortions all the time, like the cell didn't attach to the uterus and is flushed out come next period.
User avatar #126 - darksideofthebeast (01/18/2014) [-]
No, if someone tells me they're on birth control and they get pregnant.
They can **** right off, I would care about my kid, not my hoe girlfriend.

If anything, if parents leave, they should at least support the child if they leave.
Because it is your child.
User avatar #115 - loganhusted (01/18/2014) [-]
Lets start with the content. It is already Illegal for men to abandon their child, weather or not it is voluntary. It is called child support and if men don't pay they go to jail. In fact it is also technically illegal for men to exit most divorces, again willingly or unwillingly thanks to alimony. In California if you get a divorce you are expected to pay alimony for life.

My thoughts. Men should have and really need the same things that women already have when it comes to reproductive rights. We need a form of birth control that we can use and we need the ability to legally surrender all parental rights and obligations to a child. Women already have both of these things. You would get crucified by society if you told a women that she couldn't get an abortion and instead should have kept it in her pants. Why should men be any different.

This would accomplish a number of things. it would give men some agency over reproduction which we don't currently have other than not participating at all. The number of abortions and children put up for adoption would go down. with 20 years worth of income on the line I'm fairly positive no man would "accidentally" forget to take his birth control. It would also reduce the number of single mother. Because women would be held responsible to provide for the child which they currently are not. The man and the government take care of children that women have out of wedlock. Statistically.

These measures would help with overpopulation, poverty, government aid dependence, reduce the size of the state and federal government due to the decrease in revenue from (divorce/child support/ alimony), less children growing up in single mother households which have been shown to increase their risk for all sorts of things from drug use to psychological problems, and many more.

That is pretty much my thoughts on the topic.
User avatar #216 to #115 - nigeltheoutlaw (01/18/2014) [-]
Don't you only have to pay alimony if the woman is unemployed?

There's a male birth control pill in the works, but it will probably be 3-10 years before it's perfected and accepted by the FDA. Preliminary results seem promising, though I have no idea why it took so many years for anybody to bother with birth control options for men. Women have two types of pills, IUDs, implants, shots, patches, rings, sponges, caps, and diaphrams, while all men have aside from condoms are vasectomies, which are a lot more invasive and permanent than should be for a birth control option.

I agree with your further thoughts, but I would go further and say that a man should have no obligation to the child if he decides he doesn't want it prior to birth, as well as him having an equal say in abortion. A woman shouldn't be able to abort a baby without the father's consent, she should have the child and give it to him, and a woman shouldn't be able to force a man to take care of a child that he wanted to have aborted. I normally disagree heartily with people that claim that women have it easier than men, but when it comes to birth control, abortion, and child support, they not only have it easier but they have all the power.
User avatar #314 to #216 - loganhusted (01/18/2014) [-]
I think that women have had it "easier" thought human history. In fact I would even argue that now is the closest men and women have ever been on the who has it easier scale. Men and women have always had their own problems but Women have had their problems taken seriously.
User avatar #40 - thegamerslife (01/18/2014) [-]
I'm pro-choice.
also, child support is a thing.

I firmly believe in some kind of birthing approving system. it would help with over population, affirm partners will stay together (or at least active) in the child's life, financial stability, etc
#194 to #40 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
I've always imagined the ********* christians would have if you ever tried to "limit their god given right to have 22 illiterate children"
User avatar #308 to #194 - thegamerslife (01/18/2014) [-]
well I'm christian and so is my wife and we both agree there should be a process. people like my sister keep popping out kids for bigger welfare checks. she has 8 now, and the doctor refused to deliver this last one unless she signed an agreement that they could fix her while she was still under, right after the kid came out. and they did. she would not have stopped having kids, I can promise that... I hate people like her, who don't love their kids or provide for them, they just ride them like cash cows. :/
the oldest has some serious socializing issues and scares the **** out of me... she is so ******* creepy.
#318 to #308 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/19/2014) [-]
holy **** , give me an address and I'll fix that problem
User avatar #290 - capslockrage (01/18/2014) [-]
It is illegal, that's why they have to pay child support.
#222 - gtfomylawnbish (01/18/2014) [-]
It's mostly ******* and poor white trash who get abortions anyhow. Do we really want to stop this?
#227 to #222 - John Cena (01/18/2014) [-]
I work in an abortion clinic, and I can assure you that this is not the case.   
   
You shouldn't post something you know 			****		 about.
I work in an abortion clinic, and I can assure you that this is not the case.

You shouldn't post something you know **** about.
#230 to #227 - gtfomylawnbish (01/18/2014) [-]
"I work at an abortion clinic"


Lol@ the baby killer. Again, it's mostly nignogs and poor white trash. I'm good with it. Keep up the good work Joseph Goebbels.
#254 to #230 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
it's not. 1 in 3 women will have an abortion by the time their 40. Chances are your mom, aunt, or grandmother had an abortion.
#255 to #254 - gtfomylawnbish (01/18/2014) [-]
My Mother is a Saint!

My mother is a saint!
#256 to #255 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
#257 to #256 - gtfomylawnbish (01/18/2014) [-]
I like you.
#258 to #257 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
I notice you didn't defend your aunt or grandmother? is that due to lack of reactionpics or because your aunt and grandmother, are not in fact, saints?
#260 to #258 - gtfomylawnbish (01/18/2014) [-]
My mom died 2.5 years ago. My aunt was there being a drama queen, while my mother laid there dying my aunt was talking about how terrible it was for... her. "who will I play cards with?" My grandma died when I was around 4-5.

My grandma should have aborted my aunt.
#271 to #260 - allinallout **User deleted account** (01/18/2014) [-]
wow dude your aunt sounds like a stereotypical dumb cunt! Is she dead yet? How did your mom die? Do you want me to be your new aunt?
User avatar #219 - commontroll (01/18/2014) [-]
As a Christian who is against abortion, I'm okay with this.
#202 - coonseth (01/18/2014) [-]
Why don't we just make it socially unacceptable instead? Leave government out of relationships. Stop trying to get them to solve all of your problems for you.
User avatar #191 - drooms (01/18/2014) [-]
Welcome to the comment section.
Below you will find lots of opinions.
User avatar #131 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
you are allowed to give the child away and put it up for adoption.
there's a difference because If a father chooses not to raise the child, the child lives it's somewhat sad life without a father, that's it.
but If a child is aborted, it dies. it gets murdered.
a bad father can ruin a child's life, but abortion ends it.
the only reason deadbeat fathers have such a reputation is because the female is socially obligated to take care of the baby.
the fact that a woman would rather kill the baby rather than giving it to other possible caretakers is much worse than abandoning it.
User avatar #195 to #131 - thebritishguy (01/18/2014) [-]
Well you're equating killing an embryo to killing a baby. There must be a line crossed between human and embryo. The thing is if you say it is a human at 3 weeks then what about 1 day before? So on Monday it is just a lifeless pack of organs which has no meaning and can be killed, it's meaningless, like sperm or period juice. Yet on Tuesday it's a lovely human which must be protected and loved and cared for.
This is obviously a ludicrous idea, there's no clear line where the embryo becomes a human, so I don't think you should just call it a human without considering this dilemna.
User avatar #317 to #195 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/19/2014) [-]
but, the embryo has the chance to grow into a potentially great human.


imagine it like a magikarp that levels up on it's own, and you can give it away when you can't handle a gyrados.
User avatar #319 to #317 - thebritishguy (01/19/2014) [-]
Does the sperm or the egg which floods out not have the potential to be a human either? sperm has just as much potential.

I don't play pokemon, so I don't know what you're talking about.
#98 - landa (01/18/2014) [-]
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#93 - realitycheck (01/18/2014) [-]
We DID. It was called MARRIAGE.
#54 - rockerforlife (01/18/2014) [-]
*child support*
*child support*
#51 - bigmanblue (01/18/2014) [-]
while i agree that abortion should be legal i find this abhorent
think about it when it comes to pregnancy
a women can chose to take the pill
after sex she can take the morning after pill
during pregnancy she (should be able to) can get an abortion
after childbirth she can put the baby up for adoption
basicaly the woman has a huge amount of choice and options on whether or not she will be a mother
the mans options start and end with will he use a condom
if that condom fails or doesnt work in anyway he has no choice in the matter
if that women wants to keep the baby then that guy is paying child suport regardless if he wants to or not because he has no say at all
if the women doesnt want the child but the man does well tough **** because he has no say in anything after the condom
User avatar #109 - wellimnotsure (01/18/2014) [-]
Or...or...or...here's a thought. Keep it in your ******* pants if you cant deal with the possibility of having a kid.
#144 to #109 - John Cena (01/18/2014) [-]
Or...or...or... Here's a thought... Keep yours ******* legs closed, if you can't deal with responsibility of having a child.
User avatar #165 to #144 - wellimnotsure (01/18/2014) [-]
that's what I said
#62 - John Cena (01/18/2014) [-]
>bitch ***** random dudes
>gets pregnant
>omg its my body!
>well, why did you have unprotected sex?
>omfg i do what i want you creep!
>well.. since its your body cant you choose to not have sex, therefore making the pregnancy 100% your fault and now we have a reason to make abortion illegal?
>what about rape omfg! u sexist ass!
less than 1% of abortions are a result of rape/sexual assault.Stupid people. You talk about a woman's right to terminate a baby, yet deny the fact that a live human being is growing inside of her. "but its not a human!!!" yeah, no **** , its not a walking, talking human being who sometimes listens to dubstep on his way to work. Its human in the sense that its the offspring of two humans. which makes it human. just in the very early stages of life. *drinks liberal tears*
User avatar #103 to #62 - Endofzeeworld (01/18/2014) [-]
The fetus has no aspirations, no dreams, no future plans, NO SENTIENCE. And while your fictitious woman might also not have said dreams, other women do, and for making what is a relatively small mistake, they should not have to be punished so severely.
User avatar #218 to #62 - nigeltheoutlaw (01/18/2014) [-]
Yeah, nice made up statistic, brah!
#73 to #62 - yologdog (01/18/2014) [-]
2scared2login
#87 to #73 - John Cena (01/18/2014) [-]
also eeg means the order of electric pulses that pump your heart. i think their is a total of 5. im not sure. anatomy class was a while ago.

So.. what that picture also says that I can go around falcon punching women through their vaginas because im not "killing anything" im disposing of it.

also.. the law is contradictory in the sense that "brain dead" means their is no activity or neuron activation in the brainstem. if you look on a grown human scale yes thats true, but fetuses also have brain activity its just not measurable. so no. theyre not brain dead. it is literally impossible for mammals to die, and rise from the dead. the brain can only survive without oxygen for 3 minutes, and the first trimester of pregnancy lasts 3 months.

check mate, faggit
#90 to #87 - yologdog (01/18/2014) [-]
1. No, fagot EEGs have to do with your head. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

2. Technically it depends how preggo they are, but if you do so before the fetuses gain any EEGs, then no you are not killing anything. It's still rude though.

3. "fetuses also have brain activity its just not measurable." proof it fagit.

4." it is literally impossible for mammals to die, and rise from the dead." Nuh-uh. Jesus did it. But in all seriousness, Shutup. We both know you're trolling, nobody's that stupid. If the fetus is removed before it gets to live then it was never alive to begin with.

5."the brain can only survive without oxygen for 3 minutes, and the first trimester of pregnancy lasts 3 months. " Another troll answer. notice the cord hooked up to the parasite/fetuses belly, feeding it all its oxygen and nutritional needs.

6. You think it's checkmate but you forgot about my trapcard.

7. ">i care about negative values of "thumbs" which means strangers on the internet agree with me/think im funny/valued my post and wanted to somehow show their gratitude which is why I'm 2scared2login"
fixed4u.
#85 to #73 - John Cena (01/18/2014) [-]
>implying i care about negative values of "thumbs" which means strangers on the internet agree with me/think im funny/valued my post and wanted to somehow show their gratitude
User avatar #57 - charagrin (01/18/2014) [-]
I believe marriage should be a difficult and lengthy process, and permanent once gained. No matter what may happen, you chose to make a promise and potentially children, and that means keeping your word. TIll death do you part.
#58 to #57 - prancingkid (01/18/2014) [-]
If you want to change the definition of marriage, why do you act like it's so sacred?
User avatar #60 to #58 - charagrin (01/18/2014) [-]
I dunno, I guess I just believe someones promise should mean something. We live in a world where a persons word is worth less than the dirt on the bottom of their shoes..
#63 to #60 - prancingkid (01/18/2014) [-]
Someone's word has always been dependent on the person, I understand if you dislike the current state of affairs but stopping people who love each other from marrying at their leisure is just punishing the good for the deeds of the bad. But if it's any consolation, I try to make my word mean something.    
   
   
in either case, I think you're wrong
Someone's word has always been dependent on the person, I understand if you dislike the current state of affairs but stopping people who love each other from marrying at their leisure is just punishing the good for the deeds of the bad. But if it's any consolation, I try to make my word mean something.


in either case, I think you're wrong
User avatar #65 to #63 - charagrin (01/18/2014) [-]
If they truly loved each other a piece of paper would not matter, the risk of the act would not deter them. But if they did not..if they doubted their own love...well, if they did not love each other enough to take the time to get married, what makes them think they could weather decades of one anothers company and the difficulty therin.
#66 to #65 - prancingkid (01/18/2014) [-]
I'm sorry but saying when people can and can't get married sounds just a little bit like you just want to punish people for being indecisive. Marriage isn't free, the cost of failure at marriage is an actual cost. If you're talking about regular, spiritual marriage however, you just need a witness and a priest. I guess I just don't see the point of...well, your point. Why exactly do you care that people don't stay in love forever?
User avatar #72 to #66 - charagrin (01/18/2014) [-]
Because it is just one aspect of what is wrong with current society. It is all these "little" things that "don't matter" that add up to one big problem. Unemployment, drop outs, criminals, dead beats, self entitlement, divorce, drug use, the list goes on. Each one by itself doesn't matter, but when you add them together....

Every society has it's problems, I get that. But why should a society let it happen? Why do we baby criminals, give to the greedy, reward deadbeats, and feed the lazy?

I can get that not everyone chooses these lifestyles, but more than a few do.
#76 to #72 - prancingkid (01/18/2014) [-]
I would say that Unemployment, criminals and drug use aren't little things that don't matter but I can see that's not your point. Your point is that you are fed up with what you might call a Cultural Stagnation, you feel like society is getting worse and worse. But I wanna ask you another question, if you'll permit me.   
   
I'm asking anyway   
   
Ahem, what exactly makes you think that we baby, give to, reward and feed bad people? I assume you meant as a national problem because if you're talking about the select few who abuse the system, you're once again punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.
I would say that Unemployment, criminals and drug use aren't little things that don't matter but I can see that's not your point. Your point is that you are fed up with what you might call a Cultural Stagnation, you feel like society is getting worse and worse. But I wanna ask you another question, if you'll permit me.

I'm asking anyway

Ahem, what exactly makes you think that we baby, give to, reward and feed bad people? I assume you meant as a national problem because if you're talking about the select few who abuse the system, you're once again punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.
User avatar #78 to #76 - charagrin (01/18/2014) [-]
At what point does it become worth it to tolerate the many bad, to aid the few good. Is one's life worth more than another? What about ten for one? 50? As for aiding the bad, we do it everyday. Rapists and murders get free food, healthcare, entertainment, warmth, and clothing, while men and woman who would work and contribute if they got the chance starve. That is not a minority, that is the majority. Why does the US have so many prisons? it is not just a case of "more crime", it is that criminals don't fear prison. "Oh no, please don't guarantee me three meals a day, a place to sleep, and shelter from the elements."
#80 to #78 - prancingkid (01/18/2014) [-]
Alright, I'm ending this now because you just showed you have no idea what life after incarceration is like and that just means you have no idea what you are talking about. All you have is your biased, uninformed opinions and your flowery, alarmist attitude. It was a pleasure discussing with you, let me be clear but you would be better served doing some research then continuing to chat with me.   
   
But seriously, no hard feelings
Alright, I'm ending this now because you just showed you have no idea what life after incarceration is like and that just means you have no idea what you are talking about. All you have is your biased, uninformed opinions and your flowery, alarmist attitude. It was a pleasure discussing with you, let me be clear but you would be better served doing some research then continuing to chat with me.

But seriously, no hard feelings
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