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#394 - grapefruity
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#292 - GodOfGodz
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I dont think being gay is a choice or genetic. I think it depends on how you were raised. I know this kid who only hung out with the girls in elementary school, only talked to the girls, and then in high school, I find out hes gay now. My cousin was raised in a house with 3 women, and his dad. His dad (my uncle) is an INSANELY manly man, he hunts, you name something manly, hes done it. Anyway, he kind of forced his manly lifestyle onto my cousin, but he didnt like it and stayed with his mom and sisters, and now hes gay. Just my thoughts.
#341 to #292 - nucularwar
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if it was how you were raised, then the guy with the manly dad would be manly.
#306 to #292 - monkee
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I think it's the other way around, your sexual orientation is decided before you're even born which affects your life decisions. If you look up some of the info into brain sexing, you'll find most gay males have brains very similar to that of a female. No one theory fits everything, but I would see this as the reason your cousin avoided his manly man father before he himself knew he was gay.
#366 to #306 - angrytoilet
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Male brains and females brains are remarkably different. Gay male brains only share one trait with female brains, and that is a relatively small hypothalamus.
#280 - anon
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Gay marriage is a trick question to begin with, its just something to get everyone pissed off about. If you're actually in love with somebody, you don't need to pay some dude with a bible a bunch of cash to tell you can smack lips with your other half.

If everyone minded their own business we wouldn't have these issues, but no, we have being gay people trying to cause a huge ruckus because they suck more dick than the rest of us. That's fantastic, keep it to yourself and nobody will care.

******* hate this society.
#296 to #280 - wernstrom
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Sadly, you have a valid point..haha
#312 to #280 - anon
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I agree with everyone minding their own business, but the thing about marriage is we have given it weight as a process in which people are able to tie their possessions together, and inherent said possessions after death. It also gives them rights to make medical decisions and a whole slew of other perks which they are being denied because we've decided that marriage is the one thing that makes these rights a given, without having to spell it out in a will.
#334 to #280 - payseht
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You can have marriage outside of the church, and the benefits to this are to a degree pointed out by the anon below me, so your argument is null.
#240 - moghulking
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I dont think rape they say rape is god's will though.
#329 to #240 - xgrandmoffx
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I'm with this guy, where did that saying come from?
#227 - anon
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Most of the comments on this post actually made me cry, I have 2 brothers and a step father who all are against gays and against gay marriage. The truth is however that I'm in the closet and so far I'm VERY afraid of coming out because of them.
#228 to #227 - victorianfancyman
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Some of the hardest things to do in life also happen to be the most important



...if you know what I mean ;D
#229 to #227 - Das
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Then don't come out. Why do they need to know? When you're old enough, move away from them and live your life.
#231 to #227 - anon
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Don't come out until they have no influence on you. What I've learned in this world is that people are horrible and biased creatures. They let their view of you influence how they treat you. If you do not meet their specifications they will do anything in their power to make you miserable, they will NOT accept you for how you are. I know what they are.

-Posting as Anon because I never speak seriously on my account.
#317 to #227 - catburglarpenis ONLINE
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Everyone you look up to has one thing in common: they are all unusual. Never be afraid to be unusual, because you just first be unusual before you can become extraordinary. At one point in time, Bill Gates was a nerd who worked on a new technology in his garage. At one point in time, Norman Borlaug was a man that simply studied harder than his friends and didn't go out for beers that often. At one point in time, all Navy SEALs were just "workout nerds" that spent 2 hours a day in the gym instead of being out chasing tail.

You must first be unusual in order to become extraordinary. Picture... Related?
#230 to #227 - captfuckhead
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Be true to yourself, man. They aren't the one that has to live with the choice, it's you whom you see in the mirror everyday, not them. Do what feels right to you deep inside(pun may or may not be intended), and if they disown you for it? **** 'em, not worth your time or the stress. If they try to hurt you for it, time to call the po-pos and file a discrimination suit against 'em.

While I'm at it, anyone got a picture of that spider ******** out the web that says "Follow Your Dreams"?
#249 to #230 - ttubkcid
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#379 to #249 - captfuckhead
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thank you.
#222 - evenx
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Lookout below
#220 - phoenix grinder
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this is the kind of thing that if someone were dumb enough to share it on Facebook or something could start a serious *********. cool post bro straight legit
#245 to #220 - bronybox
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Currently going to go share it on Facebook.
Wish me luck, a few of my friends are probably going to flame me.

Maybe I'll specify.
#399 to #245 - phoenix grinder
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I got here as fast as I could

for the love of God see to it you don't link FJ into this. just post the file
#400 to #399 - bronybox
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I didn't.
#149 - tossed ONLINE
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**tossed rolled a random image posted in comment #127 at Cereal ** how gay he is
#152 to #149 - Sethorein
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.... is he oilin up his gun?!
#165 to #149 - Sethorein
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I stand corrected, he's adding some pepper to his gun.
#139 - anon
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I've never understood why people thought/think being gay is a "choice."
Even when you're straight, you don't CHOOSE who you fall in love with. You can't just look at some woman or man and say "Hey, I'm going to be in love with that person on the other side of the street because I choose to!"
NO. Just ******* NO.
There is no truth in the "I CAN choose, I just don't WANT to." argument, because that's the stupidest ******* **** ever and it is complete and utter ********. If that is your reasoning, you can take it, put it inside of a cactus, and shove that cactus either up your ass or down your throat.
I originally didn't want to "like like" the guy who is now my boyfriend, and whom I love very much. I didn't WANT to, but it just happened, so it's not a ******* choice.
Being gay is not a choice. So you fall in love with another man, or another woman. You can't just choose one day to like the same sex. It's what life is, and being gay is completely, perfectly fine.
#140 to #139 - anon
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tl;dr:
being gay is the same as falling in love, only with the same sex. it's not a choice, and there's nothing wrong with it.
#142 to #139 - vatra
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My father is one of those that thinks it is a choice, and he disowned my brother for being gay.
#154 to #139 - Sethorein
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I totally decided to be straight. It was real tough you know. I was 12 years old and the sexuality fairy dropped by and was all like... "Listen, faggot. You can either be totally fabulous, smell and look amazing but take dicks in your ass, or you can be an average joe but get to touch boobies and like it like... maybe once every couple months".

It was a real tough decision, but you know... I think I chose right.
#199 to #154 - ktjacobs
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Wow. Hilarious. That was the funniest thing I have ever read. Thank you for your contribution. Kindly get cancer and ******* die.
#200 to #199 - Sethorein
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...you really couldn't catch the sarcasm in my entire comment?
#202 to #200 - ktjacobs
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The problem was that it was too much sarcasm. Laid on way thick. And hey, I just want to say I'm sorry about the cancer comment. That was a bit harsh. For all I know, you could have lost a loved one to cancer, and I would have just reminded you of that. I apologize, and hope you can understand that I don't want to become that kind of douche over the internet.
#203 to #202 - Sethorein
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Ya, you just saved yourself a contemptuous "I'm real sorry someone shat in your oatmeal this morning, buddy" reply.

I don't take anything seriously. Generally the more absurd the better in my eyes. Guess outside of friendly people still take themselves seriously..
#205 to #203 - ktjacobs
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I just don't want to be the guy that makes people not want to live on this planet anymore, so I shan't be a troll, unless a troll is necessary.
#206 to #205 - Sethorein
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Good Good. No harm done. Now to deal with another guy who called me a thumbwhore for pointing out a lie being espoused by an anon about the sociological findings that find homosexuals to be bad parents... they don't exist.
#209 to #206 - ktjacobs
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Agreed. I firmly believe that a child is better off with 2 mediocre gay parents than in the best orphanage or foster home.
#210 to #209 - Sethorein
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Ya, the guy replying to me was odd... he asked me if I was american... I replied no so he stopped replying... my guess is he was gonna make a prejudiced insult but couldn't so he had nothing left to say.
#124 - resigneddrip
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**resigneddrip rolled a random image posted in comment #2 at I'm done **
**resigneddrip rolled a random image posted in comment #2 at I'm done **
#120 - amateriandarknut
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Show me specifically where the Bible says rape is God's will, because I don't remember reading that anywhere.
#122 to #120 - ukc
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it's an argument for extreme pro-lifers, who say that even if a woman is raped, there is a bigger plan, and that it is "God's will".
#123 to #122 - amateriandarknut
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Then the post is immediately invalidated because it is what people say, not what the Bible says. Whether or not abortion is acceptable in this case is another argument I'm not going to get into.
#129 to #123 - anon
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Yes, because it's not like the bible was written by people. It's the word of god that one day decided to transform in a book all by itself. you dense ************. Grow up and be done with your kids stories.
#131 to #129 - amateriandarknut
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If you've got nothing intelligent to say, then don't speak.
#126 to #123 - ukc
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Yeah, but people say homosexuality is a choice. The bible doesn't say that, but the people do.
#226 to #126 - frobskottle
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I agree very much so. Sexual orientation isn't a choice for many people. However, I think that it is not a genetic issue, but rather a environmental/ nurture issue. Therefore, many people were not "born this way" but instead raised/conditioned with a psychological disposition to be attracted to the same sex. Granted, some people are born with more feminine/masculine characteristics, but much like a language, gender roles and identities as well as sexual orientation is heavily influenced by environmental factors during formative years. So it is not a choice in a sense of it being like deciding what to wear to school today, but rather a developed habit or pattern of behavior. That is where I think people are being misinformed and also misconstrued.
#398 to #226 - ukc
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Wait, but if people are born with masculine and feminine brains, that doesn't have any effect on sexuality.
And what about bisexual people?

I was raised as a straight male, but obviously that didn't work out, did it? I was never exposed to any "deviant" sexuality whatsoever, I only have one other minority sexuality relation and I've seen him once in my life, he didn't influence me at all. I think the most diverse my upbringing got was love thy neighbour...
#401 to #398 - frobskottle
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Let me say that I do not mean to offend and I am not so sure of my own conclusion to say that I am right. I am only speaking from a perspective of what I have learned from human behavior studies and my own observations. Honestly, I don't know about bisexual people and I do not now about you or your life. From what I have learned, a person's habits and hobbies and preferences are influenced by their genetics, but determined more so by their environment. "Environment" in this sense doesn't exclusively mean what you are exposed to, but also what you are kept from and the events that are out of your control that invoke an emotional response. So it is much more than "deviant sexuality." It could be from a cacophony of things. Good or bad.
#402 to #401 - ukc
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To be honest, I do think it is genetics. Sexual attraction and instinctual urge to reproduce is hardwired into your DNA, and as is well documented and recorded, mutations in those genes occur. I'm happy to accept that sexuality is probably a genetic mutation.

You do hear stories of people raised in strict christian communities, and upon puberty, discovering that they're attracted to the same sex, as well as/instead of the other. I don't think it's a thing that can be altered directly, as in the actual sexuality, but I think the degree of deviancy can probably be influenced by upbringing (i.e. fear of retribution upon discovery)
#130 to #126 - amateriandarknut
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Actually, it does. Romans 1 labels it as a sin, and Romans 8 indicates that sin is a choice.

For you atheists that have it out for the Bible, keep your red thumbs. I'm not debating its legitimacy, I am only clarifying what it says.
#133 to #130 - ukc
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Thanks for straightening that out for me. As a minority sexuality person, I'm not a person of faith, although that has more to do with overt cynicism than fear of the retribution of the Lord or Allah (SWT) or any other god that guides a group.
To be honest, I respect your opinion, at least you're being reasonable, unlike anon.
#136 to #133 - amateriandarknut
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I had my time being an idiot back about six years ago now, but now I've learned there's no purpose to arguing points like that. Deciding what you believe is up to yourself, I just don't like anyone shooting out blatantly wrong things about any form of belief. Let people decide what they think is right without all this bias.
#138 to #136 - ukc
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Thank you brother, the best way to deal with arguments of opinion and belief are to walk away from them and ignore them.
masha'allah, bless you.
#141 to #138 - amateriandarknut
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No problem. You have my respect as well, not a lot of people here will debate this sort of thing without resorting to, well, what that anon did. Thanks, it's refreshing to see this.
#144 to #141 - ukc
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Well, like you, I used to argue my corner with a fury, but there's no point wasting bandwidth, my time and someone else's fighting over something that you're not likely to make an impact upon.
You're welcome, it's nice to know some people can be reasonable from time to time.
#146 to #120 - BroadSword
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#36 - hopskotch
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I feel the presence of homosexual characteristics in other species is some good evidence leaning in the genetics arguments' favor. I don't personally care either way, whatever makes ya'll happy.
#51 to #36 - anon
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Wouldn't that make homosexuality a mental illness?

No offense.
#52 to #51 - hopskotch
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I wouldn't say mental illness is the right term. A different from the majority that are heterosexual, yes, but "illness" refers to an affliction.
#158 to #52 - angrytoilet
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A more appropriate analogy would be eye color. A far smaller percentage of people have blue or green eyes than brown eyes. This can be related to a far smaller percentage of people being homosexual than heterosexual. It's genetic variation, plain and simple. And, because we no longer have to worry about natural predators and reproduction is not so urgent a drive to continue the species, heterosexuality has little evolutionary superiority as it comes to humans in this epoch.
#211 to #158 - hopskotch
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Perfectly said
#343 - KungFuZerO
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This is just a guess, so feel free to critique, but I feel like although homosexuality is almost never a choice, it can be. My sister was born with a bad set of genetics that make her physically unattractive to men (dark arm/leg/facial hair, medically untreatable acne, relatively tall, etc) and she has recently come out after living in an all-female co-op. My guess is that her lack of male attention her whole life and her feeling of acceptance and belonging with rougher, manlier women has led to her choosing to be gay. I could be completely wrong about it too.
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#303 - dinosaurballs
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I don't understand why homosexuality CAN'T be a choice. A lot of lesbians go gay because men don't cut it or something traumatizing has happened to them involving men. They can choose to trust men again and keep being straight or they can choose to drop the D completely and go gay. I suppose it's the same for gay men as well. Sometimes people are just horny son of bitches that'll **** anyone and all it ever is about is sex, not necessarily "preference" whether or not the sex their having at the time is homo or hetero. I don't think homosexuality is something that's genetic or passed on through family but I do believe it can be developed in your chemistry or mind set when you're a kid. Anyway, Christians who are well educated in their religion don't actually care about what you do in bed or who you do it with. They aren't all bigots...
#232 - Classic
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Rape is gay
#236 to #232 - bitchplzzz
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n-no u
#274 to #232 - darksideofthebeast
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Hey, Don't knock it 'til ya try it.
#181 - yojo
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I still don't get how people can even say that?
Can a straight man really just choose to like dicks? Because I sure as **** can't.
#258 to #181 - vortexrain ONLINE
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You could still decide to suck one, or take it in the ass.
The same with homosexuals.
You could like men, but not act on those urges.
#259 to #258 - vortexrain ONLINE
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Do not take this has an anti-homosexual comment. I'm very pro-gay...stuff.
#301 to #259 - yojo
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But I don't see why anyone would choose that? Taking it up the ass or sucking a dick have to be in my top 10 things I would not do for almost any reason. And gays are treated like ****. I wouldn't wanna be one of those
#98 - rakaka
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wait who is this directed to? I've been christian all my life and have never heard rape is God's will or "happens for a reason" except when people rant about bieber tweeting so
#93 - trickytrickster
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Who ever says that rape is God's will is an idiot. God would never will anything evil. That doesn't even make sense if you are a Christian.
#103 to #93 - ivoryhammer
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Well God did some pretty horrible stuff in the Bible, telling Cain to kill Abel, flooding the earth, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. Dooming people to hell for not believing in it, exiling Adam and Eve for eating a fruit. God is kind of a dick.
#197 to #103 - ijpowers
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Most of those statements are false. I don't know where you're getting your information but its wrong.
I would go into more detail but I want to avoid leaving a rant in the comments.
#116 to #103 - trickytrickster
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Well God doesn't send anyone to hell, they choose to go there themselves. But like I said, any true Christian would understand that those actions were justified because God has perfect judgement. From an outside point of view you would obviously disagree.
#28 - anon
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The whole premise of 'choice or genetic' is stupid. We don't know whether it is a genetic trait, or situational from upbringing or some sort of unconscious 'choice.' If a 'gay gene' were found then that would end the debate but it hasn't so it's incorrect to make the assertion that it is (Thats not how the scientific process works folks.)

With that said, why the **** does it matter HOW it comes about? Homosexuality really should be a non-issue because the only people that have problems with it are bigotted idiots basing their thoughts on fear or archaic ********. By even trying to combat the 'It's a choice and therefore somehow bad!' brigade by saying - without the proper evidence - that it's genetic, you simply fuel the bigot fire. What you should say instead is 'So ******* what?'
#57 to #28 - feelythefeel
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

It's not cemented, but completely scoffing off the idea of a "gay gene" (Which in and of itself is a gross over simplification of the subject) is just stupid.
#88 to #57 - anon
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Way to completely miss his point. He was pointing out that it's redundant to even acknowledge someones negative oppinion and give them a debate because it's an inherantly flawed perspective to begin with. There's also no 'scoffing' at the idea, but a simple statement that it hasn't yet been discovered or proven to a scientific standard and therefore should not be presented as such. That is what separates science from bigotry.
#91 to #88 - feelythefeel
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I'm not denying his other points (I in fact agree with them), I'm just saying that he should treat the idea of a "gay gene" with a little more validity.