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#51 - lordraine ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
Sometimes, I regret the fact that the movies have brought in all these new fans. I feel like I spend more time explaining **** to people now than I do talking with people about the the things I'm explaining.

The Asgardians are aliens. They are also gods. They are a race of gods, and they don't live on planet Earth. So this entire content is basically wrong. Alien and god are not mutually exclusive, especially in the Marvelverse. This isn't ******* Stargate, where all gods are just sufficiently advanced aliens. They're actual gods, like that time the crew of the Enterprise met Apollo. You know. The Greek god. They actually met him. He's up there. Totally legit.

And if it wasn't Apollo, I apologize, it's been years since I watched the originals. But the basic point remains, even if I god the god wrong.

They are gods. They're also aliens, because they aren't 'from' here, but they're gods.


I can only imagine how much **** I'm going to have to explain once they start doing Guardians of the Galaxy and Dr. Strange. Jesus you guys, we've got a wiki and everything.
#42 - deaththekidd (07/22/2013) [-]
pretty stupid to not know that kyle has also met moses, thus still justifiable to be jewish
User avatar #166 to #42 - drtrousersnake (07/22/2013) [-]
Half of christian beliefs are near copy pasta from the Tanakh with some minor changes so Jesus's divinity would be canon. This section of the bible is known as the old testiment.
User avatar #60 to #42 - srskate (07/22/2013) [-]
moses is part of the christian beliefs too.
#128 to #60 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
jews do believe that jesus existed, just ot that he was the son of god
#46 to #42 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
You must be legitimately retarded or just not educated in your belief. Moses is part of the jewish religion he's the one who helped the jews escape Egypt.
#45 to #42 - thatsdrfryetoyou (07/22/2013) [-]
and everyone met Mormon God and then we remembered it's a cartoon... Mormonism can't be right, can it?
#64 to #45 - emrakul (07/22/2013) [-]
Catholic guy, I certainly hope not...
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#33 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
well the whole south park saw mohammed too, but they're still christian. what about that?
User avatar #35 to #33 - TwelveCharlie (07/22/2013) [-]
True, I guess they should all be towelheads
User avatar #31 - WakaTakaBang (07/22/2013) [-]
It's never said in the comic books that Tony Stark is an atheist. He says he only believes in science in one issue, but in another he is seen praying.
User avatar #34 to #31 - TwelveCharlie (07/22/2013) [-]
I don't think he said it in the movies, but he implied it.
User avatar #30 - goldmanhoudek (07/22/2013) [-]
the avengers are gay
User avatar #26 - TwelveCharlie (07/22/2013) [-]
I like the "Found the Christian" comments, I'm a Deist actually, however, if I actually met Jesus, I think I'd probably believe in him afterwards, don't you?
User avatar #27 to #26 - lolwatthe (07/22/2013) [-]
I believe the Judaic religion accepts that Jesus existed and is maybe a prophet yet not the son of god/god himself.
User avatar #29 to #27 - TwelveCharlie (07/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, not believing Jesus was the son of God is one thing, but not believing he existed wouldn't be real bright, however, I've seen bits and pieces of SP with Jesus in it, I think they portrayed him as definitely the son of God, perhaps a fan can tell us.
#16 - dogooder (07/22/2013) [-]
Jews believe that Jesus was a real person.
Just not the son of God
#227 to #16 - popnotes (03/06/2014) [-]
It is my belief that Jesus Christ was a cool guy who was cool to people the end.
It is my belief that Jesus Christ was a cool guy who was cool to people the end.
#78 to #16 - pervertodores (07/22/2013) [-]
Also Islam recognizes Jesus as prophet of god/allah/etc and Islam recognizes Moses as prophet of God/allah/etc. Me?Still atheist
#122 to #78 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
Islam is fake
#131 to #122 - mrcinnamon (07/22/2013) [-]
I'm not sure what that means...
#49 to #16 - sparkysparkybooman (07/22/2013) [-]
Jesus in south is the son of god tho. Didn't he perform miracles or godly **** in the show? And was in heaven and all that? Imagination land? Anyone?
#38 to #16 - chudboy (07/22/2013) [-]
Jesus was documented, so there is proof that he actually existed. But obviously, what he spouted (son of god etc) was debatable. (forgot to login)
#37 to #16 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
Jesus was documented, so there is proof that he actually existed. But obviously, what he spouted (son of god etc) was debatable.
#132 to #37 - mrcinnamon (07/22/2013) [-]
Actually the historical evidence for Jesus is a bit unreliable - both Tacitus and Josephus were more reporting on what Jesus' followers believed and used second hand reports of his existence... I think... I have a vague memory of this from studying it in 1st year of college...
#32 to #16 - hillbillypowpow (07/22/2013) [-]
Kyle personally killed Jesus and watched him come back to life.
User avatar #36 to #32 - hates (07/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, because he's the only person in South Park to die and come back to life
#41 to #36 - Slicernicer (07/22/2013) [-]
But they never remember Kenny dying ever.
User avatar #17 to #16 - malific (07/22/2013) [-]
Exactly.
#68 to #17 - drtennant (07/22/2013) [-]
If you go by actual christian teachings we're all sons and daughters of god, which just makes the point moot in the 			*******		 first place.
If you go by actual christian teachings we're all sons and daughters of god, which just makes the point moot in the ******* first place.
User avatar #180 to #68 - rieskimo (07/22/2013) [-]
Actually if you read the bible we are all sons of Adam and Eve, and in a roundabout way we are all called the children of god. What made Christ significant was the fact that he was a direct descendant of God's. God made whoopie with some virgin and that chick had Jesus(and good ol' Joe was suspiciously cool with all of this).
User avatar #213 to #180 - drtennant (07/22/2013) [-]
I generalized, but once again I don't take stock in books.. or maybe I should start, I know curious george is curious because it says so in a book.
User avatar #214 to #213 - rieskimo (07/22/2013) [-]
Look, I'm an agnostic. I take all scripture in all forms with a grain of salt; but the scripture, as I understand, is there as a teaching device. A pool to pull from to guide people.

I'm in no way spiritual, but I can appreciate religion and what it does for people.

inb4 hurr durr religion is evil (there have been billions of people who have faithfully followed religions and used religion for good. Probably more than the asshole who have used it for bad)
User avatar #225 to #214 - drtennant (07/23/2013) [-]
Not getting into theological debate, but i'm right there with you.
#11 - fireyvoidence (07/22/2013) [-]
For the love of **** don't get so religiously hyped that you start making up stuff to satisfy your own stubborn beliefs. The writer of Thor has on several occasions said that Loki and Thor indeed are gods. Thor was created because Stan Lee wanted to create a character who could stand against the Hulk, and the writers realized that the only beings that would be able to stop the Hulk are gods.

Yes, Thor and Loki are gods, people need to stop letting their irrationality distort their opinions on true facts.
#191 to #11 - wagastragas ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
right now on the marvel multiverse, loki and thor arent concidered as gods, there is alot of **** like gods of gods of gods and the god of everything and celestials beings ans **** so basicly they are just scum too much crap to explain it with detail
#167 to #11 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
"Loki is one of several powerful beings from the magical realm of Asgard, who have been worshipped as gods."

More on Marvel.com: marvel.com/universe/Loki#ixzz2Zn7E5jkQ

#158 to #11 - kanali (07/22/2013) [-]
In the comics, yeah they're gods, but in the movies they're not.
User avatar #97 to #11 - scorcho (07/22/2013) [-]
>true facts
>from comic books
User avatar #218 to #97 - fireyvoidence (07/22/2013) [-]
There can be true facts the are derived from comic books o-0

Thor and Loki are gods, that's a true fact. The writers wrote them to be so, therefore even though they are not real, the fact that they are gods is still a true fact

Saying that these things aren't facts is silly, and implying that comic books/books/movies are a bunch of opinions.
#77 to #11 - anon (07/22/2013) [-]
so srsly no1 takes into consideration that thor is a Viking/Norse God??? (aswell as Loki) and that the makers of the Hulk just took the God (wich i beleive to be the only really badass and epic god there is except in he movies, he kinda sucks there and changed literally nothing to him. (maybe only his looks). So wether you look at the movie facts or the real facts. He is either way a God.
User avatar #75 to #11 - skaffanl (07/22/2013) [-]
But according to Eternity and Death (our entire reality) there is only one God and that it the One-Above-All. If the whole of Marvel reality says there is but one God than isn't that the truth?
User avatar #59 to #11 - srskate (07/22/2013) [-]
In the movies, from which we are drawing our facts, they are aliens.
User avatar #103 to #59 - ruebezahl (07/22/2013) [-]
What is the difference between a god and an incredibly alien who is worshipped as a god?

There is no difference whatsoever.
#62 to #59 - fireyvoidence (07/22/2013) [-]
... you're really going to derive your facts from the movie?   
   
....... not... you know.....   
   
...............the creators of thor themselves?
... you're really going to derive your facts from the movie?

....... not... you know.....

...............the creators of thor themselves?
User avatar #63 to #62 - srskate (07/22/2013) [-]
Notice that the pictures are from the movies?

We are going off the movieverse for this one. Not for every argument. Just this one.
User avatar #65 to #63 - fireyvoidence (07/22/2013) [-]
Just because the pictures are from the movies doesn't mean that we have to talk about the movie (Which, I do recall the Black Widow calling them gods)

No matter how you look at it, Thor and Loki are still characters; whether being displayed in a movie, comic, game, etc., they are characters and their canon facts are written in stone by none others than the writers themselves. They created the characters, so they get to define them, and in this case, the creators define them as gods.

In addition, movies are always inaccurate due to either time issues or the fact the director does not agree with what's given to him and wants to spice up the movie for the sake of the viewers. Movies are never 100% accurate to what they represent (books, comics, historical events, etc.) and so taking the movies word over the original source's is just plain silly. If you had a friend who witnessed 9/11 and he told you that he did not see explosions at the base of the tower, would you believe him or some random TV show with a theorist who claims he has 'first hand accounts' of the explosion?

User avatar #66 to #65 - srskate (07/22/2013) [-]
Bro, you don't have to explain to me that the two are different. I get that.

And comparing this to 9/11 isn't exactly valid. 9/11 happened one way. Fiction happens in many ways.

A better analogy is fanfiction. Consider the movie is fanfiction. We are going off the fanon for this specific conversation, not the canon.
Black Widow called them gods because, to us, they basically are. Their technology and biology ***** us that badly.
User avatar #28 to #11 - TwelveCharlie (07/22/2013) [-]
Provide links, because I've watched the movies, and I'm pretty sure one of the defining characteristics of a god, is immortality, which they don't have, and "These guys come from legend, they're basically gods" doesn't sound like they're actually gods to me.
User avatar #104 to #28 - ruebezahl (07/22/2013) [-]
The defining characteristic of a god is immortality? Then how come that in most mythologies, gods actually die?
#43 to #28 - cornerdav (07/22/2013) [-]
i do recall Jesus dying that one time
User avatar #19 to #11 - YllekNayr (07/22/2013) [-]
"people need to stop letting their irrationality distort their opinions on true facts. "

>religion
#24 to #19 - foreveraloneninja (07/22/2013) [-]
Last time I checked we are talking about a fictional world here, so yes regardless of your beliefs in reality there are gods in this fictional reality.
Last time I checked we are talking about a fictional world here, so yes regardless of your beliefs in reality there are gods in this fictional reality.
User avatar #25 to #24 - YllekNayr (07/22/2013) [-]
.....yeah, that's kind of the point. This fictional world has gods whether you like it or not.
#9 - trollmobile (07/22/2013) [-]
really?
thor and loki aren't gods?
so you're saying if zeus and poseidon were to shop up, they wouldn't be gods either?

or if shiva or vishnu showed up? those would be aliens?
User avatar #44 to #9 - xdeathspawnx (07/22/2013) [-]
actually zeus, poseidon, shiva, and vishnu are all in marvel comics...
marvel.wikia.com/Olympians
marvel.wikia.com/Daevas
The idea is that many gods from ancient cultures are actually aliens who visited Earth in the past and were worshiped as gods.
User avatar #10 to #9 - trostell (07/22/2013) [-]
The superhero Thor is supposedly the basis for the god, but isn't actually the god. They are near-immortal creatures from another dimension, referred to as Asgard. Therefore, they actually are aliens, though the Vikings revered them as gods.
User avatar #21 to #10 - killthebilly ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
in the nordic mythology they were gods, living in Asgaard, connected to the earth by rimfrost or whatever that rainbow bridge is called. They lived in the sky, which is why the valkyries also had wings so they could travel forth between Asgaard and the earth to select the vikings that would come to Valhalla.

They aren't aliens in neither the mythology or the comic series. The writers have said that he is a god, as gods are the only thing capable of standing against the hulk.
#12 to #10 - trollmobile (07/22/2013) [-]
other way around dimwit.
User avatar #13 to #12 - trostell (07/22/2013) [-]
Actually, the idea for the superhero is based on the god, Thor, BUT, the superhero's family all share the same traits as Norse gods, live in Asgard, and are nigh immortal beings that can travel between dimensions. According to the history of the superhero, he saved humanity long ago, during the age when Vikings ruled the seas, and thus, he and his family were revered as gods by the Vikings.
#14 to #13 - trollmobile (07/22/2013) [-]
such are the reasons why i hate marvel's commercialized corruption of the mythology.

i bet loki didn't even give birth to Odin's horse in their version.
#18 to #14 - kuci ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
Norse mythology sure is funny, but also retarded
User avatar #22 to #18 - killthebilly ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
might be retarded, but still better than christianity.
User avatar #15 to #14 - trostell (07/22/2013) [-]
I haven't dug that far into it, not being much of a comic book fan myself. I still think Loki is all kinds of ****** up to father a wolf and an 8 legged horse, though.
User avatar #23 to #15 - killthebilly ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
and a sea-serpent, not to forget.
User avatar #20 to #15 - derpwolf (07/22/2013) [-]
I think Slepnir had six legs? Don't forget he also gave birth to Jormandur the World Serpent, and Hel, the ruler of Helheim. I am so bad at spelling almost everything in Norse Mythology, forgive me.
#8 - iaintmad (07/22/2013) [-]
found the christian
User avatar #6 - saintkarlos (07/22/2013) [-]
lets play spot the Christian, found him!
#4 - anon (07/21/2013) [-]
jezus was jewish, and he had never the intention to make a new belief,
#5 to #4 - wowewowe (07/21/2013) [-]
"Christianity" was his intended path for Judaism, but it had a lot of differences. While the Jews back then were considered an ethnic group, "Christianity" was available to all races and heritage lines. It also broke a lotta Jew religious laws.   
   
Evidently, it didn't catch on with many of the then-current Jews, and a huge controversy erupted from the old-Judaism and the new-Judaism's cultural differences, so they named the new-Juadism "Christianity".
"Christianity" was his intended path for Judaism, but it had a lot of differences. While the Jews back then were considered an ethnic group, "Christianity" was available to all races and heritage lines. It also broke a lotta Jew religious laws.

Evidently, it didn't catch on with many of the then-current Jews, and a huge controversy erupted from the old-Judaism and the new-Judaism's cultural differences, so they named the new-Juadism "Christianity".
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