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#278 - lordvimless
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(06/21/2013) [-]
#164 - thebritishguy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
but if everyone just pirated films then there would be no money to make films and there would be no films, this is real simple ****
#168 to #164 - boomyturtle
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I guess the same thing could be said about the music industry and downloading music...awwwwwww maaaan....now i can't get my twelve foot solid gold statue of myself because of illegal downloads...hmph
#171 to #168 - thebritishguy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
well films take a hell of a lot of money to make and the money is shared with many different people, it's different from music
#173 to #164 - sodapops
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(06/21/2013) [-]
People spend about the same amount on media entertainment as they have always done. They cant afford more than 80 euro each month so they buy games and pirate the movies... or vice versa. The idea that piracy costs someone anything is ridiculous. It's like seeing someone pick berries on your land and claim you have lost money but you wouldn't have picked those berries in any case.

Myself, I buy all the movies, albums and games I REALLY want. If I happen to enjoy a few outside of the law... Meh. Come at me brah.
#192 to #173 - thebritishguy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
but rather than spending money on media you are getting it for free, so the money you would have spent on media goes to something else, therefore the media companies lose money. A good analogy would be to put a sign outside the berry farm saying "free berries" so that all the people who go to the berry farm just get the free berries rather than giving the farmer money for the berried, eventually he would go out of business.
#203 to #192 - sodapops
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Nope. The only difference is, 10 years ago I didn't watch those movies or listen to those songs at all.

I see yopu don't get my point at all, so let's say it again.

**People spend all the money they can on entertainment.******
They alway spend the same, people pirating everything is a minority, the trick is making a product customers want to buy (ie special editions and special content). The market changes but the money doesn't. Piracy doesn't hurt the industy at all, it's exactly the same as when we copied LP records to cassette tapes in the 70s and you are so wrong it's not even funny.
#226 to #203 - thebritishguy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
people don't spend as much money as they can on entertainment, if there is a way to get the entertainment for free then of course they will do that. The people who pirate films are usually middle class kids who can easily afford media. It's like this
I buy a CD for £10: the company gets some of the money which helps them to make more CD's and pays for the sound engineers, manufacture, recording, artist, advertising etc. of the CD
I download a CD for free instead of buying the CD: Instead of the conpany getting some of the money which would have paid for the creation of the CD and future CD's. Nobody gets any money at all, you just get a free CD. The workers get no money for creating the CD and so they can't create more CD's or future CD's and the sound engineers, advertisers etc. could lose their jobs.
#317 to #226 - sodapops
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Of course it's a kind of theft, but let me repeat myself: You are so very very wrong and any and all answers to this post will be considered troll or/and bosiness posts.

Seriously, are you that stupid in real life? That means you have reached your post limit on account of being a troll so don't bother replying.


/ the guy who buys records on LP because of sound quality.
#354 to #317 - thebritishguy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
.....you have not explained how I am wrong, you have not refuted any of my claims, you keep repeating yourself, you have provided no reasonable arguments, you keep calling me stupid but you are unable to refute my claims, so if I'm stupid you must be even more stupid.
You sir, are the troll.
#83 - mckinkymcormic
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(06/21/2013) [-]
mfw it takes 3 days to DL Dr. Who 1-5
mfw it takes 3 days to DL Dr. Who 1-5
#76 - dennisc
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Film piracy isn't costing the film industry anything. It's just not giving them the money that people didn't have to spend on it. If people don't have the money then it cant go into the economy anyway.
#71 - butiloveu
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#22 - faithrider
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(06/21/2013) [-]
piracy is not theiving. piracy is taking a copy, thieving is taken the real thing. in piracy the original stays the same. imagine someone stealing your car but it's still there the next morning.

yes i saw this on fp like 30 minutes ago. i just figured it's relevant now...
#23 to #22 - ThpiderMan
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(06/21/2013) [-]
stealing present participle of steal (Verb)
Verb
Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right

Keep in mind that intellectual property isn't a messy grey area. Your logic is flawed and really juvenile. I don't dislike pirates. I do dislike people trying to moralize it or make it seem like something it isn't.
#44 to #23 - tylosaurus ONLINE
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Someone bought it first.
The person who bought it puts it up, because he's now the owner.
Therefore it can't be stealing.
#393 to #44 - ThpiderMan
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(06/22/2013) [-]
That's ridiculous. Buying digital property is not a transferal of intellectual property to you. What you said is complete nonsense. You own a one-off copy of the item for your use. What do you think all those ******* agreements you click "I Agree" on say?

"Here, take my program and give it to others because when you bought Sony Vegas it's now yours, you captain of industry! Congrats!"

Your statement shows you don't understand the concept of legal ownership of digital properties. Buying a game does not make you the "Owner" of the game. That would be ******* anarchy, a movie could be released digitally, downloaded, and then dispersed with no repercussions. If that was the case, no one would develop digitally. We would be stuck in an age of physical media, and it would be due to ignorance like yours.

That is unless you were sarcastic, because sarcasm is hard to surmise in text, good sir.
#409 to #393 - tylosaurus ONLINE
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(06/22/2013) [-]
Sure thing bro.
Guess we can just bypass this digital stuff by buying the CD and then burning it down on multiple other CD's. I mean, it's essentially the same. Copying something and then giving it out for free.
It's not stealing, it has the name "Piracy" for a reason. It's because you copy something illegally. If you think that just breaking a law equals stealing, then you're wrong here buddy.
I didn't say you're the owner of everything. You're the owner of that and you can rub it against your asshole if that's what you want.
#424 to #409 - ThpiderMan
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(06/23/2013) [-]
I didn't say breaking the law equals stealing, i was saying pirating equals stealing in almost ever sense of the word. I understand where you're coming from and agree with you mostly but it doesn't change that it's stealing.
#24 to #23 - krobeles
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I dont really know. I think i heard some metal band member say at one point, that they earned next to no money from the CD's, and that the real money was in live gigs and merchandise.
If thats true, i cant see a problem with pirating. Its still doing something illigal. I wouldn't call it stealing, since, as has been pointed out, you dont deprive anyone of anything. That said, its still illigal and i understand why. I just disagree with the basis for why its illigal.
#25 to #24 - ThpiderMan
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I wasn't even considering music in that equation. Piracy is more a problem in independent game development and software.
#26 to #25 - krobeles
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(06/21/2013) [-]
In that area, i can sort of grasp the logic behind it.
Games these days are rather cheap, and the small companies needs the cash.

Not sure i agree with the software part. I was looking to get Sony Vegas a few years ago for some random **** i was just doing for the lulz, and the price of it was a whooping 200$ or something. Number might be off, but it was insanely expensive. Software just shouldn't cost that much...
#27 to #26 - ThpiderMan
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(06/21/2013) [-]
First you have to understand that software like that is meant for companies to buy in bulk to make it cheaper. Licenses good company wide. Software like that isn't for the average joe movie editor. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's stealing no matter how you want to frame the situation, whether it's a 99 cent song, a 60 dollar game, or 300 dollar software. You are taking something that someone else worked hard for.

You can't compartmentalize and start saying things like "The artists don't even get the money!" because blaming corporations for stealing form the artists is just retarded, backwards, childish logic. If an artist allows themselves to be put into a situation where they are being taken advantage of, that is their fault. Their mistake. The world is geared to **** them over, but just look at Mojang. You don't need the corporations for success. If you rely on them for it then curse them for taking too much of the profits, that's just bad business, and in no way grounds for justifying piracy.

All that being said, I've pirated before and don't judge people for pirating. But people arguing that it isn't stealing are wrong, and it upsets me that they think it's a moral or even debatable issue.
#28 to #27 - krobeles
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Well, I dont think i agree that its the artists fault. If the only way they can get any kind of recognition is by whoring themselves out to the big corporations, they dont really have a choice, and its not their fault.

I understand your issue, but i dont agree with that either. While i too find it laughable how some people try to say it "Isn't stealing", i think i find it silly for different reasons.
I find it silly, because legal vs illigal and this notion of stealing itself, are only something we've constructed as a society. Instead of saying it isn't stealing, these people should try to argue why it shouldn't be considered stealing.
Thats something i could get behind.
#29 to #28 - ThpiderMan
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(06/21/2013) [-]
You can argue that it shouldn't be considered wrong, but when there's a great deal of people working towards something releasing, and are reliant on the income that this generates, it's pretty selfish to act like it's the right thing to do.
#35 to #29 - vatra
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(06/21/2013) [-]
It's theft, and I'm okay with that.
#395 to #35 - ThpiderMan
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(06/22/2013) [-]
I agree entirely. Your statement is literally the entirety of my argument. I don't care when people pirate or steal, but trying to act like it's a righteous or somehow robin-hood-esque piss me off.
#397 to #395 - vatra
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(06/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, I get that.
#398 to #397 - ThpiderMan
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(06/22/2013) [-]
I had a classmate in college that told me he was sticking it to EA and those assholes when he pirated "The Binding of Isaac". Those are the people that should be spit-roasted by a team of big-dicked lizard-men.
#399 to #398 - vatra
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(06/22/2013) [-]
I just laugh, they think they are being all badass and sticking it to the man. It's like nah dude, you're just a small time thief, which I'm guilty of too, but still.
#400 to #399 - ThpiderMan
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I'm fine with it because you call it what it is. He has tons of family money and rips off indie developers and then feels like he's doing great things, leading developers to stop making games because there games are becoming pure boondoggle.
#401 to #400 - vatra
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Yeah, usually I only do it when I really want to try a game but cannot afford it, if I really like it, I might buy it when I get a chance.
#402 to #401 - ThpiderMan
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(06/22/2013) [-]
Me too sir, or when the DRM is annoying and requires the disc to stay in the tray, I usually download a cd crack just to keep my computer from overheating.
#403 to #402 - vatra
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(06/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, I've never done that, but it sounds like a good idea.
#404 to #403 - ThpiderMan
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I don't care if it's illegal, I have Age of Empires 3 and the expansions about 8 feet away from me on a shelf, and it's pretty BS to require you to spin a disc constantly for a game that requires a full install. Same with Fable and Oblivion. It's like a 5 mb download that tricks your computer into thinking the disc is still in the tray.

It just makes sense.
#405 to #404 - vatra
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(06/22/2013) [-]
That does make sense, get a lot better processing without the disc having to run the whole time.
#406 to #405 - ThpiderMan
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That and my laptop is sheer metal and has ****** ventilation, and spinning a disc makes it overheat in about an hour and a half of play. That's barely enough time for a game of age.
#407 to #406 - vatra
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(06/22/2013) [-]
That's very true, my laptop barely gets through a movie before I have to let it cool off
#309 - pyrusd
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(06/21/2013) [-]
The way I view Piracy since I didn't see anyone mention it.

1. To me it's a demo. If the item is good enough, I'll buy the real thing and support whoever made it.

2. If the item sucks and id contingent on me paying you FIRST before I get it, that is an unfair business practice to begin with. Think of any other instance where this happens and the customer is the winner. Plumber says just pay for my services then I'll stop by. Mechanic says just pay me before I fix your car. This doesn't happen in the "real world." Either an even exchange or payment after services rendered.

3. The complaint about piracy is theft. Theft implies the original is taken without consent. What was taken? You could argue money, which the folks have done, but again unfair business practice. Why should I give you money ahead of time and not know what I'm getting just to not be able to return the item and have you call it "theft" if I view / listen to it without paying you?

4. TV shows are largely pirated. When we have 0 methods of buying them to view them, how are we "stealing" something that isn't even available to buy? So if no money can be gained to begin with, how are you losing money?
#323 to #309 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Your logic is "I can't buy TV shows, they must be free?"

I thought pirates were supposed to be smart with all the BS justification they have to do to clear their conscience.
#325 to #323 - pyrusd
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(06/21/2013) [-]
No, my logic is, if I can't buy it how are YOU losing money.
#328 to #325 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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Also, are you implying that if someone you don't know loses money from pirating, you don't care?
#333 to #328 - pyrusd
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Right, why would I care? I'm a photographer and people use my images all the time. They're not making any money off of it and they're not stealing any money from me. My watermark is all over the image so I get credited for it.
#342 to #333 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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Okay, sure, so if they're using your images, but not making any money off of it, you're fine.

However, the TV show is losing money because you pirated it. I'm glad you brought two completely different circumstances to the table, it really clears things up.
#356 to #342 - reycall ONLINE
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(06/21/2013) [-]
.... but he would not buy it any ways..... so how is the studio loosing cash?


man A has 0$

there is a movie for 25$

the man does not have 25$ so he wont buy the movie

he pirates it.

by pirating it the studio loses 25$... wait.... he didn't ever have 25 dollars.... so how did the studio lose money that never existed?


answer that?

i though you anty piracy dudes where smart? que paso?
#434 to #356 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(06/23/2013) [-]
The man could've earned $25 to go see the movie.

Boom. Your ship has sank faster than a rock.
#327 to #325 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(06/21/2013) [-]
What if I'm credited on the show? That means whatever revenue is generated from the show goes to me, part of it anyway.

Revenue comes from ads.
There's no ads if you pirate a show.

Thus, no money is made from a pirated show. Wow, that was quite a logical journey we took. I'll understand if you didn't follow all that.
#360 to #327 - reycall ONLINE
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(06/21/2013) [-]
but the.... ads where already paid for... it does not matter if anyone watches them.


step up senpai
#330 to #327 - pyrusd
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Of course I don't follow because nothing of what you're saying is making sense. A tv show airs tomorrow night. Whether or not I watch it is irrelavent because the Ads are still there. Now, If I want to watch it on Sunday, I can't and I can't buy it either because it's not available so how is downloading it taking away any money?

If EVERYONE pirated then yes there would be no revenue because the advertisers wouldn't want to be on your show because they wouldn't make any money. Not my fault you're not making any sense dude.
#332 to #330 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Is the concept of "ratings" entirely alien to you?
#339 to #332 - pyrusd
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(06/21/2013) [-]
But I'll be back, have to go to a concert that I paid for because I support the artist, and I know what I'm getting as a product before I go. I'm sure I'll be able to watch videos of it on youtube later for free, cause apparently that will also cost him money...
#343 to #339 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I'm glad you're not a total loser and you actually do pay for things.
#334 to #332 - pyrusd
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(06/21/2013) [-]
What does ratings have to do with stealing, money, or piracy?
#340 to #334 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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.......Wow. I'm going to have to actually explain this.

Okay, so...ratings (you still with me?) garner how much the network can charge the advertisers for commercial time. More ratings (hold on, I'm about to blow your mind) mean a higher price for commercial time, which leads to the show making money. Pirates cause ratings to go down, which leads to a lower asking price for commercial time.

So let me try to sum it up in a way you can understand, hopefully.

Ratings = Worth of commercial time
Advertisers want commercial time, and they're willing to pay X amount of money based on ratings.
Lower ratings = lower value of commercial time
lower value of commercial time = money lost.
#362 to #340 - reycall ONLINE
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(06/21/2013) [-]
frankly that's not our fault, that's poor business. cable TV is becoming dead and it wont be long before its ****** over totally. companies are gonna start noticing regardless, why pay for our adds if most people program them out with their boxes? if the tv businesses does not jump ship soon it will kill itself. that is in no way the from piracy.

ya with me?
#428 to #340 - pyrusd
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(06/23/2013) [-]
Ignoring the fact that you're wrong and just sprinkling in Ad hominems everywhere so there's no reason to take you seriously. Ratings again have nothing to do with STEALING. Ooooo commercial time, yes if it is a popular show, like the superbowl, agencies will dish out tons of money to get their ads on TV to hit as many viewers as they can. If your show sucks, no one will want to advertise on it because of how small the audience is. And yet, companies like HBO and Starz are still in business....without advertising...Somehow Game of Thrones, which is heavily Pirated, has not closed HBO.

A tv show sucks, no one pays for advertising, the show gets canceled, boohoo. Show is good, gets heavily pirated, and yet the company survives. And still nto sure how I'm stealing from anyone as you keep putting it so whatever dude.
#430 to #428 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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Also? I wasn't talking about closing studios, I was talking about losing money. Way to take what I say and blow it ridiculously out of proportion to "prove me wrong." Yeah, you got me there.
#429 to #428 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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...................................................................You.....you just explained to me the entire process, yet you still don't see it? I'm afraid there's no hope for you. I'm so sorry for your condition.

Also, HBO and Starz don't have advertising because they're premium channels, you mongoloid. It's crystal clear now that you only see what you choose to see, and discard anything that challenges your worldview. Once again, my condolences.
#431 to #429 - pyrusd
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(06/23/2013) [-]
Whatever you say dude.
#433 to #431 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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Awww, what's the matter? Nothing left to say because you pulled the rug out from under yourself, and have no way to come back from it? Now you'll just thumb me down with every reply in order to internally tell yourself "Ha, I showed him."

GG, thief. Better luck next time.
#435 to #433 - pyrusd
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(06/23/2013) [-]
No, I've already explained my point and all you can do is try to insult me so I don't care about it. If you had actual poitns we could keep debating, so no worries, not my problem.
#381 to #340 - iamwillygean
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#432 to #381 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account**
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Pssst, thumbs of either color don't mean anything.
#375 to #309 - wanicochil
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(06/21/2013) [-]
You can't justify pirating just because you don't like something

1. If you don't like food at a restaurant, there is nothing wrong with it, you just don't like it, you're not gonna get a free meal after you've eaten half of it, they will expect you to pay

2. Plumber/Mechanics you pay them for the product, (Fixed car or fixed toilet)

3. Reviews are in place for a reason, I use the restaurant example again, if reviews say that a place sucks, but you go there anyway and say "Man this place sucks, I'm not paying" do you think you get the right to walk out after eating without paying? No, there are services out there, youtube for starters, to preview games, movie critics, show critics, piracy is copying, not theft just fyi

4. You're stealing views from them, one view can count for a lot. because here and there views will be dropping like flies, therefore less people will want to put their ad there, therefore they have to put ad times at cheaper, and then suddenly they aren't bringing in enough money and boom show gets canceled
#427 to #375 - pyrusd
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1. If the food is horrible you stop eating and tell the manager and then he either gets you something you might like or your meal is free. The only option you have in a movie theater like this is to walk out mid way but only AFTER you've paid.

2. Right, we do pay them for the product, and if the product sucks, they don't get paid.

3. I know about reviews, that's why people use them, but I can't count the amount of times that people have said a movie sucked that I like, or I hated a film and everyone said they loved it. And I know Piracy is copying, not a theft, that's why I made the point.

4. Then how do we watch it? If I like the show and it airs at a time I can't watch it for work or whatever reason, they're losing my viewership, BUT I go online and watch it. Not my fault they put it at a time I can't watch it, and when the DVD comes out I buy it because I like the show. Not sure how I'm "stealing views."
#301 - commanderbunbun
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(06/21/2013) [-]
so every time i watch a snuff film a feed a baby?
#292 - keiishiyama
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I live in a relatively small city with little access to any CD that isn't on Wal-Mart's or Meijer's shelves, but I ******* LOVE some of the most underrepresented CDs in existence, like Journey's Arrival album and Def Leppard's Adrenalize. I can't find those CDs anywhere, so I pirate them. As soon as I see those ******* on a shelf somewhere, however, I can kiss $20 goodbye because those will come home with me.
#255 - herblegerble
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Most of the comments here: "HOI DOI I'M A PIRET I CAN DOWNLUD DE STUFF 4 FREE I BETTAR DEN U"

The rest are interesting arguments. Piracy for the sake of piracy still makes you a cunt though. If you're in a tough money situation then fair enough, but if you've got £10 and you still choose to pirate an album/a film, you're a cunt.

i feel like this is an unpopular opinion
#257 to #255 - herblegerble
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(06/21/2013) [-]
To illustrate my point rather than just saying it:

Those of you who say that it doesn't actually cost them anything, in a way it does.
No, you didn't literally go and steal £10 from them, but what you did do is stop them from gaining that potential £10 whilst still getting your luxury. Had pirating not of existed it's pretty likely that you would've gone and payed for the album. You can say "oh well it's not that much", but when thousands of people all have that same thought, it is a lot.
#190 - tmdarby
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(06/21/2013) [-]
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#150 - anon
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(06/21/2013) [-]
ASIANS CAN ACTUALLY READ MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They can hear, and see what you’re visually thinking. This is the absolute complete truth!!!!!

The reason a lot of Asians have completely expressionless faces is so they don’t accidentally show facial expressions when people think things they don’t like, find funny, astonishing, etc, and Asians segregate so their not nearly as susceptible to that happening.
Asians also segregate, and are untalkative to avoid accidentally saying things that are similar to what people are thinking and going to say.

Try thinking, and visually picturing things that are as wild as you can when you are around Asians, and look for Asians who give people dirty/particular looks for what appears to be for completely no reason.

PLEASE SPREAD THE MESSAGE!!!!! THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THIS!!!!!
#156 to #150 - residentevilwesker
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(06/21/2013) [-]
psst hey, my dick is 4 inches
#201 to #150 - spawnsy
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I hate using this picture due to fear of overusing it, look what your making me do
#148 - thekame
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#146 - lurifax
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Here is my opinion (inspired by others)

I think, as many others, that piracy (of digital media) is in fact not bad for the digital media industry. Someone compared piracy of digital media to stealing from a physical business. This is completely different, as the digital media can be copied without the loss of any resources/funds, which the physical product cannot. The latter leaves the owner with a loss.
#157 to #146 - Slushysolid
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(06/21/2013) [-]
but there is a loss of funds therein that the creator of said media never gets paid for their work. Just because you aren't physically taking something from them, doesn't mean you aren't stealing.
#193 to #157 - techketzer
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(06/21/2013) [-]
I could write an article, but the pic really says it all.
You get the idea.
#133 - threeeehuggings
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(06/21/2013) [-]
Also pirating a movie =/= me buying the movie when piracy was not an option.

They need to realise this, 99% of the movies I download I would never go to a movie theater for, or buy their dvd.
#259 to #133 - reycall ONLINE
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(06/21/2013) [-]
basically this.

i feel the same way

but after reading high school of the dead and licking it so much i decided that i had to have my own ******* copies.
#97 - badgerclan
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(06/21/2013) [-]
You can say that about stealing too. Go into a store and steal anything off the shelf and that's saving you money that you can put into the economy. Not a good argument.
#108 to #97 - Helel
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(06/21/2013) [-]
However that removes some of the shopkeeper's money from the economy.
#111 to #108 - Sethorein
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and stealing intellectual property isn't stealing some of the producer's money?
#113 to #111 - durkadurka
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Nope.
#116 to #113 - Sethorein
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...so it's totally okay for a producer to make one sale on a movie?
#118 to #116 - makotoitou
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If he deserved it. Make a quality product, and people will buy it.
#123 to #118 - Sethorein
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That's an assumption.

An average person doesn't make enough to enjoy all the luxuries in life. So what does he do? Pirates every luxury he can and pays grudgingly for every luxury he cannot pirate.

You can't ignore these people.

The only piracy I've ever remotely thought of as without any negative consequence is the piracy of discontinued products. You can't buy them anymore so it's not hurting anyone when you get it through piracy. Other than that, if you want a service you pay for it. You don't get to have services rendered without any form of compensation. That kind of entitlement is absolute garbage.
#134 to #123 - viscerys
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The Avengers got 200,000,000$ in it's opening weekend. I think that shows that all you need to do to get a lot of money from sales, is to make a good movie.
#160 to #134 - Sethorein
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So what your saying is that even though they didn't make 400 000 000 they still made enough. To which my reply is, to what end? How much money do we need to suck from the industry's potential profit before we decide that we've taken enough?
#138 to #123 - YeYouKnoMe
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Hey man, the best things in life are free okay? Give someone a free hug, you don't need compensation for that.
#159 to #138 - Sethorein
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Hugs cost very little in the grand scheme of things, and what makes them so special is knowing that the person doesn't expect compensation for it.

That does not translate to business unfortunately.
#165 to #159 - YeYouKnoMe
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Why so literal? You don't have much fun do you :/
#172 to #165 - Sethorein
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Piracy is srs bizness
#117 to #116 - durkadurka
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That's a completely different question. You asked if copyright infringement is stealing. It is not.
#269 to #117 - reycall ONLINE
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by the grammatical seance of the word it is.... sorry you are in fact stupid and make pirets look dumb


is it victimless yes it is. piracy does more good for the industry than harm
#294 to #269 - durkadurka
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stealing present participle of steal (Verb)
Verb
Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it: "thieves stole her bicycle".

copyright infringement
Web definitions
a violation of the rights secured by a copyright.


Are you stupid?
Pro-tip: Use correct spelling and grammar and make some ******* sense before you attempt to call someone dumb.
#121 to #117 - Sethorein
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Well the questions are related.

See if you steal someone's intellectual property (i.e. pirating movies) you're saying that they technically haven't lost any money.

So I put it to the nth degree. I imagined that one guy buys the movie and everyone just pirates it.

It's a gross exaggeration, but hey, if piracy is harmless absolute piracy shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong.

So if absolute piracy causes serious damage to the movie industry, why doesn't the casual piracy that is occuring nowadays affect the movie industry? It does.

The problem is that it doesn't affect the industry enough to warrant our concern. Movies still look good regardless of the sales losses.

But if piracy grows and becomes more and more accepted, who is to say that eventually the deficit won't start to decrease the quality of the movies we enjoy? Why do we need to start to destroy the things we love before we realize that our actions have consequences?
#139 to #121 - durkadurka
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Now you're putting words into my mouth. take down the straw man and relax.

I said that piracy is not stealing. I am right.

I said that piracy does not take from a producer's money. I am right.

You cannot assume that every act of piracy is a lost sale: Some people pirate what they cannot afford or pirate older content that's not available anymore. I'd hazard to guess that the amount of piracy actually replacing sales is fairly low.

I don't think piracy will ever have a noticeable impact on the movie industry. I base this largely on the onset of digital media, streaming, and the internet. In fact the internet (not including piracy) is what's going to have a massive impact on studios.

Piracy will not have too big of an impact before things adapt. industry responds to declining revenue. This kind of thing happened to the music industry.

So relax, nothing terrible will happen. There will not be this horrible decay of the movie industry. Things will change, but this will be for the better.
#162 to #139 - Sethorein
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So what your saying is that not paying for a service rendered is okay because it doesn't do THAT much damage, right?

It's still not paying for a service that was never offered for free.
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#94 to #89 - anon
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Soooo... We're in debt because we don't spend money?

Because we aren't the type of pirates that buy large, expensive ships and cruise around the sea looking for ships to plunder.

We're the kind of pirates that make copies of software, nothing is stolen, and nothing is bought.

Also as a response to your message to the other anon, it hardly costs anything to make a video game disc or a movie.
#100 to #89 - redclover
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so what you're saying is that people are in debt because they choose to NOT spend money on things? If they were spending money, they wouldn't owe so much money to lenders and banks?
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#141 to #109 - YeYouKnoMe
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Thats only if you were spoiled as a child...You're using examples of rich society...which we are slowly getting into because parent's give there kids anything for them to shut up.
#147 to #109 - redclover
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...so because I pirate a lot of anime and movies, that means that I'm likely to go out and overcharge my credit card to get a jet-ski?
#114 to #109 - anon
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THIS!!!!!!
#87 - anon
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And what about the creators? **** them? "hey guys i made a new indie game it cost me a lot of time and effort will you buy it please" -"NO **** you i need to feed mah baby"

i mean i know some people cant afford games or movies, i'm one of them actually but don't ******* try to tell me its okay to do that ****
#270 to #87 - Rhizka
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I pirate games if there isn't an extensive demo.


If the game is good, I purchase. If it's crap, I don't.
#92 to #87 - Metallicock
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Games for me are different. It usually makes me end up buying the actual game.

Minecraft
Killing Floor
Duke Nukem 3D
Amnesia
Dead Island
Dead Island Riptide
Fallout NV
Skyrim

are all just some I pirated and then bought
As far as movies, I might actually pay to see one if I could trust Hollywood to actually put out a good one every now and then and for music, they make more off of merchandise and concerts than they do actual music. I would say piracy actually helps them in a way, in the sense that it exposes new fans who otherwise wouldn't have bought anything from them be it CD's, Merchandise, or tickets.
#82 - anon
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It doesnt take money from anywhere. It doesnt cost the film industry when someone gets it for free. They dont EARN, but they dont lose. They're money remains exactly the same.
E.g. You sold a poster to someone for £10. You have £10. If that person then gave their friend it for free, you dont suddenly lose that £10 again.
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#96 to #90 - durkadurka
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You can't assume that everyone who pirates a movie or song would purchase it otherwise. Assuming sales and then counting the absence of income as losses is just dishonest.
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#103 to #102 - durkadurka
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Of course, it's true that piracy will affect sales if its done in large enough numbers.
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#106 to #105 - durkadurka
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I'd reread that again.
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#85 to #82 - Sethorein
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but you also don't get to sell another poster and make an additional 10 pounds

Now you've got warehouses full of posters and your billions of pounds in the hole because you expected people to actually buy your posters.

You stop making posters.
#98 to #85 - anon
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It says it 'costs' them, it doesnt. Its costs them nothing when people pirate it. They dont lose money they just dont earn any.
#110 to #98 - Sethorein
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it costs you the net sum of all of those posters you couldn't sell.

The money in production costs had to come from somewhere.
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#32 - superduperpuper
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I don't trust reports and statistics. You know why? You can make them show what you want them to show. I bet the studie where they sai it's 20billion a year just considered the amount of times when a movie was watched on the internet. But if you don't consider the persons who don't have the money to see/buy the movie or wouldn't have seen it otherwise, because they don't want to waste money on a movie that they probably would just see because everyone else sees it, then that numbe would be extremely lower.


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