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#432 - flowgo (05/25/2013) [-]
This pope gets it. He understands that Atheists are a part of life and instead of belittling them like the previous pope, this guy accepts that you dont have to believe to be good.
#408 - yurilowenthalll (05/25/2013) [-]
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User avatar #248 - mrnoodlez (05/25/2013) [-]
He is only saying what is taught in Christianity/Catholicism. I was taught that I can love and befriend anyone I want and it is up to God to choose in the end.
User avatar #188 - roflstorm (05/25/2013) [-]
I already like this pope

He isnt as big a douche as the hardcore christian before him
#200 to #188 - Rascal (05/25/2013) [-]
>Hardcore Christian before him
>The Pope not a hard core Christian
User avatar #52 - monkeysniper (05/24/2013) [-]
A cool and reasonable public figure, is such a thing possible?
User avatar #468 - Xaftz (05/25/2013) [-]
Pinch me, I must be dreaming.
User avatar #430 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]

And then he had to later reassure everyone that they are still going to hell.

However, I am debating if that is his actual thought on the issue, or if he is simply doing damage control due to backlash from the christian population for making that statement.
User avatar #436 to #430 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
Well for him to be Catholic in any sense of the word he would have to believe that non-Catholics are not going to go to heaven. I've read the bible a couple times. It's pretty clear on the matter.
User avatar #440 to #436 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
Yeah, exactly why he received backlash and such.

I've read the bible too. Not all of it because the class at school (Moral and Religious Education) was abolished before we finished it. But most Abrahamic faiths revolve around that maxim, if I remember correctly.
User avatar #442 to #440 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
The bible is an interesting read for sure. But I don't recall it saying anywhere that I had to hate people who don't share my religion.
User avatar #444 to #442 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
Neither did I. I just remember reading a bunch of stories.

Like I thought the morals were ******* stupid but damn, it had some nice prose.
User avatar #446 to #444 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
That's why it's still around. That any all the people willing to kill you over it's interpenetration.
User avatar #448 to #446 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]

I'm very non-religious. I don't even know if I have an iota of spirituality. The argument never compelled me. I think, as of now, my atheism is more of a philosophical thing (as the simple notion that to believe in a god is more complicated than to not believe in one, Occam's razor dictates that the simpler argument, or the one with the fewest assumptions, is the better one).
User avatar #449 to #448 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
I dono. Assuming that there's a man hiding behind a cloud who listens to my thoughts is pretty simple.
User avatar #455 to #449 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
Bit it requires you to believe in a huge number of 'other' things by extension. It assumes things without knowing them for certain. Which is why Occam's razoer decimates the argument.

However, that is from a philosophical standpoint and is therefore only relevant to a personal belief and holds no meaning within any other context.
User avatar #456 to #455 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
Simple as in simpleton.
User avatar #457 to #456 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
I suppose!
User avatar #458 to #457 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
And yet, here I am. I really need to not be so good at arguing against religion.
User avatar #482 to #458 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]

The world would be a much better place without it. It's an old, outdated system of organization. It had relevance maybe a thousand years ago, organizing tribes into kingdoms and such.
User avatar #488 to #482 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
Well, I'm christian. It's not really religion in general I disagree with it's the people who are willing to kill each other over witch invisible man in the clouds they worship.
User avatar #489 to #488 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
For me it's more of the institution, really.
User avatar #490 to #489 - arisaka (05/25/2013) [-]
And everything that goes with along with that.
User avatar #492 to #490 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/26/2013) [-]
As far as I'm concerned I don't need an institution to make sure that I always have someone thinking for me. I can do that all on my own, thanks though. It's the complete disregard for other humans that gets me. "our religion is about peace and well being, but if you don't agree with us, we'll happily shun you." The **** ?
User avatar #493 to #492 - arisaka (05/26/2013) [-]
Yeah, kind of messed up. My philosophy has always been to be as kind as possible to people, even if I don't like them. I try not to personally shun people because its actually very hurtful.
User avatar #502 to #493 - thelastamerican ONLINE (05/26/2013) [-]
I like you.
User avatar #505 to #502 - arisaka (05/26/2013) [-]
i like u 2 btw
User avatar #504 to #502 - arisaka (05/26/2013) [-]
Thank you! It's a little easier said than done. I still have my judgments but I curse myself for them.
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#393 - Rascal (05/25/2013) [-]
While this is great and all, if I recall correctly I think he did have very anti-gay views.

Are we just going to ignore that?
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User avatar #257 - hybredmoon (05/25/2013) [-]
Isn't there some ancient prophecy that's been pretty accurate so far that says this pope will be the last pope ever?
#267 to #257 - pxthreezerothree (05/25/2013) [-]
The Prophecy of the Popes is attributed to St. Malachy. Of course, it was only "discovered" 450 years after the death of St. Malachy. It also is strangely specific towards Popes that had been elected since the death of St. Malachy and very vague about the ones after it was first published.
#253 - Rascal (05/25/2013) [-]
What a joke. Sorry but this is just false, hes outright lying.
User avatar #255 to #253 - Kyag (05/25/2013) [-]
Why don't you say that logged into your account?
#412 to #255 - vangoz (05/25/2013) [-]
here take this
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#218 - vanoreo (05/25/2013) [-]
Next thing he'll be saying is that gays aren't terrible

I like this guy.
#225 to #218 - xrobinxx (05/25/2013) [-]
Na, he really doesn't like them
Na, he really doesn't like them
User avatar #211 - camerel (05/25/2013) [-]
this is why i love this guy
#125 - skymuffinz (05/24/2013) [-]
What's the point of faith if the religion itself adjusts to the new - era of "followers"

In other words: isn't it a bit hypocritical to follow the religions "changes" as in:
One day, something's wrong - unnatural, the very other something's totally good - right

"Sigh" - English ain't my main language but please bare with me (I'm actually trying to start a discussion here since im quite curious about other people's perspective on religion/faith itself)

Apart from that i've never been a part of any religion-religious group
I kinda believe that everyone should have their own inner-belief etc

~ What about you ?

[Apologies if this's a serious question, on a site that receives "questions" with negativity - i'm just well curious]

User avatar #129 to #125 - brigettasandra (05/24/2013) [-]
Everyone should have their own understanding and take on faith, even if some common ideas are shared. It is hearing of differences that help us to learn more about not only other people but also ourselves.
User avatar #145 to #125 - schneidend (05/24/2013) [-]
It's less about changing the faith and more about not being a huge asshole to people who don't share that faith.
#161 to #125 - kingnicholas ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
I agree with your point, however the Catholic Church tends to say that it hasn't really changed over the years only made implicit doctrine Explicit. This concept that atheists can go to heaven was explicitly defined in the 60's in Lumen Gentium and probably has its roots in Aquinian Theology.
#195 to #125 - Rascal (05/25/2013) [-]
I would say it doesn't make much difference changing things now when everything has been rewritten through so many languages and changed to political will over the last 2000 years, what you're reading is far far from the original or what was intended.
#131 to #125 - captainreposty (05/24/2013) [-]
Exactly, he's only trying to protect the Church's receding influence.
#119 - Rascal (05/24/2013) [-]
#181 - fytech (05/25/2013) [-]
The Pope said atheists can be "saved" by good works. Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, "clarified" saying people who know about Catholicism can't be "saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”
User avatar #183 to #181 - loonquawl (05/25/2013) [-]
Damn, there just has to be a catch.
User avatar #226 to #181 - icecreamonnips (05/25/2013) [-]
yeah, because a vatican rep. has more credibility than the leader of the catholic church
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User avatar #98 to #94 - igenatius (05/24/2013) [-]
No, now some of the ********* that thought that way might change their views but either way, it has no effect on my life.
#100 to #94 - Rascal (05/24/2013) [-]
Until now, it had been said otherwise by those who honor a pope's word
#184 - cerdomen (05/25/2013) [-]
Yeah sure, but only If we do what he says it's good, no condom, no abortion, no homo -.-" Hope I'm wrong
User avatar #186 to #184 - ferrettamer ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
I doubt that is what he means by good. He may not like those (though if I remember correctly, he doesn't care about homosexuals, but I could be wrong,) but I doubt he would condemn people for them.
User avatar #193 to #186 - taintedangel (05/25/2013) [-]
he's a def no homo guy.
especially with the line, gay adoption is child abuse.

User avatar #233 to #193 - icecreamonnips (05/25/2013) [-]
but he also said that the pratice of homosexuality is immoral, they should be treated with respect and love
User avatar #234 to #233 - taintedangel (05/25/2013) [-]
So he preaches "hate the sin, not the sinner'. Still doesn't make him awesome.
User avatar #235 to #234 - icecreamonnips (05/25/2013) [-]
dosnt make him an asshole either
User avatar #238 to #235 - taintedangel (05/25/2013) [-]
No, but the fact he's been against gay marriage rights bills does.
User avatar #194 to #193 - ferrettamer ONLINE (05/25/2013) [-]
Ah, my bad.
#88 - mzdave (05/24/2013) [-]
i don`t need that idiots approval.

User avatar #147 to #88 - schneidend (05/24/2013) [-]
Good guy Pope just hopes you be a good person.

" **** that guy."

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