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User avatar #526 - tehweave (03/03/2013) [-]
The difference is thusly:

Support the men and women who go overseas and serve in the military. They are doing a tough job and deserve all the praise we can possibly give them.

Vote out the ******* in congress who keep sending them over there!
#576 to #526 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
No, this is America, we'll never do that.
#583 to #526 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Congress has no power over the military.
User avatar #615 to #583 - multimedia (03/07/2013) [-]
Congress is the only body in the US which can declare war. Lrn2politics.

The president can send troops anywhere for 90 days under executive order, but any longer needs congressional approval.
#440 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
I have nothing but respect and admiration for warriors,

And to be honest, I'm one of the rare people immune to PTSD, I've seen some **** , but instead of breaking I became more... well, plenty accuse me of being psychopathic

This being said, my empathy levels are high. It's a terrible thing when someone is traumatized to such a powerful extent.

Whether or not the war is just or necessary has nothing to do with it, all war is the same in the fact that bad things are going to happen.

You have to appreciate that risk when you enter one of the branches of military, but I think a lot of people are naive about it--they have no clue what their in for.

Personally, I just want the world at peace, or at the very least for the U.S. to stay out of other countries problems. Let them rot. We shouldn't have to sacrifice our own people. In the end war will just become useless violence and meaningless bloodshed.
#520 to #440 - rodneyabc (03/03/2013) [-]
"MY NAME IS TIMMY JONSON

I AM 9 YEARS OLD. FOR MY CLASS PWOJECT I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ARMY MEN.

I THINK ARMY MEN ARE REALLY COOL.

I THINK I WUD BE A VERY GUD ARMY MEN BECUZ WUN TIME I WAZ WATCHING A SCARY MOVIE WIT MY BRUDDER JIMMY AND HE TOUHT IT WAS VERY SCARY BUT I WASNT SCARED AT ALL SO NOW HE TINKS IM SCARY TOO.

I TINK WAR IS VERY BAD.

YOU HAVE TO BE VEWY CAREFUL WEN YOU GO TOO WAR BECUZ YOU MITE GET SHOT OR SEE SUMONE ELS GET SHOT AND DATS SCARY. NOT DAT SCARY TOO ME THO BECUZ I PLAY CALL OF DOOTY ON MY PLAYSTATION.

I TINK AMERICA SHUDNT HELP UDDER CUNTREES BECUZ DEY ARE ON ANUDER TEAM DAN US SO ITS NOT ARE PROBLEM WEN DEY GET HURT.

HERE IS A PICTURE OF A CAT DAT I DREW"
User avatar #528 to #520 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
Go home Timmy.

... lol
#447 to #440 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
>warriors
Hiding behind **** to use a machine to kill random people.
User avatar #451 to #447 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
If by machine you mean technology, and I don't even know why I'm answering since you're probably a pussy troll looking for attention, everything from knives to bow and arrows were technology. There is no difference.

Fighting is for killing. People tend to forget that. Everyone says a soldiers purpose is to protect, and that's a nice sentiment and partly true, but it's about fighting and yes, killing.

War has enemies, plenty of people get caught up in the crossfire: But that is a part of the nature of war. And **** you, people fight for a reason: namely insane regimes who do horrible **** to the people of their own country.
#466 to #451 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Why should we care if other countries are doing horrible **** to their own people?
Think of Cuba, the U.S tried multiple times to eliminate Castro and failed each time, and only accomplished killing men and women under the power of a pretty good leader.
The U.S also took over the Philippines for no reason and just ended up ******* the **** out of the country and leaving.
Getting into WW2 was pointless at the time, it ended up being good, sure, but it was completely pointless at the time.

Now about "technology" at least with lesser technologies I.E. bows, swords, knives.
Those had "honor" they gave the enemy a chance to fight back. But now with the pussy-ass drones they're wiping out everyone in mile radius's from "intel".
They're sitting behind their computers controlling a huge metal death machine from a whole different continent, killing a huge amount of innocents while looking for ONE MAN.
User avatar #476 to #466 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
The fact I said it would be best for our own people to let other countries rot pretty much negates your stupid rant. That being said we don't go over for no reason.

About your retarded technology argument: Guerrilla warfare you dumb **** .

Our militia isn't civilian hunting you retard, I swear to god, you stupid ***** .
#492 to #476 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Also, giving a name to something doesn't make it just.
#480 to #476 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
It turns into civilian hunting.
Also as soon as you call someone a name you've lost the argument.
Common law of debate.
User avatar #485 to #480 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
It does not.

Only a child would think that.
#490 to #485 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
>calling me a child after what I just said.
User avatar #494 to #490 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
Oh anon.

Such a petty argument. I can smell the personality type that you must ooze. But it's psychological ******** . Basically man, you're full of **** .

Get an account, or don't even bother. You have no place here. You are wasting my time and everyone elses.
User avatar #498 to #494 - nockae (03/03/2013) [-]
**** you, here's my account.
How is my argument petty?
I'm making points and you are not.
You're just saying I'm wrong without actually saying anything to prove your point.
User avatar #503 to #498 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
Ugh.

The death of civilians is a symptom of war. I've already said war becomes meaningless. But that never means it's purposeless. Lives have been lost, but lives have also been saved, in all manner of likely hood.

Your examples have little basis, geopolitically there were reasons for every one of those operations, but I can already tell you're probably not... how do I put this nicely; I don't have time to get on your level.

The evidence is in your own writing. You're only understanding one side of the argument, and as such I have no place wasting my time with you. I've acknowledge both ends, and if you read my original comment you would understand.
User avatar #531 to #503 - nockae (03/03/2013) [-]
"Reasons" now we're getting into the opinionated part of the argument.
Look, if you choose to believe that war is just and that sitting behind computers controlling death machines accidentally killing civilians is okay.
Fine believe that. But even you must admit that although war is usually unnecessary, even from a geopolitical point of view.
Things like late WW2 was completely necessary for the good of mankind. While invading Iraq for their oil was so stupid it makes the U.S look like greedy sons of bitches, which is pretty much what we've turned into.
User avatar #532 to #531 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
Your comment speaks for itself. I can't even...
User avatar #536 to #532 - nockae (03/03/2013) [-]
Apparently that's the end of that then.
'Twas an interesting argument. If you hadn't gotten pissed it probably would of been better.
User avatar #512 to #503 - Hreidmar (03/03/2013) [-]
You're raising valid points but you're being quite a dick about it. He wasn't being at all confrontational but you started accusing him of naivety and stupidity regardless. Excuse him for not being able to take your point without a grain of salt.
User avatar #523 to #512 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
Well as he was being anon I thought he was the original anon, I was already pissed. I'll admit that I take it a little too far. That being said I'm extremely tired of these tired arguments so many people seem to have. No one thinks outside of "Hurr derrr they are just killin civilians"
#452 to #440 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
yeah becoming more psychopathic can be a symptom of ptsd. And i don't find your faux alpha spoutings all that believable. sorry.
User avatar #459 to #452 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
This isn't about me, it's about people who can't handle this sort of thing. My experiences are petty in comparison, but I'm sure even in war I'd be relatively okay. I know what to expect, but I think plenty of people don't.
User avatar #479 to #440 - fuzzyballs (03/03/2013) [-]
well you sure sound like a badass
User avatar #483 to #479 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
And you sound insecure, but it's a part of what allows me to understand the subject subjectively. I swear, how many internet pricks are going to get their balls tied in a knot over petty crap? That's not the point of this post.
User avatar #510 to #483 - fuzzyballs (03/03/2013) [-]
insecure? that's what you got out of that sentence?
you sounds more and more like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about
User avatar #516 to #510 - infinitereaper ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, I'm just, ugh. The impending ********** on this site you know?

But you must realize how pointless and instigating your comment was right? Human beings are all different and we don't all have to be the same. I'm very sick of this "alpha" "beta" bull crap I guess. Sorry. I really have to work on going off on people. My bad.
#140 - notsureifanon (03/03/2013) [-]
That's so sad.
#125 - dragmar (03/03/2013) [-]
I am with George Carlin, call Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder "Shell Shock!" again.

Might give the people who suffer from it some damn attention.
User avatar #554 - JimiHendrix (03/03/2013) [-]
Damn. I don't have more respect for anyone than i do for someone who's in the military. Seeing this is rough
#556 to #554 - shadowreid (03/03/2013) [-]
My best friend is in the military, this post nearly made me cry.
User avatar #504 - galacticboner (03/03/2013) [-]
My uncle saw two of his best friends sawn in half in Mozambique, in a sawmill. He can't even bare to see anything related to sawmilling nowadays.
#298 - toddsocks (03/03/2013) [-]
Forget feeding the trolls, you guys are putting on a 4 course feast.
#222 - hardongo ONLINE (03/03/2013) [-]
#195 - comradegeneral (03/03/2013) [-]
It is sad, war veterans have the bad luck that they have survived, but they suffer from the horror of war where there friends die next to them somewhere far away from home where the could have a nice live, making a family, getting a job, watching how there kids raise up in times of peace.

But they have to fight for something, the fight for the government, not for there people.

No matter what they say war is not the solution.
Not for freedom and not for peace.
User avatar #58 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
Any soldiers shipping to Ft. Jackson in April?
User avatar #59 to #58 - adstew (03/03/2013) [-]
i cannot say that im going to jackson, however i am going to Benning
User avatar #60 to #59 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
What MOS did you get?
User avatar #62 to #60 - adstew (03/03/2013) [-]
11b
User avatar #63 to #62 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
Good **** man. I originally got 88N but I'm going to try and get it switched to 68W when I get sent back to meps.
User avatar #65 to #63 - adstew (03/03/2013) [-]
nice, quite a change tho
User avatar #68 to #65 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
I just hope they let me. I've done plenty of research though.
User avatar #69 to #68 - adstew (03/03/2013) [-]
well, good luck
#66 to #58 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
Trying my hardest to get signed up. I've been trying for 14 months. Wanting 19D but if EOD is available I'm leaning towards that.
User avatar #70 to #66 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
If you're trying to be a sniper then go 11b. Then sniper school from there. A guy I signed up with is doing that. Why won't they let you join?
#71 to #70 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
Sexual child abuse history towards me. Stupid and wrote down I had seen a counselor, sent me to get evaluated, she deemed I was Depressed and because I said I wanted to do EOD, I was deemed homicidal, suicidal, and alexithymic (outside events don't affect my emotions). Had to get letters with "treatment" from psychologists and had a final eval last week. Still waiting from my recruiter what the letter said. If yes, I'm in. If no, I can't get into any branch.
User avatar #74 to #71 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
Hey man, best of luck to you.
#75 to #74 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
I swear I'm not crazy...
User avatar #78 to #75 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
Never said you were. Just said good luck with all of that.
#80 to #78 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
I know I'm just messing with you. Good luck to you as well. Stay safe and in basic, don't volunteer for anything. Most given advice I've been told.
User avatar #84 to #80 - crazedx (03/03/2013) [-]
The advice I was given was don't be first, and don't be last.
#85 to #84 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
That's true too. I was reading a Spetznaz survival, evasion, and rescue bok and thats a general rule for anything. Especially being rescued in hostile areas. They'll pick off the first guy, or it'll miss and hit the last guy.
User avatar #115 to #71 - Pedosnake (03/03/2013) [-]
I feel like the alexithymic part would be a great ******* help if you were to go into EOD
#242 to #115 - iviagicbanana (03/03/2013) [-]
What they were worried about was me basically becoming a killer. Shootin' any hadji that moved and not batting an eye at it.
#427 - ShadeElement (03/03/2013) [-]
"She must have seen some **** ."
#432 to #427 - ShadeElement (03/03/2013) [-]
"Tell Uncle Patton how fireworks bother you."
User avatar #464 to #432 - ShadeElement (03/03/2013) [-]
My point is-
Why is it that in an era where combat is often fought beyond visual range by a generation supposedly desensitized by video game violence, we have rampant PTSD.

But the Greatest Generation; many of whom were civilians drafted into fighting the bloodiest conflict known to man, where the order "fix bayonets" still meant something; didn't even know what PTSD was.

Yet they still managed to come home and not only avoid killing themselves, but rebuilt a country and started the biggest baby boom in the history of western civilization.

I'm not saying PTSD isn't real. I'm not saying it should be ignored or go untreated.

I'm saying we need to ask our previous generations how they managed to come through much worse, and accomplish much more, with lower rates of suicide, depression, and substance abuse.
User avatar #497 to #464 - badgerclan (03/03/2013) [-]
maybe because they had a good reason for fighting? I imagine it would be a lot easier to deal with the horrors of war when you're actually fighting for something important instead of the **** that's going on today.
#428 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
"I can't believe I killed all those innocent civilians!"
#436 to #428 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Aw, looks like you faggots can't handle the truth
#463 to #436 - DiabloStrawhat (03/03/2013) [-]
you're the only one of those around here, ********
#472 to #463 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
The truth is that the U.S government has been "brain-washing" its people for decades.
A lot of those "enemies" we're killing are just random people who look different, have different beliefs, or they have a resource that the U.S wants and doesn't have enough money left to pay for.
Those civilians die every day while you sit at your computer, in your heated house all run by oil at some point.
Oil taken by force from those people. Oil taken because the U.S is a monster and the soldiers they train are turned into monsters.
The truth is that most of the wars we fight and most of the people we kill, are completely and utterly pointless decisions.
#515 to #472 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
You're a dumbass.
#513 to #472 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
so what, the Taliban are saints then? do you even know what they did when they were in control of afghanistan?
#538 to #513 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Taliban-Bad
Civilians-Neutral
*******
#469 to #462 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
wot
#315 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Americans!!! Always bichin about the war THEY started in Vietnam...
#328 to #315 - creepyunclebob (03/03/2013) [-]
The war was started to stop the spread of communism to Vietnam and neighboring countries. After we lost, communism spread to Vietnam and neighboring countries. Which means the war was justified to that extent.
#360 to #315 - johnnybtrollin (03/03/2013) [-]
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HOW DARE U INSULT ARE FREEDOMS

THEIR BATLING AND FIGTING FORE ARE LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS
User avatar #373 to #315 - sidathe (03/03/2013) [-]
MURICA! IM AN AMERICUNT! TERRRURIS HATE US BECUSE THEY HATE MY FREEDUM HURR
#321 to #315 - happyschlappy (03/03/2013) [-]
The war in Vietnam started because South Vietnam requested our assistance, and we weren't cold enough to just sit there and watch them be destroyed.
#324 to #321 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
We were perfectly fine with it until France left. They never asked for help either, we put someone in charge who would ask for help.
#336 to #324 - Gewdaism (03/03/2013) [-]
No, South Vietnam was a member of the South East Asian Treaty Organization (SEATO) basically an asian version of NATO. The United States was also a member of SEATO and was thus obligated to defend their ally
#352 to #315 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
youre damn right bro. They should at least see that their aggressive behaviour to protect their concerns leads to some ugly things. MOSTLY in vietnam and the countries they destroyed, LOL
#417 to #315 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
Yeah we defiantly started the War in Vietnam, the French had nothing to do with it. It wasn't like they got their ass kicked in every part of that country and begged us to help them.
User avatar #386 to #315 - Crusader (03/03/2013) [-]
That is most definitely NOT a Nam' Vet.
#139 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
there was a time when soldiers fought with honor and were not fags
User avatar #143 to #139 - ogomer (03/03/2013) [-]
When exactly was that?
User avatar #151 to #139 - coolalliki (03/03/2013) [-]
And you weren't one of them.
User avatar #141 to #139 - RealStrangeSteve (03/03/2013) [-]
Very tasteless, anon.
#76 - anon (03/03/2013) [-]
What a pussy lol
GAWD BLEZ DA UHRMY HURRRR
User avatar #25 - JunkTea (03/03/2013) [-]
why doesn't he go inside?

who ever took the picture is an ass.

we don't even know if he has PTSD.

he could have been covering his ears because they were cold.
User avatar #31 to #25 - yourasiangamer (03/03/2013) [-]
1- I don't see any snow
2- hes wearing ACU's theyre pretty warm, and its a military uniform
3- He has heard worse than a few fire works
4- Yeah, I'm sure it is his hobby to hide from flashes and explosions
5- Shut Up, you probably have no prior knowledge or experience, to these kind of things
User avatar #100 to #31 - JunkTea (03/03/2013) [-]
I'm not saying PTSD is fake, or anything like that.

I'm just saying we have no evidence to say this guy has it, or if there are even fireworks.

you have no evidence. he could have gotten a call that his dog died or something.
User avatar #64 to #31 - MakiChan (03/03/2013) [-]
doesnt have to have snow to be cold.... just sayin.
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