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User avatar #71 - fosforgasxiii (02/02/2013) [-]
What is obamacare actually? Is it comparable with the universal healthcare that is used in ehm... every firstworld country except the US?
#64 - himyouknowwho (02/02/2013) [-]
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User avatar #133 to #64 - animedudej (02/02/2013) [-]
is that from MAD?
User avatar #149 to #133 - himyouknowwho (02/02/2013) [-]
i don't know.
what's MAD?
#152 to #149 - animedudej (02/02/2013) [-]
i might have been thinking about Funny or die or something like that but her it is
User avatar #62 - thedarkestrogue (02/02/2013) [-]
*Looks at comments*
Seriously? Am I the only american who doesn't hate obamacare?
User avatar #90 to #62 - garymotherfinoak (02/02/2013) [-]
this makes 2 of us
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User avatar #32 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
Can someone explain to me why there is so much hate for obamacare?
#80 to #32 - stclair (02/02/2013) [-]
Because in America, I am forced to either participate in it and buy government health insurance or pay an exorbitant fine for using a non-government insurance plan. It would be much wiser to fix the current "free" healthcare system by revamping it rather than flooding billions of dollars into some new program that is driving insurance premiums up and causing businesses to drop their great employee insurance plans because they can no longer afford them. So, in a nation where the vast majority of people already have health insurance, this system doesn't work.
User avatar #243 to #80 - undeadwill (02/02/2013) [-]
Dude. I want to be your friend now. Finally someone makes a good argument for it
#102 to #80 - bobducky (02/02/2013) [-]
first legit argument i've seen against obamacare all day. everyone else is "freedom Amurica, bad idea, freedom freedom." just dumb
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User avatar #59 to #32 - sircool (02/02/2013) [-]
because it's the same thing but lower quality and everyone pays.
#182 to #59 - anon (02/02/2013) [-]
Lower Quality? shhhhh. You're ignorance is stupid.

Obama Care is bad because of what StClair said, not because it's lower quality...
User avatar #63 to #59 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
Thank you, now I can see why. But guess the country is in financial trouble.
User avatar #33 to #32 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
because its a BAD ******* IDEA
User avatar #34 to #33 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
But why?
User avatar #35 to #34 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
because it will decrease the quality of healthcare nationwide because doctors will be underpaid for their work, because hospitals will have vastly too many patients to realistically care for, and for a million other reasons
#55 to #35 - lemleet (02/02/2013) [-]
it works in germany and many other countries so damn well. why shouldn't it in america? stupid ****
User avatar #40 to #35 - Usualyanon (02/02/2013) [-]
I'd rather all be able to live, hell Canada has universal health care and it's working pretty well for them.
User avatar #245 to #40 - undeadwill (02/02/2013) [-]
Yeah but we are America. We **** **** up.
User avatar #254 to #245 - Usualyanon (02/02/2013) [-]
Murica **** YA
User avatar #38 to #35 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
But isn't it better for people to at least get healthcare with a slight drop in quality than the best healthcare only some have access too?
User avatar #42 to #38 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
also quality is going to drop severely, not slightly.
User avatar #39 to #38 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
the thing is that **** shouldnt be free, you should have to work for it. if you cant afford healthcare, then you can die in a gutter. and thats what capitalism is all about! if you dont like it move to a socialist nation, where nationalized healthcare belongs
#83 to #39 - anon (02/02/2013) [-]
You're the reason why people think we americans are all stupid and arrogant.
User avatar #54 to #39 - thedumbledore (02/02/2013) [-]
That's a horrid attitude. 'Work for it?' I work as much as I can, My mother works full time and we wouldn't be able to afford healthcare in the US because my mother grew up in a small country area where no one could afford to go to high school above 15- She does not have good qualifications and can not get a decent paying job.

If it wasn't for free healthcare here, due to my medical issues I probably WOULD be dead in a gutter. I think it's terrible to think that sort of thing happening is justified.
User avatar #51 to #39 - drewbridge (02/02/2013) [-]
It isn't free. It is never free. There is no such thing as "free" healthcare. They're making other people pay for it whether they want to or not. And if you don't, you'll get fined.

There is ALREADY a system for giving people healthcare, and it's called Medicare and Medicaid, and we pay out the ******* ass for it.
We have a tad too much defense spending, and that costs way more than it.
User avatar #52 to #51 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
That is what I meant by free healthcare. I dont think money appears out of thin air =)
User avatar #43 to #39 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
I live in a country with nationalised healthcare and it does a pretty good job which is why I didn't get it. But I see it's more of the ideological issue.
User avatar #44 to #43 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
I dont disagree that free healthcare works well for other nations, its just that with the really bad immigration problem here in america and the fact that obamacare treats anyone who walks into a hospital (regardless of citizenship) its going to plunge us even further into debt and deal even more damage to our already devastated economy
#60 to #44 - lemleet (02/02/2013) [-]
there are many nations with a high percentage of immigrants and they still have free health care and no problems with it at all
User avatar #46 to #44 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
unless you have been treated medically in another nation with free healthcare, I don't think your opinion has much validity.
User avatar #48 to #46 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
I'm sorry that you're so stupid. Go read some books maybe you'll get better.
User avatar #49 to #48 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
don't you have some grits to fry?
User avatar #50 to #49 - rochal (02/02/2013) [-]
I actually run 10 miles a day and eat healthy, but nice try fat **** =/
#89 to #50 - anon (02/02/2013) [-]
I wish I could thumb you down even more but I can't. You're extremely uneducated. I'm sorry that whatever educational institution you went to failed you so badly.
#82 to #50 - bobducky (02/02/2013) [-]
he meant where you work dumbass. go back to your nightshift at wafflehouse. If you had read the books that you claim to read (wikipedia) you would know that the idea of "social Darwinism" kinda got stamped out in the late 1800s when the big robber barons tried to violently keep workers in their factories working for wages not enough to feed themselves. Ever heard of Andrew Carnegie? Tell me you would want to go work for him in his glorious vision of capitalism, then accidentally slip and fall into the machinery, like 45% of workers did back then and when you're good friend "Captain of Industry Carnegie" hears all he's gonna say "better for the world then. good riddance" try being on the side trying to help you out man. you'll last longer
User avatar #57 to #50 - skulldan (02/02/2013) [-]
(if you think obamacare is stupid you are stupid)
#84 to #57 - bobducky (02/02/2013) [-]
nice try, buddy, not a very solid arguement
User avatar #241 to #84 - skulldan (02/02/2013) [-]
#53 to #50 - domitius (02/02/2013) [-]
sure whatever you say
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User avatar #56 to #31 - truenord (02/02/2013) [-]
someone should make it a feels gif instead!
User avatar #20 - drainbramage (02/02/2013) [-]
I beat this game, single proudest moment of my life.
User avatar #24 to #20 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
What is this game?
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User avatar #26 to #25 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
How? Or do I not want to know? :(
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User avatar #29 to #28 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
Haha that's epic. Poor guy though, you go in for a simple surgery and bam! Sawn into bout 40 pieces....

Most games are completable, but who these days really follows the story modes?!
Yeah I think I've seen this or something similar around the internet but never known the name of it. Heard that you have to download it or something?
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User avatar #36 to #30 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
To Google!
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User avatar #45 to #37 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
Yeah... He's not getting his heart transplant today, or any other day...

That's difficult to control.
User avatar #41 to #37 - NatashaReinhart (02/02/2013) [-]
I will, however, I can't say that the patient is going to be enjoying any of it though. Going to end up hacked up into 100 pieces...
User avatar #18 - nicolajibsen (02/02/2013) [-]
lemme just break your ribs with nothing but my wrist...
#17 - senselessness (02/02/2013) [-]
Remember, when in doubt, pinky out.
#15 - lucsor (02/02/2013) [-]
does anybody know the name of this game?
User avatar #16 to #15 - Archoss (02/02/2013) [-]
Surgeon Simulator 2013
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#11 - miscarriage (02/02/2013) [-]
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#10 - eviltwin (02/02/2013) [-]
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User avatar #7 - bionicsneeze (02/02/2013) [-]
Mighty lulz were had.
I don't even care that this isn't yours.
#3 - snerus (02/02/2013) [-]
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User avatar #129 to #3 - jibb (02/02/2013) [-]
Taken from the last picture related to OP's game
#2 - alexlife (02/02/2013) [-]
I don't know why but I laugh so much at those "Thanks Obama!" :P
User avatar #1 - lockstin (02/01/2013) [-]
the whole idea that "free" healthcare = low quality healthcare is silly. the better doctors who do a better job still get paid more, so they still strive to do better, at least thats the way it is in canada. They also get paid extra if their patient gets better sooner, encouraging preventative medicine rather then elongating the sickness by just treating the symptoms and keeping the patient on meds and more frequent doctor visits.
User avatar #229 to #1 - tharic (02/02/2013) [-]
I had free health care while I lived in the united states and it was pretty great, no complaints about it. Now Im in Brasil and the freee healthcare is just awful, the paid healthcare dowsnt seem to be making any progress either, still low quality
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#142 to #117 - anon (02/02/2013) [-]
I have CF and i'm over in norfolk, I can easily say I would've been dead a long time ago if it wasn't for the NHS and CF trust, my doc kept me safe through multiple infections and such.
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User avatar #92 to #1 - LiamNeeson (02/02/2013) [-]
While that's true, they could still make better money elsewhere so they leave. You shouldn't have used Canadian healthcare as an example like everybody does, it really isn't that great. The waiting lists in Canada for anything major are insane, so insane that anything serious untreated that long would kill you. For cancer in the US, 6 months is something to work with to try and make it better before it becomes completely fatal, in Canada, you're on a 12 month waiting list. I'm not saying it's terrible, but it needs a lot of work, maybe as much as the American system needs.

Oh, and Canada makes you pay for a lot of medication and necessary treatments as well. Nearly all mentally ill patients get next to no help, and anything worthwhile they have to pay out of their pocket for.
#22 to #1 - Xepheros (02/02/2013) [-]
Indeed. "free" health care also works insanely well in Sweden. Obviously, it's not free, just free from fees since it's paid using taxes. Thing is, it works so amazingly well over here that we percieve the US system as pretty much dystopic. We scare our children with stories of how it works over there.
User avatar #21 to #1 - sketchE ONLINE (02/02/2013) [-]
im not going to try to be inconsiderate but it may come out so ill apologize in advance. my experience with free health care is **** . im military and have been my whole life so i know what free healthcare is like. my friend had to wait three hours with a broken coller bone to be helped and everyone complained about the screaming child. i emember waiting a good hour too hour and a half with myo/peracharditous (potentialy fatal condition where sack around heart is inflammed) before being shot up with anti inflammitories. all my experiences are that private medical staff are better quality. not only because they have to be good to earn their py they are much more likely to be sued. suing someone payed by the government is a little more daunting to the average person
User avatar #14 to #1 - Yardie (02/02/2013) [-]
And I'm sure there aren't ways to abuse that plan at all.

Also how long do you have to wait to see a doctor again in Canada? Over 2 months for emergency surgery, is that right?

And if Doctors get paid good money, (better or the same) as if it were free market, how do those government provisions help society? Much more money is being sent through medical services which could have been used for other, possibly more important things.

I know Canadians are generally pleased about how their Healthcare system is set up, but ignorance is bliss there in my opinion.
#6 to #1 - divinedrgn (02/02/2013) [-]
lol just so you know once "Obamacare" goes into effect plenty of doctors plan on quiting so ya have fun standing in a line for a few hours for a 10 minute appointment and not getting anything done that needs to be done.
User avatar #9 to #6 - lockstin (02/02/2013) [-]
They will be back once their temper tantrum is done. quitting a very high paying job because its system of payment change, but is still very high paying, is retarded. They are probably just butt-hurt republicans. I know tons of people who said that if Obama-care came into effect they would move out of the country. It passed, did we have a mass drop in population? no.
User avatar #23 to #9 - sketchE ONLINE (02/02/2013) [-]
mabe not mass amount but y those who could afford to leave have left. many people in the US are struggling to get by and those who oppose these kind of things are lower class and too proud to take welfare. which i prefer over those who are too proud to take a lower paying job than they think they deserve with no experience so they just sit on welfare
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User avatar #259 to #145 - sketchE ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
key word. nearly
User avatar #264 to #259 - lockstin (02/03/2013) [-]
The only country in europe not to have some sort of free universal healthcare is Germany, and it has essentially Obama-care on steroids. your only luck would be to go to a 3rd world country. society is progressing, so if people really want it to not progress they are going to have to move somewhere that is far far behind. heck even some 3rd world countries have free healthcare, like Cuba.
User avatar #265 to #264 - sketchE ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
i dont think the government taking from me to help someone else is progress. i think real progress is people wanting to help their fellow man. i disagree with welfare because most of it is fraud and waste. i have no problem helping people who have had things happen to them out of their control. i dont like helping people who have made decisions in their life and are now living with the consequences but feel entitled to free money.

i think most people who say thy will leave the states are more concerned with being taxed outragiously just because theyre rich. a business owner shouldnt have to pay the same percent of taxes as a single male with no dependants living at home. the later isnt even supporting himself so he doesnt exactly need tons of money. the former however isnt only supporting his own family but the families of everyone who works for him. that is why people are planning on leaving the US. i may be wrong but i think there are places in europe that are havens for business owners like that right now
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#65 to #23 - anon (02/02/2013) [-]
Which is hilarious, I'll add, because the states is the only first world country where they could have continued to live the lifestyle that they hold so dear because it's the only first world country that still had a private healthcare system. i'm certain they're having a great time trying to find another place that has a private healthcare system in, say, a third world country.

TL;DR they're ******* stupid and can go live in Africa if they want.
User avatar #5 to #1 - noodlelover (02/02/2013) [-]
Well...Money buys quality.... most Canadians come to America for Cancer treatments, heart surgeries, and transplants...because we have cutting edge technology and extremely motivated surgeons but for a broken arm or something yeah....Canada is great
User avatar #8 to #5 - lockstin (02/02/2013) [-]
that was myth number 5 in the thesis I wrote for college. the only thing that commonly causes Canadians to go to the US is open heart surgery. other then that its pretty balanced. My uncle actually buys Canadian medical equipment and sells it to US doctors for profit. And just because the US manufactures the best medical equipment doesn't mean its the only one to get it. They export it everywhere.
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